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Debate Score:20
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What Is The Ultimate Nature Of Reality?

The problem with answering this question is of course that nobody is really sure what we mean by reality any more. There is the reality that you and I experience everyday, of cause and effect, of precise measurements and coordinates, but there is another reality underneath all of that which behaves much differently. I'm talking about quantum mechanics, the reality of things which are very small.

In quantum mechanics, things can't change while you are looking at them, and any experiment you conduct can have different results depending upon whether or not you are observing it. This would appear to suggest that life is somehow integral to the basic structure of reality. That without life there could be no reality, only an endless series of probabilities.

Here is an interesting thought for you. Most people assume that life developed after the universe did. But what if it was the other way around? What if the universe developed around life?

It sounds insane if you view the question from the perspective of the everyday world, but given the laws of quantum mechanics -- at least how we understand them at present -- it might be something which will seriously need to be considered.


Donuts

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Something Else

Side Score: 8
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i beleef thet the yoonaverse is made of the double torroidal oroborus wheel of infinity aka the double helleeks electromagnetic sarbuntaez cakculatod in phi times the number 0.

Side: Donuts
1 point

I live inside a cabin in the middle of the forest

the forest floor is morbid cause' I riddled it with corpses

I like mashing brains up to turn them into porridge

I'm a hunter gatherer, I'd rather hunt than forage

I like my corpses fresh, I don't want no peelin' skin

I don't want no flies around me by the time I wheel em' in...

I wake up every morning feeling grim

cause' I know I'll have to kill again before my meal begins

I eat human flesh, something most have never done

I eat human thyroids, livers and their tongues...

you'll get your penis severed son,

I'll cover it with ketchup and I'll put it in a bun

I'm an antisocial hermit, but a clever one

they'll never catch me in the act, the cops will never come

if you see me and you're in the woods alone you better run

Side: Donuts
1 point

What would you know about reality? You admitted to being a socialist. Thief!

Side: Donuts
ButterH0le(7) Banned
0 points

This is Nom indirectly admitting a God-like entity can exist. So much for atheism, eh Nomb nuts?

Side: Donuts
JamesDD(267) Disputed
1 point

This is Nom indirectly admitting a God-like entity can exist.

This is you indirectly admitting Christianity is a joke.

So much for atheism, eh Nomb nuts?

I didn't mention God anywhere so you're banned for doing what you always do which is tell lies.

Side: Something Else
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JamesDD(267) Disputed
1 point

You're correct of course about the universe being a simulation

Which directly contradicts what you wrote on your last puppet account:-

I honestly think the idea that the universe "came from life" is stupid though.

Obviously, if the universe is a simulation, then life predates the universe.

Why don't you stop writing childish, idiotic drivel, go away and have a good long think about what you actually believe? That way you won't come across as being desperate, argumentative and stupid. If you can't make an argument without contradicting yourself then the only way to win is by shutting your stupid mouth.

Side: Something Else
0 points

You can't even be sure that quantum mechanics is as it seems. Most of it is theoretical mathematics, and while we are "on a roll" when it comes to using these equations to make technology work we are still a long way from knowing "the ultimate nature of reality". I honestly think the idea that the universe "came from life" is stupid though. The idea that we are somehow dreaming reality itself logically necessitates the baseless existence of fully sentient beings that popped out of nothing in order to form the basis of a reality which only exists because it is somehow perceived before it exists. That idea is just as stupid (and very similar) to a belief in God.

Side: Something Else
JamesDD(267) Disputed
1 point

I honestly think the idea that the universe "came from life" is stupid though.

I honestly think you're a loser who is shit at chess.

Side: Donuts
JamesDD(267) Disputed
1 point

The idea that we are somehow dreaming reality itself logically necessitates the baseless existence of fully sentient beings that popped out of nothing in order to form the basis of a reality which only exists because it is somehow perceived before it exists.

This literally makes no sense. It's the rambling of a demented idiot trying to use words he doesn't understand. Nobody said life popped out of nothing. You are inventing your own preconditions, misrepresenting what I wrote and generally are showing yourself off to be the bitter, narcissistic little moron everybody here knows you to be. Your very choice of username exposes your childishness. Piss off out of my thread you goddamned idiot. You're a complete failure in life which is why you keep coming back here despite threatening to leave three times like the big, fully grown drama queen you are. Get out of my thread you boring, persistent loser.

Side: Donuts
JamesDD(267) Disputed
1 point

That idea is just as stupid

It's your idea, not mine. My idea was that, if the universe is dependent on life to exist (which quantum mechanics suggests it is), then it would be reasonable to rule out the possibility that life (in some form) predates the known universe. In fact, that would be entirely consistent and compatible with your own belief that the universe is a simulation, so your attack is not only based on your own straw man argument, but exposes you as an absolutely gigantic hypocrite who is literally LOOKING for a reason to attack me, even if it means contradicting your own beliefs.

You are a complete idiot pal. When are you going to get it through your thick skull that I'm not interested in your comments? You've been banned from here at least fifty times so take the hint if you're so smart, you infantile cretin.

Side: Donuts
JamesDD(267) Disputed
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You can't even be sure that quantum mechanics is as it seems.

Nobody asked you whether quantum mechanics is as it seems. You were asked what the ultimate nature of reality is. You've made half a dozen comments attacking what I wrote and zero times have you actually answered the question. I'm not interested in your personal vendetta against me you unloved little child.

Side: Donuts
BruthaLynch(9) Disputed Banned
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You were asked what the ultimate nature of reality is.

The ultimate nature of reality is something different from the nature of a mere simulation created by aliens. You are no better than Bronto when he espouses simulation theory then confuses it with an argument for something beyond physicality itself.

Side: Something Else