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Suicide is inevitable at times People need to toughen up
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What are your thoughts on suicide?

I must say that suicide is a silly thing. I understand that people get depressed and feel like there's nothing more to live for, but honestly. Killing yourself doesn't only affect you, but it affects everyone around you. I hate saying this, but suicide is almost like a selfish act because you're only thinking of yourself at the time. So, yeah. :P

Suicide is inevitable at times

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I'm not sure if anyone else has personal experience on the subject, but I do. I attempted suicide last year, for reasons that I now consider silly and trivial. People say to me "aren't you glad you're alive and that you didn't die?" but I think this is a malformed question. If I had died, I would have went back to how things were before I was born; in other words...nothingness. I wouldn't have "missed out" on anything because I wouldn't be able to feel any regret. If I knew what I knew now, and went back in time to the day of my suicide attempt, I would have done things differently and obviously not chosen suicide.

Do I regret having attempted suicide? No, I consider it a learning experience.

My position may be extremist, but I don't think people have the right to force other people to remain alive. If someone threatens suicide, they're automatically hospitalized and placed in the mental wing of the hospital. I think it's silly how the government can force someone to remain alive against their will. The government does not have ownership over your life, only you do.

With all of that being said, I do not encourage suicide. I'd personally prefer people didn't do it, and somehow managed to work out their problems themselves.

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Suicide is painless. It brings on many changes

and I can take or leave it if I please.

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I so agree .

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In the cases of extreme mental illness, it becomes an inevitability.

And I never bought the whole "it's a detriment to the people around you" argument. If somebody is in such a poor mental state that suicide is an option, then they were unbearable to the people around them. In these cases, suicide can actually be the best option all around.

God I sound like such a dick when I say that ;)

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Suicide can be inevitable at times. If you are mentaly unstable, or have extreme issues. Many poeple who don't understand what its like. my guess is that many people on the other side have not gone through thinking of sucide.

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People who don't want you to commit suicide are selfish for wanting to keep you around for their own selfish reasons.

Rush hour traffic is so bad that, not only should they make suicide legal, they should randomly pick people and get them to off themselves ;)

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People who don't want you to commit suicide are selfish for wanting to keep you around for their own selfish reasons.

It starts out reasonable...

People who don't want you to commit suicide are selfish for wanting to keep you around for their own selfish reasons.

...and then the Joe effect comes into place :P

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Oh shit... I just realized I highlighted the same thing twice... Now I look like a bloody idiot. Awesome :P

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I don't have the right to tell another person what they can and can't do with their body, but apparently some people think they do. I wouldn't be easily pushed to suicide because I don't believe I get to respawn afterwards, however I would see it as a viable option if I was overcome with serious illness or something happened that was so utterly disastrous I couldn't even fuck off and live in the woods.

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From a purely Satanist point of view it's probably one of the dumbest things you can do; there's only one life, this one, so there's no sense prematurely ending it.

However, I also believe that at times life may become unbareable and it's the only way out.

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It seems people only commit suicide for four reasons:

1. Insanity. In this case it is tragic, but it is also often unavoidable outside of 24/7 restraints--which in many cases may be worse than death. People should mourn their own loss in these instances, but not mourn another's escape from their insanity. The ideal situation of course is a cure. Sometimes there is not one. As of now, this is an unavoidable thing in a certain percent of us people unfortunately. Maybe someday all mental illness will have a cure.

2. A misplaced sense of honor or pride. If you're a samurai and cool as shit, it's still a silly and useless act. If you're a spoiled trust fund baby turned venture capitalist who lost mommy and daddy's fortune and so jumped out a window 1930's style, fuck you and good riddance. This type is utterly avoidable, in the first instance, a waist of a cool ass samurai, in the second, "why avoid it?" I say.

3. Constant pain and unavoidable pending death. In this instance suicide is not any more selfish than eating or sleeping and should be made as comfortable as possible for the individual. It is avoidable, but denying it to someone is cruelty I believe.

4. Momentary insanity. This is the most tragic kind. Maybe a kid tried LSD for the first time and went nuts for a while, maybe someone was in a weird place and just got "curious" about death and took it too far, maybe it was a cry for help that went too far (thought whether that's actually suicide or not is debatable). It's more like a self-inflicted homicide than an act of will. This type too is unavoidable. Sometimes it's just going to happen unfortunately.

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I can guess at the pain and trauma some people have endured, and sometimes it really seems like there is no way out, especially with the present system where many young people are either in debt, still living with their parents or both. Which means you would feel pretty powerless to affect any situation, and you can't have your wn life. A 'glass cage', if you will. Then you have added emotional pressures such as relationships, mental illness, work. Maybe some people can handle less than others, and are put under more pressure (like balloons).

And then you have the one-factor types such as the death of your family/lover, or loss of limbs. People born without limbs should not be compared to people who have lost limbs. It's a huge shock that leads to terrible depression.

You get allsorts of types of suicides. The only people that annoy me are the ones who go diving onto motorways, under cars/trains/trucks. That's plain selfish, for the obvious reasons.

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Sometimes a person thinks that things are not going to get better and will decide to take a quick exit from this world.

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Permanent solution for a temporary problem

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Suicide is a selfish thing, IMO, especially if you're good general health and I feel those that do commit suicide are taking the "easier way out" because life is not a simple and easy thing; whilst suicide is an easy "solution" to opt out of life, it is not proper and wrong. However, if you're placed into a situation where suicide is the better, more comfortable, perhaps even in the sense of martyrdom, then perhaps it is "O-K"; in the sense that in martyrdom you'd be saving others for the price of your life, that's honorable, and if you're on your death bed in a vegetative state I'd say assisted suicide is fine as well, who would want to live like that?

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iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
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This is utter nonsense.

Outside of some mental illness suicide is incredibly hard.

Every fiber of our being, every instinct rebels against it on a level stronger than the need for water when dying of thirst or the need for food when starving.

Regardless of the reason or the outcome, anyone taking this subject seriously must admit at least, that the act of committing suicide is an act of bravery and difficulty the vast, vast majority of humans simply are not capable of.

If you do not believe me, try it.

I'm not saying that because I want you dead personally, I don't know you after all, I'm sure you're okay.

I'm saying it because I don't believe you properly appreciate the finality of death and I'm positive even should you try your hardest some part of you would stop yourself from carrying it out.

It is hard.

Be against it if you want, I disagree with you in many instances.

At least look at it from a realistic perspective though if you truly want to have an intelligent debate about it.

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BookBird101(574) Disputed
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"the act of committing suicide is an act of bravery"

No. Since when does bravery mean giving up and taking the easy way out? Answer, never. It's not an act of bravery, at all because bravery would be trying your best to overcome the problems you're facing.

I mean I get that people feel like serious crap sometimes, but giving up your life isn't how you solve those problems. Sure it may be hard to actually decide to commit suicide, but that doesn't make your actions any less cowardly.

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Lynaldea(1231) Disputed
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Oh david, you're barking as if I don't appreciate death itself and all it's fucking sense; death comes to us all, and we're all just living, waiting to die. What else is there to appreciate? I've come to the conclusion and comfort with that thing called death, coming to get me when it's my time. We all deal with death differently, yet I'm sure you realize this. Then also realize that yes, I'm fucking afraid to die. Not of death itself, but because we have to die alone, I have to die alone, not one person "passes on" with you, just you, just me, just everyone else.

So don't fucking tell me I don't appreciate and understand where I stand with death.

I disagree that suicide is an act of bravery. Living life is a fucking act of bravery, life is hard, life was "given" to you by some unknown force; we know that death is coming and many have seen death in the face. What us humans do not know is what and how we fucking got here in the first place; life chose us to be here and death chooses to take us. Living is hard. I'm not stating that death is easy, however because we know what death is and not what the essence of life is, that complicates things. Does it not?

Once again, like Ismaila you jump the gun, you say "i'm positive even should you try your hardest some part of you would stop yourself from carrying it out." What do you know about me? NOTHING. You see an alias I wrote for myself and you see words onto your screen, nothing more, nothing less.

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I agree that if you're living only because you're hooked up to machines, then death would be a relief. However, in any other context I don't think so. That's why there are Suicide Hotlines and support sites, because if you're feeling suicidal then the first thing you should do is tell someone. Doesn't have to be a friend or family member, just someone who can help really.

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Sitara(11080) Disputed
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Who cares? People have the right to end their pain. You have never been so miserable that you wanted to kill yourself, so how dare you judge.

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Lynaldea(1231) Disputed
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How would you know how miserable or not miserable I've been? You've got no idea, right? You don't know me. I don't know you or any other person on this site. So how dare you judge me, is what I could say, however I won't, there's no point.

And so, If a person is in pain on their death bed and wish to kill themselves, so be it I wouldn't challenge them, it's their life.

If I was in a fucking vegetable-state laying in some odd smelling hospital, with my brains all over the place, not knowing who I am, where I am, and all that I would want someone to end it for me by pulling the plug.

If a person takes a bullet for another, I wouldn't judge them.

If a person wishes to be a martyr (unlike the extreme Muslim way killing innocent people as well) I wouldn't judge them. < - - - This one is a touchy subject...

However, if a person is depressed in a psychological way, with no pain to suffer or psyche pain and wishes to end their life, yes I absolutely believe that's the most extreme form of selfishness there is. Considering that the person probably has family somewhere, or friends (acquaintances) somewhere, what about them? Obviously "it's their lives so don't judge them", however I am a human being and human beings judge day in and day out.

So that david person calls it nonsense, fuck that it's completely logical and rational sense.

And then there's you whom claims I've never been miserable in my life. Sure, I may not have had pain and suffering as fucking third world countries, or perhaps I've not lost as much as others in this life. Am I not allowed to feel pain and misery, and be hurt too?

So Ismaila, you can shove that pointing (how dare you) finger somewhere else. Fuck that noise.

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I completely agree. People who commit suicide are complete imbeciles! IF your wife has just left you and you're feeling down about it, i don't see how jumping off a bridge with a brick attached to your foot is going to solve anything! If you're paralysed and have to have your excrement vacuumed out, then being 'put down' may be the only option. But if you just broke up with your partner or something crap like that, there's no excuse.

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It seems as though this debate is actually considered neutral with mutual understanding of both sides.

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That is very true, although the vast majority of suicides are unnecessary and can easily be resolved with common sense! But yes, you are right in saying so.

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People are people, what they do with their lives is completely up to them, and if they choose to end it then allow them to end it. "It isn't your choice." But it IS your choice to try and understand their feelings. No matter what, it does get better, you have to stick around until then.

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my thoughts on suicide is if you have tried to commit it more than once, it probably isnt for you

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I think suicide isn't the right thing and it is wrong. Once you do it, its permanent and you can't go back. I find it those people who did commit suicide are foolish they couldn't with stand life and they just kill themselves just to escape it? But your not going to be in a better place once you commit suicide.

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Sitara(11080) Disputed
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You know nothing. What kind of god would force someone to be miserable then send them to Hell for seeking relief? Not the kind that I would worship, I will tell you that right now. People have the right to die with dignity.

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people need to toughen up. suicide is an act of attention and stupidity. also when their are videos on youtube or facebook u know all they wanted was for everyone to feel bad for him/her. than even more so when it becomes a whole big thing and everyone who didnt know her try to remember the "even tho i didnts know ______ i would like to remember the good times when _____ was a loving and beatuful person" like go die! no one cares. the people that should be worying about this peson is her family and close friends. everyone else should not comment on her wall and create pages just for attention. people harm themselves to die than why cut?! hmm maybe for attention. the pils u eat u dont see a lasting affect, but with cutting it is an imediate reprensentaion of exactly what u did.

lastly the their is a group of people i like to call them the emo drugy suicidal freeks. but somehow they are considered cool. they listen to bad music post their lives on tumblr and facebook and cut and end up doing the stupidest thing and cutting themsleves.

my final point is that people need to tougen up because odds are ur life is prob not that bad maybe someone called u fat or wothless so what thats one opinion get over it and move on

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riahlize(1573) Disputed
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suicide is an act of attention and stupidity. also when their are videos on youtube or facebook u know all they wanted was for everyone to feel bad for him/her.

How absurd. If that was their intent, don't you think they wouldn't fully go through with suicide? If the intent is to get attention, then it's counter-productive to sincerely attempt or successfully commit suicide.

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You might had some complication in life, and you can't solve it. Then the thought of commit suicide came to you? That's just nonsense, first of all dying won't solve anything and it affects the person around you.So, don't just die yet.

Now, if you face some problem and you endure it, there's a big possibility you might succeed in life. People like Steve Jobs, Walt Disney, Thomas Edison can achieve what they have today because they persevere even during the darkest hour. Things like getting divorce or break ups are not even worth losing your life. "The world is your oyster"," there are more fish in the ocean" giving up your life for another person is ludicrous. Besides think of the person you giving up your life for, what would they feel about themselves, about you......

Also, mentally illness is not an excuse to die. The longer you live the more hope of you recovering. You don't know if there's gonna be a cure for your illness the next day you die. Don't lose hope.

On the whole, killing yourself won't bring any positive effect to yourself and others. Toughen up and never take the easy way out. " When things get harder, make yourself become stronger."

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Suicide is like quitting on the game of life. You permanently restrict yourself of any possible experiences you might experience in the living world. Therefore you still turn out to be a loser.

In Atheist context you turn into nothingness therefore it is detrimental. In Christian context you go to hell which is detrimental as well. So suicide is not an option since it only leads to even more sorrow.

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I do think that people should have a choice to die, but not in the way of suicide but of euthanasia at least then you can prepare the people around you who love you. I think it is wrong to commit suicide and like someone already said is very selfish on the people who love you. Honestly if you are thinking of committing suicide because you don't like your life and you don't have so horrible disease that will slowly get worse DO NOT commit suicide just suck it up and do something else to make your life better, suicide isn't the only option.

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