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What If I Told You...


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5 points

What if I told you that Atheists aren't asking you to question the existence of God, and that you completely ignore what Atheists actually say to you and you assume they are saying something they aren't?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

There is no doubt that your head is full of rocks and anything which manifests itself pretending to be you is an illusion caused by chemical fizzes in evolution, this is proven fact in evolution, you are nothing in evolution. It's so beautiful learning more about evolution!!!! It's so wonderful knowing you think you are an illusion!! Just makes you want to weep with joy, doesn't it you bone headed atheist.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Good show of character. Are you better than me in anything?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

You can't delete a post. Every word, thought, and action of yours is permanent and cannot be deleted, it's done forever and can never be undone. That's why Hell is permanent and sinners can't get out of it by their own efforts.

KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

Saintnow - listen you bonehead who is supposed to be a Christian, I'm not making an argument here. I'm simply asking people to ask themselves this question: "If Hell is real, why am I not burning in it now". Rather than answer the question, some jerks want to change it into a debate about Pascal's Wager. If they are actually playing Pascal's Wager, then they should admit it but all they want to do is ignore the question and try to change the discussion. They got banned for it and you are being banned for being equally obtuse as the atheists here.

KNHAV - Your focus in life seems to be Hell, why is that?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

What if I told you atheists are fools ?

Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

That would be great. You are wrong about everything. Say it, please.

Srom(12204) Clarified
0 points

I don't ignore what they say.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

if you ask Cartman, atheists aren't saying anything and if you think they said something, Cartman will reword it for you to show they never said what you thought they said, and didn't mean what they said if they said it.

4 points

But when you seek answers from the same book you're questioning you're just re-affirming what you believe not truly seeking answers.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Can you prove that you are real and not an illusion which appears to be you? If you are not a supernatural being in a natural body, then you are only an illusion and your life is worth no more than an old television which had been shot just to watch it explode. Can somebody change the channel please, I'm tired of the Fartman show.

AveSatanas(4383) Disputed
2 points

No i cant. i cant prove this is all just a computer simulation. i cant prove that im just a figment of your imagination. But i also have absolutely no reason to believe any of those things are true. Same goes for your god. i cant prove he doesnt exist. but i also have absolutely no reason to believe that he does.

Amarel(3836) Disputed
1 point

Why don't you actually read what the above person actually posted. Seriously. The reason everyone is up voting it is because it's reasonable. I expect that's the same reason your post pretends it was never said.

When you question the bible, but look for answers to those questions using the same source whose validity is in question, you can get nowhere. You are not looking for truth. You are lost.

2 points

What if I told you.....

That contrary to what the Creationists would have you believe, claiming that "Evolution is a Theory" actually BOLSTERS its credibility. IOW: saying that in relaity is paying it a compliment and not insulting it!

Why?

Because, here's the deal, Camille..........It is easy to think of a scientific theory as a "hunch" or a "guess," one that is not based on facts. The definition of a theory in the science world is an explanation of an area of science that relies on a large amount of evidence.

For example, the theory of gravitation describes how objects move around in various gravitational fields. This theory is supported by various facts and observations, both on earth and in space.

The theory of evolution, therefore, is not the "guess" that many people believe, but an explanation of many phenomena in the world that is based on strong supportive facts.

Got it?

Sweet!

SS

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

We all have our doubt about some of the thing we are going through or about to go through but it's best to not lead to your own understanding.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

I don't have any doubt about the things I am going through or am about to go through. I know the One who has me and is taking me through it, why should I doubt?

KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

We all have doubts, my doubts don't question God's ability. He is proven capable of anything , He separated the Red Sea, and carried His Word through time watching over it and performing it!

What I doubt is usually directed at myself, is it in God's will. But doubt doesn't make me doubt God. He is always there.

1 point

" Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there IS one, He must approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

I try not to live blindfolded.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Yes God approves of reason, He is trying to draw you in to reason with Him and be in agreement with Him regarding His right to rule over you, His right to rule against you, His right to end your time at any moment and leave you in Hell forever if you will not repent of your sin and believe on His Son who died for you and is risen from the dead and will be your Judge if not your Savior.

If you will not agree with God, you are living blindfolded and quoting Thomas Jefferson (if that is a real quote, there's a lot of made up garbage floating around the net, but I do understand Jefferson was not a biblical Christian) and you are you to demand God must respect your doubting of Him?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Ask yourself a question: "if Hell is real, why am I not burning in it now?"

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

You can't delete a post. Every word, thought, and action of yours is permanent and cannot be deleted, it's done forever and can never be undone. That's why Hell is permanent and sinners can't get out of it by their own efforts.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Bang!!! Punk, your luck ran out. ahahhahahahahhahhahahhah

Now ask yourself a question.........say to yourself "If Hell is real, why am I not burning it it now"

Answer: It as only television, Clint didn't really shoot you, it was just me banning you, I hope your not burning in Hell.

How do you delete a post?? I meant to dispute someone's post, but I accidentially just posted one. Sorry!!

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

I'm sorry, you did not refute this statement. Maybe if spit out a wad of profanities you will feel better.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
0 points

You can't delete a post. Every word, thought, and action of yours is permanent and cannot be deleted, it's done forever and can never be undone. That's why Hell is permanent and sinners can't get out of it by their own efforts.

What? I wasn't trying to refute your statement. I accidentially commented and I was trying to figure out how to delete it.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Ask yourself a question: "if Hell is real, why am I not burning in it now?"

Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Why are you proud that your version of God is only 99% evil instead of being full evil?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

are you ready to admit you have no nice feelings toward God and you hate Him and you have no nice feelings toward anybody who is pointing this out?

Are you ready to admit that at heart you are a murderer, the killer of God?

Independent3(31) Disputed
1 point

You can't kill what you don't believe in, and you also can't hate what you don't believe in.

Also, how could I kill God if he's all powerful?

But while we're at it, didn't God kill Jesus? Jesus didn't sacrifice himself. God sacrificed him. Yes, he technically 'died for us', but he didn't have a choice.

God doesn't seem too worthy of worship to me. At least, he doesn't seem like a very good dad.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Ask yourself this question: "If Hell is real, why am I not burning in it now". From time to time, even the most shamelessly perverted atheist will have a twinge of guilt over something they say, think, or do. Remember, when one of those moments strikes you, ask yourself this question: "If Hell is real, why am I not burning in it now?" Then thank God for His mercy in that He holds back for now from giving you what you deserve.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

You really sound nice. Accusing God of being a mass murderer. You must really be nice when you are trying to be a snotty brat.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Wiping out every human except Noah and his family is mass murder.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Read your OT. The God in the NT is the same God as the OT

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
0 points

I doubt that you care to listen to reason, but God did have another choice, He did choose to die for your sins and He could have made another choice. Instead of taking the penalty of man's sin on Himself so He can consider the debt of mankind paid in full, He could have simply destroyed us all (which He came close to doing when the whole earth was full of violence and the imaginations of their hearts were only evil continually and only Noah was found upright in the sight of God) Instead of giving us the destruction we deserve, He took in on Himself so that He is justified to forgive all who will believe on Him in His resurrection, and He is justified to leave in eternal dying in the fire of Hell all who will not seek His mercy through the blood He gave by His own choice of love for His creation even after it turned against Him. You have turned against God, His love for you has not changed, and His wrath against your sin will never change. Either you die with your sin, or you believe He took your sin on Himself and died for you to save you in His resurrection and give you eternal life. Choosing to go against your Creator is not a wise choice, you will never get out of your sins, always be bound by the consequences of your choice.

Jesus is God who gave Himself for the sins of the world. Sin killed Jesus, He could have killed all sinners before He gave Himself for their sins so they can be forgiven by Him in His resurrection. He's alive and offering you forgiveness even though you want Him dead. Don't be a fool, repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and He will save you now.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Reason is not something you possess.

Independent3(31) Disputed
1 point

Is Jesus is God, how did he die? And how does killing yourself do anything to other people's sins? Also isn't suicide a sin?

If he can pardon all sins except not believing in him, why didn't he just pardon them instead of dying?

It's also not merciful to kill every human not on Noah's ark.

0 points

Oh...yeah, I am sure that some Christians do indeed doubt their Faith form time to time.

As they also doubt the existence of their god. (a god who has done nothing for most of them, when you get right down to it.)

And they also probably sometimes doubt that a Jewish carpenter/political insurrectionist/philosopher who lived for a brief 32 years or so, some 2000 years ago actually physically rose from being dead in a cave for a couple days.

They SHOULD doubt these absurdities. When I hear that any of them do, well, in my book, their credibility goes up a notch. And I sometimes think maybe there IS hope for them.

Thing is: they simply do not doubt enough. In science when we doubt, we test; we observe; we perform more experimentation, until those doubts are either proven to have cause and merit, or, conversely, shown to be groundless.

Religion does none of this. As Dawkins says, the big problem with those folks is that they are OK with not understanding the world.

It's always easier to cloak yourself in unfounded beliefs, as long as they comfort you, than it is to dissect them and discern whether or not they are true.

Belief in god = THE EASY WAY OUT!

LOL

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

You should doubt your hope of escaping punishment in death, because you're in trouble forever if you force God to prove you wrong, fiery trouble my friend, the wrath of God burns against sin, and justly so.

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

hahahah.....if somebody doubts their beliefs, that makes them more credible? How in the world can they be credible if they don't their beliefs so they don't know what is credible? Admitting they don't know what they are talking about makes them credible? That works I guess if you don't want to know what you are talking about and you want others to tell you that you are right in not knowing.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

if somebody doubts their beliefs, that makes them more credible?

"In science when we doubt, we test; we observe; we perform more experimentation, until those doubts are either proven to have cause and merit, or, conversely, shown to be groundless."

Poor SaintNow, cursed with thinking you are always right. It is sad really. Someone can tell you the answer to your question before you ask it and you still won't see the answer. For someone looking for the answer, that will be a huge problem.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

You can't delete a post. Every word, thought, and action of yours is permanent and cannot be deleted, it's done forever and can never be undone. That's why Hell is permanent and sinners can't get out of it by their own efforts.

Independent3(31) Disputed
1 point

Actually, I'm sure there's a delete button somewhere. Just not sure where it is.

There's an 'edit' one at least, so if that was supposed to be some grand analogy I guess it means you can edit your thoughts and you can get out of Hell because you can replace your 'posts' with a bunch of random letters.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

You think death is the easy way out.

The problem is that your words, thoughts, and actions were done and the record is permanent. You're not getting out of it. Hell is permanent the same as your record is permanent. Hoping in death to get you off the hook is insane.

No wonder you want to skate around the universe and get in fights. You want that explosion of death as you hope to get out of your record that way. Sorry, your not getting out, you can't make Hell go away any more than you can make God go away....and if you think you are going away in death and escaping justice so the things you have said, done, and thought can no longer be held against you, you have another thing coming, Slappy. Evolution, the big band, and atheism can't get you off the hook, you're like a worm hooked to be used for fishing and the hook if your own sins which are done forever and never going away unless God takes them on Himself and pays for them Himself.........which He did, but you reject what He did for you so as you stand now, you have to pay in Hell.

Sorry, friend. If you don't believe it, why not just laugh it off? HA HA, that's funnier than Zeus the King of Narnia who punishes all who believe Tarzan did not evolve from Cheetahs' grandmother.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Hehe, your posts are great. You are going to beat FromWithin in lack of self awareness.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
0 points

There is no doubt that your head manifests itself pretending to be you is an illusion caused by chemical fizzes in evolution, this is proven fact in evolution, you are nothing in evolution. It's so beautiful learning more about evolution!!!! It's so wonderful knowing you think you are an illusion!! Just makes you want to weep with joy, doesn't it? The very idea that nobody is really worth anything, it's so beuatiful

Independent3(31) Disputed
1 point

You're right, that is pretty beautiful. But I think what's even more beautiful is that a dude in the sky has power over us. Him and his son who he killed. The ultimate sacrifice!

Haha, he could kill us if he wants, and he kills people every day from diseases he created. Wonderful guy, really. It just amazes me more and more when I learn about God! But no, we aren't his slaves, course not. To show us this so he gave us free will! Unfortunately if we use that free will to not believe in him or not follow his rules blindly, we are doomed for all eternity.

No, not right now, silly. Starting after we die, of course!!

He's just so nice and cheery all the time, and I love him and his dead son!

I don't really care what religion other people believe in. I'm not questioning the existence of God (like you said we atheists are always doing. Lookie there, Cartman was right about at least one person! Aw shucks!) He very well might be real, but I don't really care since he hasn't done anything to help me (or millions of others he lets suffer or kills). If he's all powerful, why doesn't he?

Someone who kills babies for fun (oh riiiight. It's the work of the devil. That makes so much more sense. Yeah, it's not like God created him or anything!) isn't someone I want to worship. If you do, go ahead. Worship away. I'm not trying to stop you. After all, free will, right?