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Was muhammad a pedophile

YES HE WAS A PEDO

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No things were different then

Side Score: 116
16 points

According to common practice, islamic laws dictate that female must have her Menzies in order to have sex with her.

HOWEVER, muhammad was the prophet of islam, he could do no wrong as evidenced in the koran, (his testimonies) and the hadiths. (testimonies about him)

He married his 3rd wife at 6, canceling a marriage in place, this was illegal.

At Aysha's house when she was 9, her mother took her from her swing and friends to give her to the prophet and he bedded her later.

NO mention of menzies were made, only Ayshas testimony in hadith that the prophet did so because there was but a single blanket between them.

MUD MAN WAS A PEDO

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Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
4 points

There can be no excuse for the manipulation and or abusing of children full stop.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
1 point

You couldn't have said it better. At the same time, while most of the modern world seen such practices as barbaric and just otherly inhumane, conservative muslims (large number are) don't see anything wrong with that because Mohammed said so....oh, and I don't even want to get into the whole "70 virgins" belief.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
1 point

Thats real disgusting.

I wonder if muslims know about this....

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
1 point

You lie. Aisha was an adult because she reached puberty at nine. It is impossible to be a pedo if you have sex with people after they hit puberty. And they did not marry at six years old you liar.

Side: No things were different then
mumin(214) Disputed
0 points

Just because you copy-pasted some text out of a web page somewhere doesn't mean that it's true. There have always been sick twisted folks who have given their best shot at defaming one of the greatest personalities of all times, who swayed the hearts of all the people around him with no more than an offering of the truth, without dazzling miracles.

The arrangement with Ayesha was not a marriage of consumation. She is rejected by dedicated followers of Islam who pledged their alleigiance with the Prophet's true successors, not the corrupts political caliphs of the time who turned tables against the prophet's family to take power into their own hands.

And Ayesha was the daughter of one of these political caliphs. Her true history is not so readily available, especailly on the internet, but she is considered one of the true villains in Islam, who attempted several times to destroy it.

And because of her, and these political caliphs, the world does not know the true face of Islam without making much effort. Facts have been distored and ignored to suit the whims of the fatwa-making clerics that unfortunately represent the Islamic majority today.

While they have been successful in tarnishing its image and in manufacturing a dynasty of fanatical misled Islamists, they could never completely destory it.

Islam in all its purity exists till today. Unfortunately for you, you probably may never know it.

Side: No things were different then
Rhyolite(31) Disputed
0 points

I will agree that the marriage with A'isha was a political marriage, but Muhammad still took advantage of her at a young age - 9 years old, if I'm right.

If I may say, only someone with a strong Shi'ite background makes comments like yours. You place very high emphasis on the Prophet's family who, according to Shi'ite doctrine, are the true successors to the caliphate. And yes, A'isha was the daughter of Abu Bakr, good friend of the Prophet and first of the "political caliphs". I can only assume that one of her "attempts to destroy" Islam occurred during the Battle of the Camel where Ali ibn Abu Talib, the first Shi'ite imam and cousin of Muhammad, took victory and spared A'isha's life.

Yes, I'm showing off a little, but it makes your inherent bias more apparent. Who's to say that your facts aren't just as distorted as those of the Sunni? No one can really say, but both sides hold the above facts as true, seeing as that they are historical and actually occurred and all. It's all a matter of spin after that.

But I digress again. Having sex with a nine-year-old girl constitutes pedophilia in the modern sense of the word.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
tessader(2) Disputed
-2 points
AtheistAtLrg(35) Disputed
4 points

You dont think so ?????

Care to cite why ?

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
-4 points
7 points

The problem with the "things were different then" defense is that it suggests that mans laws, customs and moralities take priority to Gods will. If Mohammad was indeed man of God, he would be subject to Allah's will, not the sick customs of the time.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
4 points

He slept with a 9 year old. He is technically a pedophile, whether you (whoever) choose to excuse it or not.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
1 point

That 9 year old hit puberty. So he is not a pedo. A pedo is someone who ONLY has sex with children who did not hit puberty.

Side: No things were different then
3 points

"that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old"

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
1 point

They were married at nine. Stop lieing. ....................................................................

Side: No things were different then
3 points

Yes, he had sex with a 9 year old.

To say that things were different then is totally illogical when we are talking about gods morality. Are we saying that gods morality can change now? How is this possible if he is perfect?

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
2 points

At that time people might have thought getting busy with a child was permissible, but we know this practice today as pedophilia.

He was a man over 50, she was only 9. Cultural backwardness or not, we MODERN humans think of this as --pedophilia.

I am sure that all pedo's can't be fit into a neat one-size-fits-all stereotype.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO

Well technically, they believed that a woman is a woman when she hits puberty. Would it make sense for a 16 year old to marry before puberty? Aisha was the daughter of Muhammad's close friend Abu Bakr. She was initially betrothed to Jubayr ibn Mut'im, a Muslim whose father, though pagan, was friendly to the Muslims. When Khawlah bint Hakim suggested that Muhammad marry Aisha after the death of Muhammad's first wife (Khadija), the previous agreement regarding marriage of Aisha with ibn Mut'im was put aside by common consent.. Aisha was six or seven years old when betrothed to Muhammad. Traditional sources state that she stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine when the marriage was consummated with Muhammad, then 53, in Medina,with the single exception of al-Tabari, who records that she was ten. Some modern Islamic writers have disagreed with these sources.Both Aisha and Sawda, his two wives, were given apartments adjoined to the Al-Masjid al-Nabawi mosque. I confess I copy pasted don't down vote.

Side: No things were different then
2 points

The definition of "pedophilia" is harshly challenged, and the definition provided by the DSM-IV is considered null, backed by very little evidence, and purely political (see Green, 2002; Moser & Kleinplatz, 2003; Spitzer, 2005). If we are to define pedophilia solely as one's internal sexual desires, we have absolutely no way of testing this since no empirical evidence about Mohammad's sexual orientation (pedophilia or lack thereof) exists.

Therefore we have only the "prophet's" actions to go by. And if we are to consider his rape of a nubile, defenseless child: Yes, Mohammad was a pedophile. Even though he had other wives, this does not somehow outweigh these obviously pedophilic acts (if we go are defining "pedophilia" on one's actions, the only empirical evidence afforded to us in this situation). We are forced to choose one or the other in this scenario, pedophile or not, and defining him as a "pedophile" is the most intellectually honest choice in the situation.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
1 point

The definition of a pedophilia does not match the actions of Muhammad.

Side: No things were different then
2 points

We have NOW, in 2008, some 40 000 "active-religions" on Earth. Some of them "very old", the original "ancestor-religion" having a lot of "daughter-religions". Around the same amount of 40 000 religions "died" through humanity history.

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I have studied DEEPLY some 400 "active-religions" in 30 years.

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The invention of a religion is quite always the same : the delirium of the inventor, that he transmits to his "believers". The delirium is quite simple: there is a god, and the inventor is the only person (very humble modest suffering person) that is/was in contact with god.

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The inventor, so elected by god, as a very difficult task (given by god of course...) : to guide humanity to the "laws" invented... by the inventor.

The inventor being "just a human", he convinces only some people around (the believers), and not the whole humanity (where other inventors and believers are at work).

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The task of the believers is simple:

- create other believers

- add more brain to the invention

- mainly, mainly, increase the "godness level" of the inventor; because if (shitt...) the inventor is seen as a fool/idiot/criminal/liar, all this religion and believers are are... the same.

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It may be said that the nazism is the religion invented by Hitler.

It may be said that the islam is the religion invented by muhamamad

It may be said that the christianism is the religion invented by PAUL.

etc.

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As the inventor (and believers) are in reality simple limited humans, it is very easy to laugh/criticise the "invention". The inventor and believers invent rather fast the mystery/anathema/excomunication/sin tool to kill (by words or by sword, bullet...) the so called... unbelievers.

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In humanity the TWO "religious books" that teach to the believers that they must deeply hate unbelievers are "Mein Kampf", ant the "Kuran".

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When studying DEEPLY the real biography of the muhammad guy, it is evident that he belongs to the most criminal inventors... Absolutely no respect of life, delirium a high level, superiority complex, etc. etc.

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Criminals have a way to see reality rather differently : what they do IS NOT A CRIME, it is the only correct behaviour.

Unbelievers/police/judges do not understand the criminal, who (see Hitler) has the "mission" to fulfil his mission.

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And, as his power increases, in his brain, the word "crime" does not apply to him.

Muhammad's biography is the highest example of a criminal "religion inventor".

He was (as Hitler) above anybody, above any law, just following the "law of god" dictated by his own brain.

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It was for him easy to impress any children; mainly children whose parents where believers. To be "near the prophet" was an honour. To be in his bed... a blessing.

As Hitler, the muhammad guy showed permanently that the only think he respected... was himself, and his invention.

So for him, to fuck children was as normal as drinking water.

His profile is the one of the criminal pedophiles we see.

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He was a pedophile...

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And in a lot of regions where the charia is applied, women and children are merely tools/toys. Just totally respecting.. the religion...

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
2 points

I've not read enough as I'd like about the history of Islam/Muhammed but I enjoyed your encapsulation. thanks.

Side: No things were different then
1 point

I am sure he was... Muslims can do whatever to justify it.. but Mohd. was the most barbarian pedo ever born... His followers are the most dangerous people on this earth.. a danger for all civilizations... Stop them or get killed...

Islam is the only religion in the world that was build on the foundation of hatred and hate is a way of life for muslims... Please see this video on you tube and get enlightened...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781

Side: He was a pedophile among other things
1 point

Idiot....A pedo has sex with pre pubecent children ONLY. Aisha hit puberty and was considered to be a women and mature enough to make her decision. And Muhammad had older wives. NOTHING he did matches the definition of a pedo.

Side: No things were different then
2 points

If Muhammad took his THIRD wife, who was only 6 and bedded with her that night what does that make him, A PEDOPHILE. And no where in his book states that this is wrong because HE wrote about how his life. Making it seem like it was not a bad thing to bone a 6 year old. what a sick fuck

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
AtheistAtLrg(35) Disputed
2 points

Actually there is reference to this being a wrongful act.

Playing with dolls is for children, before menzies and there are passages that suggest you're not supposed to have sex with them.

Ayshas testimony says she had a doll in hand when her mother got her from her swing to present her to the prophet.

So this explicity says that she didnt have her menzies and the consumation shouldnt have taken place. This adds even more to the crime of which muhammad did.

Side: islam pedophile muhammad lies koran
1 point

She was 9 you liar. And he would be a pedo if she did not hit puberty, but she did.

Side: No things were different then
1 point

Yes. There's not much to this, he had sex with a 9 year old. That makes him a pedophile.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
1 point

Yes. It certainly was more common to go for women younger at this time period. But there are certain things taken to an extreme, if you are taking a prepubescent girl for your wife, you are a pedo.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
1 point

The problem with your argument is..... Aisha was not pre pubescent.

Side: No things were different then
1 point

I just read a series of apologetics articles about Mohamed. Something I've always find quite evident about Islam strike me while I was reading. We know very little about the culture in which Mohamed was living. Saying it was a common practise for a mature man to marry a young girl is very presumptuous. I am more incline to think that most human society do abide to natural taboos - that make incest and paedophilia outrageous and deviant. An immature girl is much more likely to die in labour as her body is not ready to deliver a baby, making this a very unproductive marriage. Unless there are serious historical or archaeological data in favour of a pre-islamic culture that made paedophilia a normative behaviour, I would tend to believe that Mohamed behaved more or less like a cult leader. He might have adopted unnatural behaviour to increase/maintain his stature and power toward his community. More important is how modern Muslims interpret this behaviour. Do they reject it as immoral in a modern society that has shown evidences of psychological and physical trauma linked to an underage girl being forced into sexual intercourse or do they abide to the example of their prophet as part of his perfection that should not be dismissed - in fear of dismissing Islam as a whole. The point with Islam nowadays always come down to this: how modern do Muslim want to be? Other religions are more coherent about this issue though they all go through a strong resistance from their radical wing.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
1 point

Yes he was! Just look that the religion he founded! One guy can have like 5 wives! And they aren't allowed to show their faces too! Because he was too insecure to see their faces. That's why!

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
1 point

Fool, Burka is not Islamic whatsoever, a man can have 4 wives you fool. Also, Aisha was pre pubecent. Polygamy has nothing to do with pedophilia. And the koran says to look at women graciously and if you cannot treat two wives equally and fairly, then marry only one.

Side: No things were different then
1 point

The girl was 8.5 year old and was practically raped and couldn't have children afterwards because of the damage. Mohammad had twenty women in his harem but preferred the child and the other women used to comment they weren't getting too much attention.

It is wrong to say the things were different than because before islam women had equal rights and some even had male harems even if many will deny this. Islam was enforced by sword and it is no wonder arabs and other islamic pople converted forcibly, once very advanced in algebra and philosophy never made any scientific advances.

After islam, male harems and slavery also spread and it began with mohammad and passed as a legacy to latter caliphs and ottoman sultans too.

Side: He was a pedophile among other things
1 point

The simple answer is YES, Muhammad was a pedophile. As Khomeini states in his book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990: "A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby." The muslims can live a lie if they so choose, but the facts are the facts.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
1 point

That is not true. You can marry when you hit puberty. You the liar and hypocrite.

Side: No things were different then

Yeah, and he was probably also into sheep and camels. No pun intended ;)

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
0 points

yes he was a pedo

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
1 point

Give your arguments .

Side: No things were different then
0 points

I've seen a lot of people say that things were different back then however, 9 yrs old was still 9 yrs old back then, at the very least you could go by the hebrew definition of being at age which is 13 yrs old and even by that standard 9 is still wrong.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
1 point

She hit puberty, therefore he was not a pedophile .

Side: No things were different then
Correction(1) Disputed
1 point

It doesn't matter whether she reached puberty or not!!! Her AGE REMAINS THE SAME!! She's barely double digits when a man over 50 has sex with a small, vulnerable CHILD!!

To say that she is a mature young women at the age of 9 is an absolute joke!!

Please stop making excuses for what happened..

Can you imagine what it would've been like- having sex as a 9 year old little girl that still plays with dolls?! I imagine she would've been screaming with pain, with Muhammad holding her down.

I can't help but picture a horrific rape scene

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
3 points

Mohammad (pbuh) lived in a time when people were more divided into small groups; tribal allegiances were incredibly important, and marriage was a way of cementing that. A ceremony involving two groups, followed by a symbolic joining of the two would speed diplomacy and prevent immediate hostilities. Mohammed's marriages were mostly planned to help him spread Islam; his first marriage was one of love, and he had no other wives until Khadijah's death. I could rant a bit more, but I'll sum up why I feel the answer here is a "no": The 'Mohammad was a paedophile" argument is most often wielded by those who wish to discredit Islam in order to further their own religion's standing, and is only taken at face value in communities where any attack on a foreign religion would succeed no matter what. I'm not for any religion, but this argument is one I see as a bit of a low blow. If you wish to discredit a person's beliefs, examine their personal beliefs; taking the actions of a past member, no matter how important, and attacking them out of context is not sound and shows desperation and an inability to find weaknesses in the individual's convictions.

Side: No things were different then
prplmnky(1) Disputed
1 point

No one is trying to discredit Islam. You are obviously trying to side track the discussion of whether or not he was pedophile, by introducing emotional sentiment that has nothing to do with the topic in discussion. He had sex with children, therefore he was a pedophile.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
1 point

Bullshit! Mahamad was NOT pedofile. He was not even a man. He was like Michael Jackson, whose mental development stopped at 6. So both of them: Mohamad and Michael always wanted to get to bad with boys and girls and with toys. I would look at it from a medical point of view, which is the same regardless of religion.

Side: No things were different then
1 point

I totally agree with you - your islamic profit lived in different times. times when his cock got marured aroung 11 years old. And girls got there hair around 9. That's the profet waited till 9. But if we ever find out that pfofet had intercouse or fantacyes about 6 year old before she got her hair for the purspose of spreading islam. Than by all means of current medical definitions - mohammad was a pedofile. Than Mohammad was a pedofile for the purpose of spreading islam. Not even that he would become a homosexual too for the purpose of spreading islam.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
2 points

Muhammad(PBUH) lived in a totally different time. Children matured early (by 6 or 7, they were fully grown women). The little girls wanted to be women and the men of the time new exactly how to make their wishes come true.

Side: No things were different then

Also it was not Muhammed (PBUH) who wanted to marry Aisha.

Side: No things were different then
2 points

Taking all the various pieces of evidence into consideration, the conclusion of the investigation is that the nikah of Aishah (May Allah Be Pleased with Her) to the Prophet SAAW took place when she was around 16-17 years old, and not 6; and her marriage was solemnized when she was 19 and not 9. The Prophet died when she was 28, not 18; and she became one of the leading scholars and teachers of Islam, giving aid and advice to the subsequent Caliphs.

She lived in widowhood some 40 years, and died in 50 AH/672 CE at the age of 67.

Abu Bakr May Allah Be Pleased with Him, married two women in the pre-Islamic era, who gave birth to four children. Abdullah and Asma were by Qatilah, while Abdur Rahman and Aishah were by Umm Ruman bint Amir. All these children were born before the advent of Islam’.

The Prophet SAAW was singularly used to a marital relationship with Khadija May Allah Be Pleased With Her, an older woman – since his sole partner for some twenty-five years was at least fifteen years older than himself. The Prophet did not remarry until he was over fifty, and when he was fifty his beloved Khadijah was sixty-five!.

# The Prophet married Aisha primarily for three reasons:

# To reinforce the friendly relations already existing with Abu Bakr (his closest companion).

# To educate and train Aisha so she may serve the purposes of Islam.

# To teach her to utilize her capabilities for the sake of Islam.

# Her Marriage with the prophet was a Wahi (Divine Revelation). She, herself relates from the Prophet, ‘He said, “I saw you in dreams three times. The angel brought you to me and you were clad in white silk. He (the angel) said that it was your consort and he (angel) showed me by opening your face. You are just like that…” Sahih Muslim, Vol.2, p.285.

# Aisha ® was born after her parents had embraced Islam. Therefore, she was free from the defilement of polytheism right from her birth.

# In her youth, already known for her striking beauty and her formidable memory, she came under the loving care and attention of the Prophet himself. As his wife and close companion she acquired from him knowledge and insight such as no woman has ever acquired.

Aishah lived on almost fifty years after the passing away of the Prophet. She had been his wife for a decade. Much of this time was spent in learning and acquiring knowledge of the two most important sources of God’s guidance, the Quran and the Sunnah of His Prophet. Aishah ® was one of the three wives (the other two being Hafsa ® and Umm Salamah ®) who memorized the Revelation. Like Hafsa ®, she had her own script of the Quran written after the Prophet had died.

# So far as the Hadith or sayings of the Prophet is concerned, Aishah ® is one of four persons (the others being Abu Hurrah, Abdullah ibn Umar, and Ana ibn Malik) who transmitted more than two thousand sayings. From her, 2210 Hadith have come, out of which 174 Hadith are commonly agreed upon by both Bukhari and Muslim. Many of her transmissions pertain to some of the most intimate aspects of personal behavior which only someone in Aishah’s position could have learnt. What is most important is that her knowledge of Hadith was passed on in written form by at least three persons including her nephew Urwah who became one of the greatest scholars among the generation after the Companions. It is the claim of the Scholars of Islam that without her, half of the Ilm-I-Hadith [knowledge, understanding of the Hadith (and Islam)] would have perished.

# Many of the learned companions of the Prophet and their followers benefited from Aishah’s knowledge. Abu Musa al-Ashari once said: “If we companions of the Messenger of God had any difficulty on a matter, we asked Aisha about it.”

“Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Abu Musa al-Ashari came to Aishah, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and said to her, “The disagreement of the companions in a matter which I hate to bring before you has distressed me.” She said, “What is that? You did not ask your mother about it, so ask me.” He said, “A man penetrates his wife, but becomes listless and does not ejaculate. “She said, “When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part ghusl is obligatory.” Abu Musa added, “I shall never ask anyone about this after you.” Al-Muwatta of Imam Malik Hadith 2.75

Arwa Bin Zubair says, “I did not find anyone more proficient (than Aisha ®) in the knowledge of the Holy Quran, the Commandments of Halal (lawful) and Haram (prohibited), Ilmul-Ansab and Arabic poetry. That is why, even senior companions of the Prophet used to consult Aisha ® in resolving intricate issued“.Jala-ul-Afham by Ibn Qaiyem and Ibn Sa’ad, Vol.2, p.26

Abu Musa al-Ashari says: “Never had we (the companions) had any difficulty for the solution of which we approached Aisha and did not get some useful information from her“.Sirat-I-Aisha, on the authority of Trimidhi, pg. 163

# As a teacher she had a clear and persuasive manner of speech and her power of oratory has been described in superlative terms by al-Ahnaf who said: “I have heard speeches of Abu Bakr and Umar, Uthman and Ali and the Khulafa up to this day, but I have not heard speech more persuasive and more beautiful from the mouth of any person than from the mouth of Aishah.”

The Prophet said, “The superiority of ‘Aisha to other ladies is like the superiority of Tharid (i.e. meat and bread dish) to other meals. Many men reached the level of perfection, but no woman reached such a level except Mary, the daughter of Imran and Asia, the wife of Pharaoh.” Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith, Narrated by Abu Musa Al Ashari Hadith 4.643

Musa Ibn Talha ® says, “I did not see anyone more eloquent than Aisha ®” Mustadrak of Hakim, Vol.4,p.11

# Men and women came from far and wide to benefit from her knowledge.

Aisha’s great interest in the study of the Qur’an is understandable. She was an eye-witness to a number of revelations and had therefore a clear idea of the circumstances in which they were revealed. It was on her bed alone (and no other consort’s) that the Prophet received Wahi (Divine Revelations) several times. This helped her in interpreting the verses.

# At the time of the Prophet’s death, the Prophet’s head was on her lap. It was in her quarters that the Prophet was buried.

The life of Aishah (R) is a proof that a woman can be far more learned than men and that she can be the teacher of scholars and experts. Her life is also a proof that a woman can exert influence over men and women and provide them with inspiration and leadership. Aisha (R) is a continuing inspiration and role model to today’s youth who are diligently searching for an example amongst the pop stars, movie actresses and sports stars. May the memory of her’s live forever in the heart of the Muslim Ummah and may Allah grant her the highest abode in Paradise…Aameen.

“I have studied him – the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.” George Bernard Shaw, THE GENUINE ISLAM, Vol. 1, No. 81936.

“It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher.”

Annie Besant, THE LIFE AND TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD, Madras, 1932, p. 4.

Through the centuries, Kuffar have advance numerous accusations and far-fetched theories to discredit Islam and its last Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him). Praise be to Allah alone, all such accusations have been successfully refuted by the Muslim Ummah. Currently, one of the ‘reinvented’ accusations against the noble character of the Prophet is about his marriage to young Aisha Siddiqa ®. Which although we have clarified, but they are just committing kufr cos they are kafir by nature.

when you don’t know anything , you should refrain from making any kind of comments.You are nothing but, a cheap copy of the misguided souls, a bit more common in the western countries and, whatever you are saying appears to be nothing but, an effort to look like them.The only thing that people like you, have learned from the west, is the excessive use of foul language and, you feel more’western’ by being more foul-mouthed.I don’t think any muslim, should even bother to reply to anymore, since you have no knowledge and, it’s unfortunate that you don’t even want to know anything. Simply put, you’re too sub-standard and therefore, from now on, should not even be found worth replying to!

Side: No things were different then
2 points

Sex at Three Years and One Day

In contrast to Simeon ben Yohai's dictum that sex with a little girl is permitted under the age of three years, the general teaching of the Talmud is that the rabbi must wait until a day after her third birthday. She could be taken in marriage simply by the act of rape.

R. Joseph said: Come and hear! A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition and if her deceased husband’s brother cohabits with her, she becomes his. (Sanh. 55b)

A girl who is three years of age and one day may be betrothed by cohabitation. . . .(Yeb. 57b)

A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband’s brother cohabited with her she becomes his. (Sanh. 69a, 69b, also discussed in Yeb. 60b)

It was taught: R. Simeon b. Yohai stated: A proselyte who is under the age of three years and one day is permitted to marry a priest, for it is said, But all the women children that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves, and Phineas (who was priest, the footnote says) surely was with them. (Yeb. 60b)

[The Talmud says such three year and a day old girls are] . . . fit for cohabitation. . . But all women children, that have not known man by lying with him, it must be concluded that Scripture speaks of one who is fit for cohabitation. (Footnote to Yeb. 60b)

So as we can see this hadith is probably part of the Judaic influence in Islam.

So no, Muhammad was not a pedophile since the Quran says otherwise. Hadiths have the same place in Islam as Talmud has on Judaism and many hadiths were fabricated by the enemies of Muhammad long after he was dead.

Real Islam is only Quran!

Side: Its just a hadith and not Quran
2 points

Can We Consider His Marriage to `A’ishah a Case of Child Molestation?

To answer your speculation, let’s continue our objective trip into the past. Obviously, when traveling back in time 1400 years to examine a lifestyle we never witnessed, it is unfair to apply our present day standards, so let’s listen to the experts. Authentic historical records prove that the social traditions of the time and place—regardless of religion—considered Arab females as women as soon as their menstrual cycles began. The custom was to give daughters in marriage at that age. This was practiced by all dwellers in Arabia before Islam: pagans, disbelievers, Jews, and others. It’s a fact that female menstruation in hot climates starts much earlier than in cold climates, so females in Arabia matured as early as 8 or 9; they also aged earlier than other women.

It’s a neglected fact that before she was married to Muhammad, `A’ishah had been engaged to an infidel, Jubair ibn Mus’ab ibn Ady. Her fiancé broke the engagement on the basis of religious difference. So her father, Abu Bakr, agreed to give her hand in marriage to the Prophet.

http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1123996016508&pagename;=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE

Side: No things were different then
2 points

Atleast the prophet had the decency to get married and not raped her or have babies before marriage or left he's wives to raise he's kids alone like many men out there.This is disgusting human beings.I concider that even worse.Use the prophet as an example in your lives then you will see how your life will change.you will be so much happier in this world.First look at yourself before criticising others.Following the Prophet made me a person that so many people respect me for the type of person I am.Not many people can say the same thing.

Side: No things were different then
2 points

You can also wonder why Mohammed married his mother, so he was incestuous.

While all these strange things happen; people easily don't want it anymore. you can keep on listening and you wonder and keep on wondering what you really can learn from the Moslims.

Side: No things were different then
2 points

Mogammad (S.A.W) had no servants, yet they called Him Master. Had no

degree, yet they called Him Teacher. Had no medicines, yet they called

Him Healer. He had no army, yet kings feared Him. He won no military

battles, yet His message conquers the world. He committed no crime, yet

they labelled Him. He was buried in a grave, yet He lives in our hearts

today. I feel honored to serve such a Leader who loves us!

Side: No things were different then
2 points

Nope..Muhammad wasn't a pedophile. Pls refer to this website.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage.

It was practiced long before a law of marrying young girl below 18 years was made. Even Jews practiced it before. Conclusion...Muhammad wasn't a Pedophile...by the way..Muslim never accused Jesus anything because Muslim believe he was a prophet of god. But try to refer to this websites...

http://www.skeptically.org/newtestament/ id5.html

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/gayjesus.html

http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/dailyloaf/2009/08/10/jesus-gay-im-not-kidding/

Seems that Christians (not Muslim) now are going to make Jesus a Gay after step by step raising Jesus from a Prophet to Son of God then God Himself and now A Gay.

Shouldn't he be respected as he supposed to be and not creating anything that someone think he should be? That's the problems when no action taken to those who speak as they like and soon it will be a true though..same as the Gospel decided to make Jesus Son of God and God.

And try to think of this......

If Jesus is the son of God then Christians should also believe:

David is the begotten Son of God. (Psalms 2:7)

Jacob is God's firstborn son. (Exodus 4:22)

Ephraim is God's firstborn son. (Jeremiah 31:9) [how many firstborns?]

Solomon is God's son (2 Samuel 7:13-14)

Adam is the son of God. (Luke 3:38)

All the people who are righteous are sons of God. (Mathew 5:9) and (Deuteronomy 14:1)

So can we agree to say that David, Jacob, Ephraim, Solomon and Adam and all the people who are righteous was Son of God or God in the flesh also?

Side: No things were different then
1 point

No. The word pedophile wasn't coined until the 1800's, Muhammad was alive in the 500-600's. So technically he wasn't a pedophile, just a man who had sex with children, which back then wasn't as frowned upon as it is now.

(Keep in mind this argument isn't totally serious, he is a pedophile for our time)

Side: No things were different then
1 point

Was Maria artificially impregnated?? I mean come on how else could a virgin have a child. That angel from Bible must have been a messenger from the future that performed the operation.

Ye keep judging religious texts literally and based on modern morale and stuff.

That makes a lot of sense.

Side: No things were different then
AtheistAtLrg(35) Disputed
2 points

Mary could have gotten pregnant in a couple of ways and still have been a virgin.

No god thing needed.

However what is more believable is that she was knocked up before marriage and that the whole thing was covered up with the BS of this god thing making her pregnant so she wouldnt be STONED TO DEATH.

Stop by the DEBATE FAITH rooms for more if you like.

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Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
1 point

And once again.

Faith - is not the best thing to debate on.

It is a question of Faith. You either believe - and this means that debating over if there is God meaningless.

Or you don't believe and then again how do you discuss something you believe does not even exist?

There was a nice anecdote in soviet russia.

A lesson of atheism (there was a course of it in soviet schools and universities) takes part.

The teacher asks children to show a rude gesture towards the sky to God.

And one of them asks

- Teacher why do we have to do this. If the God doesnot exist whom are we making gestures for. And if he does - why do we try to fuck with him.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
1 point

Curse the person whom created this debate, and those whom [email protected][email protected][email protected]#%$^$%&^%&^

Side: No things were different then
1 point

To the followers of the prophet we have something to be proud of that came from a christian guy that ranked the prophet MUGAMMAD, No. 1

from the 100, a Ranking of the Most Influential

Persons in History, by Michael H. Hart and Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.Ahmed Deedad made a pope muslim.If the prophet was such a bad person as the modern people make him out to be then why do we have so many people becoming muslim?

Side: No things were different then

Aisha hit puberty. .

Side: No things were different then

People who hit puberty were not considered as children. .

Side: No things were different then

A pedo has sex with PRE PUBESCENT CHILDREN. Aisha was not pre pubescent.

Side: No things were different then
1 point

I am not going to support "No things were different then" because that also implies that Mohammed had sex with a 9 year old girl. But did he? Where is the proof? The only "proof" is that Aisha alledged to have claimed this herself, years later. So maybe it is true. In other words, Aisha did claim to have sex at 9, and whoever wrote it down (years after the fact) wrote it down accurately. However, we can never know. Because the only "proof" we have that Aisha had sex as a 9 year old are not from the Quran, but from a few Hadiths - which were orated by Aisha, but were only properly recorded in writing decades after her death. Perhaps it was even an exaggeration. Imagine for a moment you are centuries back in time, and there is no stigma about having sex as a 9 year old. Imagine Aisha, or some over-zealous unpolitically correct scribe, thought it would give Aisha even more cred to claim that she had been so perfect a female, that she had been mature enough for Mohammed at only 9 years old! Who knows? Furthermore, throughout history, certain Islamic scholars have thrown doubt on the claim that Mohammed could possibly have had sex with her at 9. They have argued, quite convincingly, that it was impossible, because it didn't fit with the chronological order of reported events - as she and her family where far from the region during the time she would have been 6-9. Many argue that the true age would have been closer to 15. Others estimate anywhere between 12-18. For those who want to investigate this, there are plenty of websites where this is discussed. A quick google provided this for example: http://www.discoveringislam.org/aisha_age.htm

There is also another possiblility. In the Arabic language at that time, it was common to report the unit and not the ten if it was understood what the 'ten' would be. For example, if Aisha said 16, it could have been written as 6, as it would be understood by the context that 16 was the amount. This is like the way we say back in '62, instead of 1962. We understand from context which century we are talking about, no need to give it in full.

So, my 'conclusion' is that we really don't know if he had sex with a minor or not, and therefore we cannot actually claim with any certainty that 'Mohammad was a pedo.'

Side: No things were different then
-2 points
secularopini(15) Disputed
9 points

I would say the fact that he married her is strong evidence he was attracted to little girls.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
8 points

Don't forget that he married her at 6 and consummated the marriage at 9

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
1 point

idiot Aisha hit puberty. People who hit puberty were considered grown-ups and a pedo can ONLY have sex with pre pubescent children.

Side: No things were different then
1 point

Aisha hit puberty. People who hit puberty were considered grown-ups and a pedo can ONLY have sex with pre pubescent children.

Side: No things were different then
-4 points
-6 points
secularopini(15) Disputed
8 points

The problem with the "things were different then" defense is that it suggests that mans laws, customs and moralities take priority to Gods will. If Mohammad was indeed man of God, he would be subject to Allah's will, not the sick customs of the time.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
1 point

NO, thongs were different because they hit puberty at a younger age. When they hit puberty, they are officially women.

Side: No things were different then
ModusPonem(40) Disputed
8 points

So are you saying that Muhammad was a pedophile? Instead of saying no you compared him to someone else who married a girl very young.

Just because everybody else was doing it doesn't make it right.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
secularopini(15) Disputed
7 points

As far as Isaac and Rebeka, yes, he would also be a pedophile.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
6 points

He wasn't applying moral norms. He was applying the term pedophile, which isn't subjective.

Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
-8 points
AtheistAtLrg(35) Disputed
8 points

The facts are taken from the koran and hadiths, not from Daniel Pearl.

Islamic sources were used to come to the logical conclusions that have been represented.

However you seem to be taking an emotional slant to this, your religion is shown to be wanting, wanting of morality and you cringe.

Appeal to popularity is a fallacy, appeal to a god is pathetic.

We learn of islam through the deeds of islamics, one has already threatened the life of a poster, good job religion of piece ...

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Side: YES HE WAS A PEDO
Simple(6) Disputed
1 point

Please give me some sources.

Side: No things were different then
mumin(214) Disputed
-1 points

Really? Do you understand Arabic, then? Or have you lived in the time of the Prophet and seen this for yourself? You 'sources' are crap. I'm not being emotional, I'm trying my best to coldly explain something. Here's a great analogy: If someone (a polularly known 'source' of information) said your mother was a whore, would you believe him/ her? Please, I'm not insulting your mother (since you're not really insulting the prohet either), and neither do I ever really intend to punch you in the face.

Side: No things were different then