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What Has Trump Sacrificed?
For those of you who don't know, the father of a Muslim America vet who died in combat spoke out against Trump at the DNC, saying that unlike his son, Trump has sacrificed nothing. Trump, durring his response, claimed that "I think I have made a lot of sacrifices. I work very, very hard".
What sacrifices do you believe Trump has made that come close to dying in the armed forces, or having a child die in the armed forces?
I didn’t see anything about what Trump said that implied he felt he had made as many or more sacrifices than the late vet or his parents. He was simply responding to a statement that he evidently felt was erroneous which was that he had sacrificed “nothing”. Perhaps Trump has made sacrifices in his life to get to where he is but don’t many people? I appreciate the pain this family must be feeling at losing their son but imo it was unfair of the father to attack Trump in that way when firstly he does not know him intimately and secondly Trump had not made any prior comment about them. It was unnecessary. Just keep your speech to the memory of your child, there was no need to single out anyone to malign.
Look at it this way: Trump regularly talks and acts as if Muslims do not contribute to this country. The father, feeling offended by this, obviously brings up his son who died in our armed forces, in order to demonstrate that his family has sacrificed a lot for this country. Then, in anger, he questions what sort of equivalent sacrifice Trump has made (notable since no member of Trump's family has served).
Trump didn't need to make a prior comment about them specifically, because he has already said that he believes those individuals (the parents) shouldn't have been allowed to immigrate here in the first place. I'd say that makes it perfectly fair and justifiable for them to attack Trump, especially considering they are doing so at the Democratical National Convention, a place where people always criticize the given election's Republican candidate.
Fair enough, well explained. I will also concede that Trump's response was not perfect and could have been far more tactful so as not to reinforce any perceived prejudice.
Considering he insinuated that the wife wasn't allowed to speak, I don't think it's a matter of being tactful. He was just blatantly stoking "racial" (I say because America has a racial perception of Islam) tensions in a really offensive way.
Likewise Britain. There does seem to be this odd inclination towards using the terms race and religion interchangeably when instead they are independent forms of identity. People may criticise, but ought to at least be fair in their critique. Trump’s statement regarding the wife most likely alluded to her religion (Islam) as opposed to her race, ergo it was religiously offensive, not racially; the two mustn’t be conflated.
Nevertheless, I say tactful because given the statements he has already made about Muslims previously, this was a chance for him to set that sentiment aside and focus on the grief of this couple, by appreciating their pain and thanking them for their son’s service: something he may have done in an alternative scenario. However, Trump felt attacked and his first instinct was to become defensive and strike back like a wounded lion – as is his wont with everyone. But knowing Trump’s temperament (and reviewing previous snipes of his), I think if he had deliberately intended to stoke such tension he could have and would have chosen far more incendiary language to direct at the Khans.
Trump’s statement regarding the wife most likely alluded to her religion (Islam) as opposed to her race, ergo it was religiously offensive, not racially; the two mustn’t be conflated.
It wasn't, though. The thing about Islam is that it is practiced quite differently around the world. The form of Islam that is most recognizable in the West is the kind practiced around the Middle East, hence Trump's comments. In that sense it was both racial, and religious in nature.
I think if he had deliberately intended to stoke such tension he could have and would have chosen far more incendiary language to direct at the Khans.
I certainly agree. This had all the marks of, as you said, the "wounded lion" mentality than anything else, and Trump doesn't have the best track record with fighting back on his heels.
It wasn't, though. The thing about Islam is that it is practiced quite differently around the world. The form of Islam that is most recognizable in the West is the kind practiced around the Middle East, hence Trump's comments. In that sense it was both racial, and religious in nature.
Not quite. One’s practice of Islam is dependent upon how closely they choose to observe it, regardless of their racial background. Those in the Middle East are more disposed to being strong adherents because that is the religion’s birthplace and what dictates government law. Nevertheless, that does not mean Islam will not be practiced to the same degree in other cultures i.e. the West. But Islam is Islam. It’s just that in the West there lies greater freedom to follow it more loosely. You may find fundamentalist Muslims whose racial background is Caucasian and more liberal Muslims whose racial background is Arab. My point being that if the Khans were Caucasian Muslims, Trump’s comment would be viewed in the religious sense alone and I think he still would have made it anyway because that is what he takes issue with primarily.
It depends on how you define sacrifice. Here's what Merriam Webster thinks:
Full Definition of sacrifice
1 an act of offering to a deity something precious; especially : the killing of a victim on an altar
2 something offered in sacrifice
3 A : destruction or surrender of something for the sake of something else; b : something given up or lost; the sacrifices made by parents.
4 loss as in goods sold at a sacrifice
Now, let's analyze this...
1- Was a Deity involved? Unless he "give up" his life for Allah like a suicide bomber, probably not. There was also no altar involved. No sacrifice here.
2 - Did he offer his life? Probably not. He was most likely was trying to eliminate a danger without harming himself. He was blown up by a car bomb. No sacrifice here.
3 - Did he voluntarily give up something? Nope, he wasn't trying to get blown up. He volunteered to go potentially in harms way, but wasn't trying to get killed. Did the parents offer their son at the altar to satisfy some God? Nope. No sacrifice here.
4 - Did he sell goods at a discount? There was no sale made in this transaction. No sacrifice here.
Upshot: No sacrifices were made and therefore, Trump has given up as much as the soldier and parents in question have.
Since you are, as you so often do, dishonestly ignoring the primary definitions of a word so as to avoid the obvious point, I feel the need to point out that the actual primary definition of the word based on the very link you have given is:
"the act of giving up something that you want to keep especially in order to get or do something else or to help someone"
You knew that was the definition used in this context, I know it, we all know it.
Enough with this dishonest crap, HighFalutin. It doesn't help anyone.
I did in fact read it and responded appropriately and in an edifying manner so as to enlighten all with my pearls of wisdom. You're life is now complete.
The Democrat loves military when it involves Muslims. What idiot poster here does is just carry the narrative that is spoon fed to it's mind full of mush. Democrats are so easily exposed for their pure ignorance.
The Democrat does not like to be challenged. It is very disturbing for the world of uninformed for which you make an existence. Dishonest crap is solely owned by the party you support Democrat.
Back to the question as asked by the Democrat. What sacrifices do you believe Trump has made that come close to dying in the armed forces, or having a child die in the armed forces?
Democrats now have concerns about those in the armed forces.
You Democrats only use a narrative to advance your agenda. Talking as if you care about the military is nothing but a joke. Tell me Democrat what has Obama done for the Veterans Administration that would be absolutely nothing. We shall take a look at the military and the numbers. The Army’s latest headcount shows that nearly 2,600 soldiers departed active service in March without being replaced, an action that plunges manning to its lowest level since before World War II. During the past year the size of the active force has been reduced by 16,548 soldiers, the rough equivalent of three brigades.
End strength for March was 479,172 soldiers, which is 154 fewer troopers than were on active duty when the Army halted the post-Cold War draw down in 1999 with 479,424 soldiers, the smallest force since 1940, when the active component numbered 269,023 soldiers.
Tell me Democrat how you really care about the military.
Carry the water you ignorant Democrat. You are devoid of any real facts because you must carry that heavy water pail as the mindless fool you expose yourself to be.
Chris Matthews said of Patrica Smith’s speech at the RNC who's son was killed in Benghazi “I think it was wrong, I don’t care what that woman up there — the mother — has felt. Her emotions are her own.”
Men who now die in war have become a concern for you Democrats. Why don't you just spare us all the bullshit you are trying to push.
When he loses this election (badly, and fully disgraced and discredited) he will have sacrificed his public persona which allowed him up until then to cash in on public interest, such as through reality TV shows, talk shows, and such. Granted he will always have some core group that still love him despite the maniac that he is, so I'm not saying he will go away, but that group is not the majority in this country, and once the majority have firmly rejected him his ability to convince the media or entertainment industry to get behind him will have become neutered. From a professional standpoint he would have been better served by coming close to being the nominee but not quite getting it. Now that he's the guy a floodgate has been opened which will wash away too much of this image he banks on.
