According to common practice, islamic laws dictate that female must have her Menzies in order to have sex with her. HOWEVER, muhammad was the prophet of islam, he could do no wrong as evidenced in the koran, (his testimonies) and the hadiths. (testimonies about him) He married his 3rd wife at 6, canceling a marriage in place, this was illegal. At Aysha's house when she was 9, her mother took her from her swing and friends to give her to the prophet and he bedded her later. NO mention of menzies were made, only Ayshas testimony in hadith that the prophet did so because there was but a single blanket between them. MUD MAN WAS A PEDO DEBATE FAITH 24/7
There can be no excuse for the manipulation and or abusing of children full stop.
Just because you copy-pasted some text out of a web page somewhere doesn't mean that it's true. There have always been sick twisted folks who have given their best shot at defaming one of the greatest personalities of all times, who swayed the hearts of all the people around him with no more than an offering of the truth, without dazzling miracles. The arrangement with Ayesha was not a marriage of consumation. She is rejected by dedicated followers of Islam who pledged their alleigiance with the Prophet's true successors, not the corrupts political caliphs of the time who turned tables against the prophet's family to take power into their own hands. And Ayesha was the daughter of one of these political caliphs. Her true history is not so readily available, especailly on the internet, but she is considered one of the true villains in Islam, who attempted several times to destroy it. And because of her, and these political caliphs, the world does not know the true face of Islam without making much effort. Facts have been distored and ignored to suit the whims of the fatwa-making clerics that unfortunately represent the Islamic majority today. While they have been successful in tarnishing its image and in manufacturing a dynasty of fanatical misled Islamists, they could never completely destory it. Islam in all its purity exists till today. Unfortunately for you, you probably may never know it.
I will agree that the marriage with A'isha was a political marriage, but Muhammad still took advantage of her at a young age - 9 years old, if I'm right. If I may say, only someone with a strong Shi'ite background makes comments like yours. You place very high emphasis on the Prophet's family who, according to Shi'ite doctrine, are the true successors to the caliphate. And yes, A'isha was the daughter of Abu Bakr, good friend of the Prophet and first of the "political caliphs". I can only assume that one of her "attempts to destroy" Islam occurred during the Battle of the Camel where Ali ibn Abu Talib, the first Shi'ite imam and cousin of Muhammad, took victory and spared A'isha's life. Yes, I'm showing off a little, but it makes your inherent bias more apparent. Who's to say that your facts aren't just as distorted as those of the Sunni? No one can really say, but both sides hold the above facts as true, seeing as that they are historical and actually occurred and all. It's all a matter of spin after that. But I digress again. Having sex with a nine-year-old girl constitutes pedophilia in the modern sense of the word.
You dont think so ????? Care to cite why ?
lol a sock account ? When you make sock accounts you're not supposed to make them obvious lol
The problem with the "things were different then" defense is that it suggests that mans laws, customs and moralities take priority to Gods will. If Mohammad was indeed man of God, he would be subject to Allah's will, not the sick customs of the time.
It doesn't matter on your view of right or wrong, the technical definition of pedophilia is fucking children.
No, that's not the definition of pedophilia. "Ped" means "child" in English, and "phil" means "love". Does Anglophile mean "England-fucker" ? Does philosopher mean "wisdom-fucker"? If you're going to be "technical", you should probably at least get it right.
you know the point i was trying to make, don't try and spin the topic.
"Pedophilia or paedophilia is the sexual preference of an adult for prepubescent children, or, according to the DSM, a form of paraphilia in which a person either has acted on intense sexual urges towards children, or has sexual urges towards and fantasies about children that cause distress or interpersonal difficulty. A person with this attraction is called a pedophile or paedophile." Muhammed had sex with a greater number of women then prepubescent girls, so his preference was not for the latter.
You quite clearly read no further than the first paragraph of the link you cited. In fact, the wiki link actually gets in to the Krafft-Ebbing categorization which outlines the 3 proper types of pedophilia, each of which have quite different definitions. These 3 "types" are A) Preferential, which is the "classic" laymen definition of pedophilia. B) Surrogate, which in short could be summed up as "taking what you can get." Of course its not quite as simple, but its generally a form of "settling" for a girl who is of the "proper" age of pedophilia desires. Finally, C) is Sadistic, which is of course fairly self explanatory. Basically about power and control and such more than sexual attraction. But again, to be clear thats simple in the interest of time (or more accurately, space). So we get to your claim. A man, Muhammed in this case, had sex with as you say women both of what we might think of as "proper" age, and also young girls of what we would consider not. This fits definition A fairly well. Definition A pedophiles often live "normal" lives with proper aged girlfriends, boyfriends, husbands, or wives. However, an outside observer would have no right or ability to properly claim which of these aspects of his or her sexuality was indeed their "preference." In fact quite the opposite of what you suggest, it is usually found after some study that someone who has relationships with both of age and not of age individuals usually has a "preference" for the latter. But i digress. Number of sexual encounters is of little evidence either way. There is no correlation to be drawn there. It matters not which "way" is more common for the individual in question. This is not the way which you diagnose such a "disorder." Finally, my purpose for defining more properly. Even barring what we might in this context call "Type A Pedophilia," the argument you have put forth says nothing against "surrogate pedophilia" where an adult will have relations with a child in abstentia of a more proper mate. This has NOTHING to do with actual "preference" as it is most commonly considered, however it is still very much legitimately referred to as "pedophilia." I know i have run on, i hope i have shed some light on the faultiness of the logic you have employed :]
Does it say somewhere in there that every one of Muhammeds sexual indiscretions are in the book? I'm sure they only pointed out his sexual acts that were suppose to have some kind of meaning.
He slept with a 9 year old. He is technically a pedophile, whether you (whoever) choose to excuse it or not.
"that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old"
Yes, he had sex with a 9 year old. To say that things were different then is totally illogical when we are talking about gods morality. Are we saying that gods morality can change now? How is this possible if he is perfect?
He like to fuck kids both in real life and probably in his day dreams. That's a pedophile alright. CreateDebate's owners should be fearing for their life right about now.
Yeah, you'd be one to know wouldn't you... may be you're the one who should be fearing for your life, and I don't mean because of some fatwa.
here come the muzzie attacks lol, the religion of piece speaks so loudly dont it ... The thing is, in the US, you might meet with death yourself, we know how and have the means to protect ourselves. Leave it to a muzzie to show all what the koran and islam is all about, hatred, violence, bloodshed.
:P you're misconstrued perceptions says a lot about what you feel about muzzies. You don't like 'em. I don't like you 'cos good guy you ain't. (Not necessarily cos you hate muzzies - I don't like the blow up types myself). You're right: the Koran and Islam is all about hatred, violence, bloodshed - that only Islam can overcome. Islam is a religion of peace and truth, which is the bane of the evil hordes that try so desperately to shroud it. If you really wanted the truth, you would find the answers in history. But what you want is quite different.
Once again you bring a failed argument ... I have read some of the koran, hadith, and have met muslims in RL and on the internet. The internet is where you find the truths about islamics, all too many are extreme in their rhetoric and are eager to spout threatening remarks and hateful things toward men and women. I never said I didnt like you, its obvious I dont like the islamic religion. You come right out and say you dont like me, once again, the religion of piece taught you this, right ... Oh and you really know who I am. FAIL The shrouding of islam is not the covering up of any peaceful natures, quite the opposite. Narrations and huge volumes of text have been destroyed about the so called prophet. His murderous campaigns have been slanted, distorted, or completely erased to try and preserve some assemblage of modesty to the religion. I seem to have the history of islam, however you seem to pick and choose what you want to believe vs the truth of the matter.
And just why exactly should he be fearing for his life?
O, sorry, you all thought mr. muzzie was making a death threat. Btw, I'm not muzzie, not exactly. I do believe in Allah tho, and I do believe you all should fear HIM, 'cos Muhammed was his messenger, and you're being quite impolite (to put it mildly) with your opinions. (If I have something against the pope, I won't expect Christians to appreciate it when I get cheeky. They'll all tell me the same thing: that you're goin down boy). Anyway, big deal, I guess you all can celebrate that you're all going to hell, have fun. Just in: a reliable new historical fact says that your great granddaddy was a monkey (old news for y'all Darwinians)
O and before you get your creative juices fired up again, please allow me to explain that when I said "may be you're the one who should be fearing for your life, and I don't mean because of some fatwa", I didn't mean that I'm gonna punch you (or blow you up for that matter). I just meant maybe you'd like to take it easy, just in case there is an Allah, who's gonna strike you down silly for your hatred-inducing comments. But I guess you're free to go around spreading hateful comments if you wish, I don't care. It's not like its gonna make a difference.
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