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What Do You Think Of Jordan Peterson?

I think Peterson is a truly rare find: a genuinely intelligent Conservative. He isn't just pretending like most Conservatives love to do.

Have a look at the short debate he has below with a transgender professor about the use of alternate pronouns to describe transsexual students. This is an issue -- perhaps the only issue -- on which I sympathise greatly with the right. I think the transgenders are being absolutely ridiculous. However, I still would eventually have to side with the left because it is an issue of discrimination. If someone calls you a word which you consider defamatory and which hurts your feelings, then I believe you should have some right not to be called that word.

Anyway, I digress. Peterson gave an articulate and powerful argument, but if you watch closely you will see he trips himself up midway through. Peterson's defence is that this is a freedom of speech issue: that he has the right to question ideas and articulate his own thoughts as he sees fit. But then comes the clanger. As is absolutely typical of most right wingers, he is unable to last a full debate without invoking the Holocaust (bizarre and irritating given that it was the right who were responsible for it), but this appears to be something he was doing out of habit more than anything else, because he quickly shut down his direction with the claim, "That's obviously different."

But hang on Jordan, buddy. No, it isn't different. If you should have the freedom to question or criticise ideas you don't agree with, then other people should also have that right. If you can question some ideas but not others then it isn't freedom of speech you are advocating at all, is it? It's the opposite of freedom of speech. You want people to be able to ask questions about or criticise only those ideas which you disagree with, while the ones you agree with are off limits. That's a Peterson dictatorship, not freedom of speech.

In my opinion, I believe he undermined his entire argument by bringing up the Holocaust, and furthermore I think he knew it too, which is why he skirted away from the subject mere seconds after he brought it up. 




Genius

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Douchebag

Side Score: 26
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Peterson is an intellectual strategist, so his arguments tend to be oriented more toward accomplishing his social objectives than advancing a rigorous argument. He is skilled at controlling the trajectory and focus of discourse, and that makes it easier to advance arguments that seem more reasonable.

The legislation he is referencing concerns a broader social issue, but his narrow focus on one aspect of that legislation makes his position seem more credible. He is generally conservative and therefore opposed to alternative gender concepts, but he avoids having to substantiate that position by shifting the focus to freedom of speech. This is strategically sound and he's an effective debater, but it makes much of his commentary rather evasive and disingenuous (and therefore, to me, uninteresting).

The anchor and the other professor both seem intuitively aware of this but ill-equipped to counter and control the discussion. Peterson controls the ground entirely throughout this exchange.

Side: Genius
Amarel(4910) Banned
-2 points
Spanner(3) Disputed
2 points

It has never been the case before

Yes it has you deranged hypocrite. It is no longer considered acceptable for white people to call black people niggers. In Europe people are literally imprisoned for making fun of the Holocaust.

The great irony here is that, when the OP wrote that most Conservatives pretend to be intelligent, I have no doubt he had your lengthy shitposts in mind.

Side: Douchebag
Spanner(3) Disputed
2 points

In this case, Peterson is referring to a Canadian Law that he does not oppose, which is against Holocaust denial.

He favours free speech regarding some things, but not others, which -- like yourself -- makes him the textbook definition of a hypocrite. If he is going to base a defence entirely on the notion of freedom of speech then bringing up examples of censored speech which he himself endorses obviously contradicts the basis of his own argument. It is like saying, "Freedom of speech for the ideas I support, but no freedom of speech for the ideas I do not support."

It’s a relevant example of speech law in his country

It is very disingenuous to pretend that the Holocaust had anything to do with his argument. Obviously it didn't. The argument was about the use of alternate pronouns for transgenders. That absolutely has got fuck all to do with the Holocaust. As explained in the OP and again in my first paragraph of this reply, using examples of censored speech was a stupid thing to do when the basis of his argument was: "I should be allowed to say whatever I want because freedom of speech allows me that right."

Side: Douchebag
-2 points
johnthethird(5) Disputed
1 point

You are born male or female

Yes.

There are only two genders

Naturally there are two genders, but advancements in surgical procedures and drug therapies have blurred the lines between these genders. Pretending we still live in a time before these surgeries were possible is not reasonable. If someone has the body and face of a woman, but retains male genitalia then labelling that person either male or female is not the simple matter you are pretending it to be.

I refuse to pander to someone's psychosis.

I wouldn't expect you to. You are far too busy dealing with your own.

Side: Douchebag
Grugore(854) Disputed
0 points

Listen up, dipshitzky. Your DNA defines what you are. It doesn't matter how some mentally disturbed person decides to mutilate themselves. They are either male or female. That is the reality we live in.

Side: Genius
Toadstool(5) Banned
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Spanner(3) Disputed
3 points

He represents an analytical mind, which is the enemy of Marxism.

Marx literally wrote the most thorough analysis of economy ever produced by humanity. Das Kapital is three 800 page volumes you utterly stupid wanker.

Side: Douchebag
2 points

I think I agree with your reasoning on the issue of Peterson. What the transgender professor is pushing is both insane and unachievable and I believe harms the transgender agenda which as I understand it is more or less equal rights. If they want to alienate straight people like me who are pro gay rights and pro transgender rights they've found a perfect way to do it. By pushing this nonsense the transgender professor and everyone else pushing it is harming their cause and have given the right wing some raw meat to chew on.

That being said Peterson is still a douchebag and being served up an easy win on a kooky side issue doesn't change that.

Side: Douchebag
outlaw60(14512) Disputed
1 point

Rusty is the man without a tie a trannie or is the man with a tie a trannie ?????????

Rusty are both persons dressed as men ????????????????

Side: Genius
outlaw60(14512) Disputed
1 point

Rusty at what stage in the life of a Gender Confused Leftist did they not know if they were born a man or a woman ????????

One has to be either born with a penis or vagina and that is settled science !!!!!!!!

Side: Genius
excon(12386) Disputed
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Rusty at what stage in the life of a Gender Confused Leftist did they not know if they were born a man or a woman

Hello poochy boy:

At what stage in your life did you realize that you HATE black people???

Now, fetch this stick..

excon

Side: Douchebag
outlaw60(14512) Disputed
0 points

What up there Rusty you Gender Confused Leftist !!!!!!!!!!!

Rusty which man in the video is a woman in your confused mind ????????????

Side: Genius
Amarel(4910) Disputed Banned
-1 points

Given that you just summarized part of Peterson’s position when you summarized your own, on what grounds does this make him a douchebag?

Side: Genius
2 points

What Do You Think Of Jordan Peterson?

The Mensheviks fought the Bolsheviks, the Anarchists fought the Communists, etc. etc. etc

Peterson is a Liberal who is fighting the SJW's.

Side: Douchebag
1 point

Have a look at the short debate he has below with a transgender professor about the use of alternate pronouns to describe transsexual students.

Hey Douchebag why do both males shown not look like females ?????????????

Side: Douchebag
1 point

Why is sucking cock a part of good psychological wellbeing?

Have you asked the transsexuals you Leftist support the above question ???????

Side: Douchebag