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Slavery was justified by human nature. It was demonized by lies and is still demonized in hollywood. When the slaves were freed, the only thing they were freed from was there daily life and bread. If we kept slavery, the blacks wouldn't be so poor and be considered scum. By the way, they really weren't viewed as bad by whites as people think.
I hope to god you are joking bro, yes blacks are poorer in America due to slavery we all get that but how in the fuck could anyone justify any persons enslavement, no disrespect but I can tell you are not a minority and I am willing to bet from the south.
Also blacks are not considered scum only ignorant self centered assholes think so, me personally have friends and family from all walks of life as I am Hispanic, and FYI I am not poor nore scum, bottom line it's about education and yes due to slavery most blacks lack that but give them time, after all most blacks in America have truly only been freemen sense the late 1960's, whites on the other hand in America never suffered anything even remotely close though out American history.
You want to blame American black crime and ignorance on someone, blame your white forefathers, those bastards created this mess, now it's going to take at least 100 years for blacks to even get on par with most whites educationally and financially, so in a nut shell 40 more years to go.
Take this post how you want but I take this shit personal, I hate bigotry in all forms and hate people that justify wrong no matter the reason, and is the reason I hate religion because it had a GREAT hand in justifying it.
We still have slavery today. Slavery isn't inherently wrong; it was considered by many to be indentured servitude, prisoner community service, debt collection, etc. Racial forced slavery, though, is a different matter in a post-Messiah age.
White people were enslaved then too. They were just not the majority.
The majority of slaves were black only because they were sold so cheaply by other tribes.
There were white slaves, there were native american slaves, etc. Beyond that, there were also large numbers of indentured servants, many of whom became de facto slaves due to creative bookkeeping, and a smaller amount of which became actual slaves.
In those days a farmer either grew only enough crops to sustain himself and his family and was extremely poor, grew enough to sustain himself and his family and sell some on the side and was poor, or found cheap abundant labor and grew enough crops to become rich and contribute to the economy by selling his products to the factory's in the city's. so yes it was justified by necessity.
If slavery wasn't used for cheap and ample man-power America would have been taken over by another country when the vastness of its resources was made know to the world.
Slavery allowed America to get big enough, fast enough that it could defend itself.
If it wasn't for slavery we would all be speaking some other language right now. And although it is doubtful it'd be French (we probably still could have taken France in a fight); if slavery kept me from having to hear French everyday it was justified.
What history book did you read? If it wasn't for the French and the Spanish the American revolution would not have succeeded and America would have remained part of the British Empire, slavery would have been abolished earlier and you'd still be speaking English but using the correct spelling unless the Axis won the second world war then you'd most likely be speaking Japanese or German.
The French and Spanish helped the American revolution because everybody hated the British Empire; that doesn't mean they wouldn't have tried to take the whole country after getting the Limeys out of the picture.
Please explain how you could've "taken" France in a fight though, america has never been able to defeat another country unaided so what makes you think your brand new country could have defeated one of the super powers of that day and age?
The French have an extremely long, rich military history. The rep they get today is not deserved.
Some of the fiercest soldiers in history have been french. Some of the most celebrated Generals and conquerors, french. Some of the greatest knights of the medieval age, french.
As 'evil' as it may have been, the country wouldn't be what it is if not for slavery. The black people that call this country home wouldn't be here if not for slavery. It was a necessary cruelty.
Wow. So the kidnap, torture and enslavement of human beings for any reason is okay to you? The very concept is an abomination. Slavery is evil. Black women were raped by their masters, families were split up, and for what? Money? What happened to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Universal human rights based on a moral code that any human with a heart can agree to? I share Dr. King's dream and hate the sin of enslaving other people for any reason at all.
Going back 4 generations- One of my ancestors was the mixed mistress of a slaveowner. There's a decent helping of Cherokee as well, and the rest is a mixture of German and Irish slaves and indentured servants.
Don't get me wrong- I consider slavery to be horrible. But depending on your view (whether we are a soul that exists independently of our body, or whether we are only our body), without slavery I would either not exist, or I would have a far more dismal standard of living than I would otherwise.
When you measure the pain and suffering and the lives lost versus the the change that was made, the future that they paved, and the lives gained, it was.
Absolutely. Yet what you aren't considering is that African people don't have the same privileges American people have. If slavery had never happened, the African American people we know now, would not be American, they'd only be African, and a majority of them would be dead, dying, suffering, starving, etc.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, it was the lesser of two evils.
I find your argument to be morally repugnant. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Excuse me while I carry on the dreams of Jesus and Dr. King.
The dreams of Dr.King you speak of could never have come true if slavery didn't happen, do you not understand that? The only reason black people are in the U.S. is because of slavery.
The point I'm making is not in favor of slavery, and it's not in favor of reinstating slavery, it's the basic justification of the act. It's giving the time it's dues. It was a major fault on the image of America but it served a good purpose in the end. That purpose was bring Dr.King's ancestor here. That purpose was making this country more diverse eventually. That purpose was showing that not only were black people equal now, but they were generally accepted as evidenced by the leader of the very nation being black.
No comment. I am ignoring you from now on. I have no respect for anyone that supports slavery. You have some nerve speaking the names of Jesus and Dr. King when you defend slavery. Maybe YOU should be kidnapped and enslaved for the rest of your life. Victory breeds hatred for the concored are never happy. -Buddha
Actually I do debate, but I am not going to repeat myself all day long. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
No, I mean on this debate specifically. You're caught up in the grudge with the point, and neglecting the fact that feelings aside this is a debate, and I asked a simple question that you refused to answer.
I refuse to indulge something that I do not believe in. I have given my position and my reasons, now it is time for me to find something else to do. Judging from your other debate about picking the wrong side, I know that I am being trolled. You are smart, but I cannot respect you because you defend slavery. I am not attacking, picking a fight, or otherwise trolling, but stating my case and moving on. Good day to you.
This isn't about advocating slavery, just like a debate about eating animals isn't advocating killing animals. If one were to ask is killing animals to eat justified. The answer would be (at least from my standpoint) yes, because we need the nutrients meat provides, and it already happens in nature. There is a good side that comes from eating meat, despite how the animal or PETA may feel for it.
As for this debate, there's a good thing that came from slavery, justifying it. Now again, whether you agree or not that it was justified, simply answering this question won't make you evil, and it won't make you a supporter of slaver, it also won't reinstate slavery.
How did Martin Luther King Jr's ancestors get into America?
This is not a game, this is a question and if you do not then you are basically submitting to the fact that I'm right. Whether slavery was good or bad, it served a purpose justifying it.
You are thinking about the rights of people who have been dead for a very long time. It is, at this point, a thought exercise only. Getting emotional over it is misguided.
When considering justice one must consider the times in which events occurred. It doesn't matter that you are here because of slavery. Somebody was taken from their home, beaten, and the list goes on. I am not trying to present it emotionally. I am saying that regardless of the bright side that you find from your distantly future perspective, it was not justified at the time, neither is it at any time.
If I may interject I don't think Quoclimar is advocating slavery I think he agrees it is wrong but is trying to say that from the viewpoint if the time it was acceptable and even though it is wrong in the end it helped America get to where it is now and helped make modern America what it is now, I just think he did not word his argument very clearly and I can understand how Dana might have misunderstood.
I'm not taking sides and I'm definitely not advocating slavery just making an observation from a spectators viewpoint after reading both your arguments
I'm honestly not taking sides and I agree with your view about slavery but he is sadly right that Americas like a lot of countries fortunes were built on the back of slavery, I think he agrees that slavery is wrong though and just worded his argument badly (I might be wrong on this point hopefully he will respond and clarify his position then we will know for sure), if he thinks slavery was justified and thinks it is a good thing I will admit I was wrong and that I misunderstood his argument.
Slavery absolutely can't be credited for what it is today or yesterday. That is a just a ridiculous notion that it doesn't even deserve why, but I will anyway. Eventually Africans would have settled here just like any other European settler would have as a free man.
Sure, I can't prove it, but America was the land of opportunity, and it would have attracted many Africans likely.
Slavery doesn't deserve anything, the idea that man be treated into compulsive labor without compensation is atrocious, and shouldn't be recognized as dues.
I'm not recognizing it's dues to say it should happen again, I'm recognizing that it happened and can't be changed so to at least appreciate what good it did. If you're a rampant America lover, you're going to hate me for this but 9/11 as terrible as it was, united Americans for a while. I'd give it it's dues for that alone. I would not say that was justified but I'd at least mention that if I was saying anything about it at all.
I can't believe that you are actually saying that slavery did good. Slavery has no positive consequences for America. I would love to read what good you think it did.
Not an America lover, so I wasn't this crazy eyed united American after 9/11. Actually, 9/11 was just a consequence of our foreign interventionist policy of policing the world, it finally caught up.
I'm saying of what slavery did, not all of it was bad, it deserves it's dues. Or think about it this way. In your youth you did stupid things, or you know of someone who did. At the time they regretted it, then looking back on it at the age they are now, they wouldn't change anything because they recognize what it did to make them who they are. Slavery is like an extreme version of that nostalgia for an entire country.
I don't know what genocide did for Germany's people, because I'm not German. I know that as a black person in America I probably would not be here without slavery. I'm saddened to have learned that that was the history for black people, but I accept that that's the past and it can't be changed, but while it can't be changed it brought with it my people. We're here because of slavery I accept that.
To say that you wouldn't be here without slavery is a big assumption. My German ancestors came here for freedom, and I can't imagine not the same if not for the atrocious act of slavery. Why would you be proud that your ancestors were brought here by force? I would resent that notion. Duh, we can't change the past, but it doesn't make slavery get deserved dues.
Please examples on why slavery should get deserved dues.
To find the bright side in a train wreck is not the same as saying train wrecks are good. That's what you seem to be saying.
This country didn't NEED slavery. Some people being here who otherwise wouldn't have been doesn't justify it. If there happens to be an upside to a bad thing, it's still a bad thing.
I think justified is the wrong word, slavery can never be justified, looking at slavery from a modern perspective slavery is obviously wrong but if you look at it from the perspective of the time when America had slaves it was normal practice in those days, people knew no different and at the time it was acceptable but even though it was acceptable at the time it was not justified
No, many have died as a result of slavery, not to mention it encouraged racism and segregation. Which again many people suffered. So So slavery is not justifiable.
Those many black people that were killed during America's reign of slavery have well since been replaced. Though I know, simply making new lives doesn't fully replace lost lives, but the lost lives if they were able to see what they built for their future generation you don't think they'd forgive. We have a black president. We have equality. We have a very diverse population. All which owes at least a semblance of it's existence to slavery.
Don't take this as a pro-slavery speech. No one's trying to rally the troops to send any group back to the fields, but now that it's past, and we don't have to look back on that ugly time in history anymore can't we at least acknowledge what it did do for us.
The only example I can think of that similar is war. War was ugly, and we wouldn't want to start any more, but the wars we have had they all brought with them some treasures. The modern washing machine came from unmanned mini tanks in WW1. Since I don't feel like listing all the rest, but i feel they deserve citation here's a link to some others.
However, i believe it wasn't justifiable because they probably knew the terrifying consciences, but proabably didn't know the security it eventually caused.
No, it was opportunistic and cruel, on all three sides: the British and American traders, the American plantation owners and the Africans who sold their POW's for pots, pans and guns. Why couldn't they have used a form of serfdom instead if they wanted slaves that much?
You can NOT try to judge someone with your morals today and compare it to those back then. What if some one a 1,000 years from now judged yours? Not saying slavery is ever justified, I'm just laying out some things that are needed to be said.
