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The Chicken The Egg
Debate Score:87
Arguments:55
Total Votes:117
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 The Chicken (27)
 
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What came first? The chicken or the egg?

Let's get deep here people...

The Chicken

Side Score: 34
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The Egg

Side Score: 53
2 points

The chicken, The Bible said God placed two of every animal on the earth to make his world plentiful and luscious. Animal not egg

Side: The Chicken

the answer is they are both intrinsic to the field,ie the print in this message is black,but without any contrasting white you wouldnt see it.

yin yang zen buddhism alan watts

Side: The Chicken
TyTheTiger(104) Disputed
1 point

Interesting comparison, but one problem.

Yin-Yang is simultaneous while chicken-egg is linear.

Side: The Egg
headphoneguy(3) Disputed
1 point

the chikin hee hee or the egg which one came first well I believe we're missing a rooster

Side: The Egg
1 point

Chicken comes first before egg because chicken egg is phrased in this way not egg chicken.

Side: The Chicken

lets look at the big picture for a second. can the chicken exist without beforehand being an egg? No. Can the egg exist without the help of a chicken? No. therefore, I conclude that the chicken and the egg started existing at the exact same time. one cannot exist without the other. i am not a religious person, but i do believe there is something more sublime and beautiful that made this so. think about it. if you controlled a universe, wouldnt you do the same?

Side: the chicken and the egg came together
1 point

Because go created all living things and the egg is not living yet...

Side: The Chicken
1 point

As we see that things are dependent on the condition of continual change, we see that there is a permanent state of impermanence, an appearance of the process of arising and cessation, emergence and decay, cause and result of composite phenomena. Things do not come from somewhere and they do not go anywhere, in this way there is no first cause or final result. Just the appearance of things in a moment of time when we observe it and designate a definition to it, but in fact all experience is a continuum of changing moments of dependently appearing phenomena. If the chicken came first, it would have arisen without the cause of egg and therefore would have to have arisen without a cause at all and be independent phenomena that would always have existed. This is the same with the egg; it would not have had the cause of chicken to have arisen from and so would have to have been ever present and unchanging as the egg. If they arose simultaneously, they would not have time to be each other’s cause and result. They would exist independently with no causal relationship. Therefore we can say that the condition of the appearance of chicken and egg, as well as the concept of linear classification or time, is merely a snapshot of a moment of observation of a continually changing set of conditions or happenings that only appears as one thing, but actually has no core continuous substance to it. We confuse individual entities in a continuum for one thing. Therefore no real moment of chicken and no real moment of egg in order to assert which came first, neither came first. In fact the chicken, as well as the egg is a collection. Where is the chicken to point to as a cause? It is only a collection of its many parts that make the appearance of its physical body, and it is dependent on our perception of it to appear. Therefore no real chicken exists, only the appearance of the composite phenomena that make up what we can refer to as chicken. It is the same for egg, and every other phenomenon that appears. Their true nature is appearance –emptiness inseparable and transcends conceptual fabrications

Side: The Chicken
1 point

In order for the Egg to come before the chicken a chicken would of had to lay the egg.

Side: The Chicken
0 points

of course... use comon sense!

with out chickens there would be no eggs at all...

so chickens comes first than eggs!!!

Side: The Chicken
lights599(2) Disputed
1 point

that a good question ill be sure to ask god when i get there.........

Side: The Chicken
0 points

chickens... HENS makes the eggs warm with out any chicken at all... how will eggs turn into a chicken without any hens taking care of it...

WE DONT WANT A DEAD CHICKEN HERE!

Side: The Chicken
0 points

the answer is they are both intrinsic to the field,ie the print in this message is black,but without any contrasting white you wouldnt see it.

yin yang zen buddhism alan watts

Side: The Egg
0 points

Chicken came first, the egg was still hatching.

Side: The Chicken
-1 points
I think the chicken clearly had to come first. When God created the earth he created all the animals of the land and sea and birds of the sky. I can't imagine he would just create an egg and leave it to hatch with no chicken to care for it.
Side: The Chicken
Blacklaser(56) Disputed
1 point

How dare you assume you know God's reasoning? Blasphemous.

As soon as you bring God into this debate your argument is null and void since, by God's nature, it is impossible to know what he did or what his intentions were. This entails that the only way this debate can come to a conclusion is through science because science actually deals with things that can be known.

Side: The Egg
2 points

"How dare you assume you know God's reasoning? Blasphemous"...

Great argument. And how other way to rebutt an absurd argument than with another absurd argument? "Oh, God must have thought of this because he is good" Re: "Oh, you think you can think like God!? Blasphemous"!

Side: The Egg
1 point

SUPPORTTTT. Because chicken can evolve from other species, and before we got to know egg, there are other animals that existed and chicken can evolve from it.

Meaning:

Animal X -> Evolution -> Chicken -> Egg -> Chicken again.

BUT converse does not hold true.

Egg -> Chicken (????!!!!)

Side: The Chicken
-1 points
I totally 100 % agree.
Side: The Chicken
-1 points
Great point.... what would a little baby chick do on it's own?? I agree!
Side: The Chicken
candycraze1(1) Disputed
2 points

Thank you who ever said the chicken came fist. Of course it did. God made the chicken and the chicken made the egg.

It's that simple!

Side: The Egg
-1 points
As with most creatures, I believe the chicken evolved from something else, as did the way it reproduced. If I had to take a gander, I would say both the "chicken" and the "egg" were present before they officially became the species as you see it today.
Side: The Chicken
Blacklaser(56) Disputed
0 points

You make a good point but missed the fact that eggs were a very common means of reproduction way before birds even started to evolve, thus the egg clearly came first.

Side: The Egg
-1 points

The chicken, as evolution would suggest to me that the first primative life forms arose from chemical reactions in the primordial soup of the Earth, and they were not eggs or anything that would hatch into life eventually.

Side: The Chicken
Blacklaser(56) Disputed
1 point

You need to brush up on your knowledge of evolution as well as the origin of life, those are two very different things and your intermingling them leads you to a faulty conclusion. (See the arguments on other side for details)

Side: The Egg
-1 points

chickens came first before eggs...

as it states in the bible...

god created the world in seven days...

he created chickens but not EGGS!!!

Side: The Chicken
6 points
C'mon people?! the chicken evolved, like every other species. Eggs were already popular for reproduction by many species way before birds evolved.
I rest my case.
Side: The Egg
2 points

Your argument hit the nail on the head, since the question doesn't specify exactly which kind of egg, the egg came first without any doubt.

Side: The Egg
headphoneguy(3) Disputed
1 point

sorry but you are wrong actually if you take this stance you are inherently saying that the egg came first " eggs were already popular for reproduction"

and again where's the rooster in this question i would really love to know

Side: The Chicken
DebateMan(471) Disputed
-1 points
So what laid the egg that a chicken popped out of? You can't possibly think that a pterodactyl laid an egg one day and a freakin chicken popped out. Imagine the mother's surprise!
Side: The Chicken
hseldon10(10) Disputed
3 points

"So what laid the egg that a chicken popped out of? You can't possibly think that a pterodactyl laid an egg one day and a freakin chicken popped out. Imagine the mother's surprise! "

This is not at all how evolution works. A "proto-chicken" laid the egg for a chicken... And who laid the egg for the first "proto-chicken"... Some sort of proto-proto chicken... And in a long lineage, somehow, dinosaurs and chickens may be related. But it is not a "spontaneous" sort of thing.

Side: The Egg
mb96net(9) Disputed
2 points

I am always amazed by how few people actually understand evolution. Reptiles had eggs way before chickens. The egg came first. I'll use simple words so you understand...A long time ago a reptile that shared 99.9999999% of its genes with an ancient bird type creature had a baby that mutated into that bird type creature. Maybe that ancient bird type creature was only 99.999% like a chicken, but it had baby birds and one of it's great great great great grand baby birds had a baby that mutated to be more like a chicken (maybe 99.999999% like a chicken). Eventually its lineage mutated into a chicken.

A single animal does not evolve, but it's offspring could mutate and that mutation could benefit it by helping it survive in someway (or not).

The thing that people usually still don't understand at this point is "OK, then which came first the reptile or the egg". If you follow this back eventually there was a multi celled organism that had mutated to produce it's offspring encased in a membrane sack which wasn't exactly like an egg that we think of today, but it was the beginning of an egg. Then it's offspring mutated to create a hard shelled membrane sack for it's offspring. Eventually the mutations made the egg that we know today.

Side: The Egg
4 points
The first chicken would have had parents that weren't chickens. Some genetic mutation or random DNA blending would have caused their offspring to be different. So the first thing we could consider a chicken would be whatever was in the egg those pre-chickens gave birth to. In other words, evolution says the egg came first.
Side: The Egg
3 points

Definitely the egg, I back up the statement ahead of me which states that eggs were around long before chickens were around.

Side: The Egg
2 points

Due to the evolutionary process, it can be said that there was once an egg from non-chicken parents that gave us a chicken. How do we define this egg, then? It seems much fairer to define the egg by what it is than by where it comes from. Hence, since a chicken zygote is inside it, it is to be considered a chicken egg, and thus the egg came first.

Supporting Evidence: Source (science.howstuffworks.com)
Side: The Egg
2 points

ofcourse the egg comes first...

as it says in the bible that easter eggs is a symbolism of the beggining of life... so that means that the egg comes first than chickens...

the question "what came first? the chicken or the egg?"

it would be nicer if the question would be "which came first? the chicken or the chicken egg?"

and god didnt create the world in seven days... he created the world in hundreds... thousands... of years... so that mean there are creatures who lived before chicken do... dinasours.. they lay eggs... so eggs came first than chicken!

or maybe... a dinasour layed an egg and hatched into a chicken XDDD ahahaha...

see... chickens are abnormal ^____^

Side: The Egg
2 points

Well, it’s still unclear whether chicken eggs or chickens came first (the intended question in the original riddle), said Darla Zelenitsky, a paleontologist of the University of Calgary in Alberta who was the first scientist to closely analyze the dinosaur nest.

But interpreted literally, the answer to the riddle is clear. Dinosaurs were forming bird-like nests and laying bird-like eggs long before birds (including chickens) evolved from dinosaurs.

"The egg came before the chicken," Zelenitsky said. "Chickens evolved well after the meat-eating dinosaurs that laid these eggs."

So the original riddle might now be rephrased: Which came first, the dinosaur or the egg? Meanwhile, the new nest provides some of the strongest evidence in North America in favor of the bird-like egg over the chicken.

Supporting Evidence: Which Came First? Eggs Before Chickens, Scientists Now Say (www.livescience.com)
Side: The Egg
2 points

I have two points. First: The question did not specify a chicken egg. Prehistoric fish, ones that existed before land animals, probably laid eggs like modern fish. And even if they didn't, you have amphibians, reptiles, insects, and dinosaurs to think about before birds came along.

Second, if it did mean chicken eggs, the process of evolution would have made the egg come first. Evolution works this way: if a mutation appeared that made the animal more successful, it would probably survive to produce many, many little animals with either the same mutation or heterzygous for a recessive trait. When these animals produce little animals, they will have the mutation. And they'll succeed too, and the process repeats. Well, the first modern chicken must have come from two parents who were heterozygous for the last recessive trait, or else they would be the first chickens. And a chicken is an eggs before it is a chicken. Therefore, the egg before the chicken.

Side: The Egg

The chicken came first and it was hatched from an egg that was NOT a chicken egg. ;)

Side: The Egg
1 point
From a totally evolutionary standpoint, the mutation necessary to create the species of chicken must have occured in either the reproductive organs of the parents of the chicken or during the growth in the egg. Either way, the first evidence of a new species would be in the egg.
EDIT: Nevermind, I didn't see badbee's argument.
Side: The Egg
1 point

This question is def undefined! without the chicken there can be no egg and without an egg there can be no chicken, so how can you be so positive about which came first.

Side: The Egg

Oh so where did eggs come from? Chickens? No.

Dinosaurs laid eggs, they were here before chickens. Egg wins.

Side: The Egg
Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
1 point

We are talking about chicken eggs not dinosaur eggs.

Side: The Chicken
1 point

the egg came first coz i lyk eggs and chicks

Side: The Egg
1 point

Living things can only evolve through changes in their DNA; they cannot evolve once they have been born and are roaming the Earth. For example, one of us isn't going to wake up one morning with an extra toe - it's just not going to happen. In an animal, such as a chicken, DNA from a male and female chicken meet and combine, forming a zygote. A zygote is a fertilized egg and is the first cell of a new baby chicken. So, the first cell divides countless times to form all of the cells of a complete chicken. Every cell contains exactly the same DNA - the DNA from the zygote - the original cell.

Chickens evolved one of two ways: from non-chickens or by mutations. Chickens could have evolved from non-chickens through small changes. This is caused by the mixing of male and female DNA of non-chickens. Mutations to the DNA could have produced a zygote resulting in chicken evolution. However, these changes and mutations can only affect the chicken at the point where a new zygote is created. This means that two non-chickens mated and the DNA in the new zygote contained the mutations. That one, little zygote cell divided, and divided, and divided, producing the first real chicken.

Before that first real chicken zygote, only non-chickens existed. The zygote cell is located in the chicken's egg. Because the zygote cell is the only place where DNA mutations can produce a new animal, the egg came before the chicken.

Side: The Egg
Avedomni(78) Disputed
2 points

Two problems with this:

1) Your method of classifying the "first real chicken" raises the problem that any offspring from that "first real chicken" would necessarily be hybrids with the non-chicken species from which it developed, and the "real chicken-ness" of each successive generation would be diluted so that nothing alive today could really be considered a chicken. The problem, of course, is that evolution of species doesn't occur on an individual level; there was no "first real chicken", there was just a gradual change in a population so that, over time, they came to resemble the creatures that today we call chickens.

2) This problem is just one of definitions. Specifically, even taking the rest of your argument as correct, you fail to clarify why a chicken egg is "an egg from which a chicken would hatch" as opposed to "an egg laid by a chicken", and this is really where the solution to the whole chicken/egg question lies: If a chicken egg is an egg from which a chicken would hatch, then the egg came first (else there would have been a chicken, and it would have hatched from an egg, thereby making that egg a chicken egg); if a chicken egg is an egg laid by a chicken, then the chicken came first (else it would have hatched from a chicken egg, which would necessarily have had to have been laid by a chicken).

Side: Define chicken egg
1 point

i was thinking the chicken came first... then i read everyones view.. my conclusion.. the egg came first..

it makes sense.. the first living organism was probably a cell, more like an egg than a chicken.. then it evolved maybe about a million times to finally create a chicken.. ..

Side: The Egg
1 point

The egg came first because, I searched on the internet and all of the scientific reasons say that the egg came first because the chickens evovled from non-chickens and the egg made the first chicken.

Side: The Egg
memytgrl1950(1) Disputed
0 points

There are many theories to the chicken and egg issue... I have read where the chicken egg evolved from a reptile coupled with mutation. So, the chicken egg came before the chicken. That being said, from the onset of time and life, which came first? from the first breathe of life on earth, and when the first animal came from cell division, which came first? the egg or the life form?

Side: The Chicken
1 point

The egg came first because the amount of prehistoric birds there were you could have evolution and or mutation so the prehistoric bird would lay a chicken egg.

Side: The Egg
Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
1 point

Actually the prehistoric bird would lay a mutated prehistoric bird egg that hatched to become a chicken.

Side: The Chicken
1 point

As we see that things are dependent on the condition of continual change, we see that there is a permanent state of impermanence, an appearance of the process of arising and cessation, emergence and decay, cause and result of composite phenomena. Things do not come from somewhere and they do not go anywhere, in this way there is no first cause or final result. Just the appearance of things in a moment of time when we observe it and designate a definition to it, but in fact all experience is a continuum of changing moments of dependently appearing phenomena. If the chicken came first, it would have arisen without the cause of egg and therefore would have to have arisen without a cause at all and be independent phenomena that would always have existed. This is the same with the egg; it would not have had the cause of chicken to have arisen from and so would have to have been ever present and unchanging as the egg. If they arose simultaneously, they would not have time to be each other’s cause and result. They would exist independently with no causal relationship. Therefore we can say that the condition of the appearance of chicken and egg, as well as the concept of linear classification or time, is merely a snapshot of a moment of observation of a continually changing set of conditions or happenings that only appears as one thing, but actually has no core continuous substance to it. We confuse individual entities in a continuum for one thing. Therefore no real moment of chicken and no real moment of egg in order to assert which came first, neither came first. In fact the chicken, as well as the egg is a collection. Where is the chicken to point to as a cause? It is only a collection of its many parts that make the appearance of its physical body, and it is dependent on our perception of it to appear. Therefore no real chicken exists, only the appearance of the composite phenomena that make up what we can refer to as chicken. It is the same for egg, and every other phenomenon that appears. Their true nature is appearance –emptiness inseparable and transcends conceptual fabrications

Side: The Egg