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 We sometimes lose touch with reality!!! (39)

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We sometimes lose touch with reality!!!

Have you ever lost touch with reality? Of course you have, than something happens and it brings you right back into reality and where money is everything, but why is money a need? Everyone says money does not buy happiness but is that saying really true. Are is it one of those things like "if you are not first you are last" than later on the person that said it, is like i was high when tI said that! That does not even make sense. 

But really ask yourself when is the last time you did not have to pay for something at the store? Never happened even those samples at Sam's club those are not free you have to pay for those maybe not directly, but you pay for those and to shop with the membership fee. We pay taxes to for public transportation,the internet,and anything you can think of.Money might not bring happiness to some but it makes life that much better, takes the stress away from paying bills and shopping.


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3 points

There are brief scenarios in life where indeed you can get something for nothing...

You may walk up to food left behind, still good and available.

You may find money in the street.

You may hook up with an attractive person for a one night stand even though you weren't intending or trying for that.

You may be given a gift of a lottery ticket which then wins.

And in regards to the expression "money can't buy happiness", it's a misunderstanding, because what is really meant is "money by itself can't buy happiness." The latter is true. But in the meantime, a total lack of money most certainly will make you unhappy.

I think the key takeaways are:

When life gives you something good, take it.

When life gives you something bad, try to make the best out of it.

And when life gets complicated, don't count on any one thing to be the only answer.

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If you ever get something for nothing, it’s because someone else paid for it. Things are always paid for. Before there was money, we still had to pay for what we got. Money simply facilitates payment.

TzarPepe(793) Clarified
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I'd go a step beyond and say that no one truly earns what they get. Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, you can work for things, and achieve things, but there is an entire universe of causality behind all of your efforts. The amount of work that you personally do is very minuscule compared to the amount of work being done for you by everything else.

Either the debt is paid, or we're all screwed.

Glory to God.

Merry Christmas.

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It is written, "The love of money is the root of all evil" for a reason.

You can't worship God and money at the same time.

Amarel(4987) Clarified
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I’m not a Christian. The love of money is the love of means. It is not evil, in and of itself, to love means. Especially if the means you love are acquired properly and the ends you seek are noble. The love of money is not the root of all evil.

TzarPepe(793) Clarified
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So the love of money is the love of power, influence, and means. I wouldn't say that someone with a lot of money necessarily takes money as their god.

The issue here is when money becomes an idol before God. You say you are not a Christian, but even you can understand how the love of power, influence, wealth, and means can very easily compromise one's sincerity and charity while skewing our perception of reality.

What is a noble end? I'm absolutely certain that there are many anarchists, communists, fascists, pirates, theocrats, technocrats, etc. who are convinced they have very noble ends. I'm sure they even believe their means are acquired properly. They might even appear to be noble and proper to others!

The one thing that is very difficult to observe objectively in all these situations is the heart of the individual. What determined the ends? Those with seemingly noble ends are often really after the means. What is their intent? To get even? Maybe the end is really the means itself. The love of power, influence, and means. The love of money. The stated end, or the conceptualized end is really just an extension of one's love of money. The love of money is really just a jacket worn around one's love of power, influence, and means.

It is fundamentally a heart issue, this love of money.

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@NathanAllen

Everyone says money does not buy happiness but is that saying really true. Are is it one of those things like "if you are not first you are last" than later on the person that said it, is like i was high when tI said that! That does not even make sense.

Happiness has been shown to be correlated with wealth until one's basic needs are met and are capable of living in relative comfort. After such a point is achieved, increased wealth has been shown to have no significant effect on one's level of happiness. Rather factors such as hobbies, interests, intellectual stimulation, social life, romantic relationships, ect., ect. become the salient variables in determining one's level of happiness thereafter

NathanAllen(2227) Clarified
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In the future do not expect me to go through everything on a debate. This one was not supposed to go big but it did because of a bunch of children.

xMathFanx(1742) Clarified
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@NathanAllen

In the future do not expect me to go through everything on a debate. This one was not supposed to go big but it did because of a bunch of children.

Okay(?) I'm not sure what you mean by that

I understand that Dermot and TzarPepe "got into it" here, I'm not sure how you feel this is connected to my comment though (am I missing something(?))