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Investigation THEN facts Facts, THEN an investigation
Debate Score:34
Arguments:19
Total Votes:36
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What comes first? The chicken or the egg.. What comes first? FACTS, or an investigation.

Investigation THEN facts

Side Score: 18
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Facts, THEN an investigation

Side Score: 16
4 points

In this case it's immaterial which comes first as the Progressives never let the facts influence the result of an investigation.

What's happening here is that the outcome of this so called investigation has been predetermined and the engineering of fictitious evidence is now well under way accompanied with the character assassination of Trump by the standard torrent of unsubstantiated accusations.

Innuendos, such as, 'we've identified a ''person of interest'' we would like to interview are being issued with the aim of creating the illusion that there is some substance to the witch hunt.

If proper information existed the investors would invite this mysterious person to answer their questions and not warn them of his/her impending interrogation.

''To be forewarned is to be forearmed''.

Side: Investigation THEN facts
3 points

Investigation without facts is were the Progressives are today !!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Investigation THEN facts
3 points

Update;- My sources inform me speculation is growing that the ''significant person of interest'' is Jared Kushner, Trumps son-in-law and aide.

I'm also informed that subpoenas are about to be issued to those being probed, including Kushner, with the intention of interviews being carried out under oath.

The whole vindictive witch hunt is shaping up to be an episode of epic proportions.

This ''affair of the long knives'', all of which are destined to be sunk right between Trump's shoulder blades, is evidence that it doesn't pay to challenge the sinister forces of the nation's security forces.

All the while America's overseas image is taking a nose dive much to the annoyance to it's allies but to the delight of it's enemies.

Side: Investigation THEN facts

Facts exist, even before we find them, but it only becomes a "fact" after we find them, through investigation.

Side: Investigation THEN facts

we only call it a fact after a discovery we make, before we finding it, it was just another process of the universe and we chose to name it a "fact"

Side: Investigation THEN facts
1 point

It's interesting that you choose a riddle with no obvious correct answer to introduce a question which also has no obvious correct answer.

You can't have a chicken without an egg first, but you can't have an egg without a chicken first.

Likewise, you can't confirm a fact without an investigation, but you can't trigger an investigation unless there is pretty good evidence you need to prove or disprove something first.

So basically, the debate you launched thinking it would promote your political side really only confirms it's complicated and now we need to sort it out. You shot yourself in the foot.

Side: Investigation THEN facts
1 point

One must have an investigation to have true facts. Until then it is merely speculation.

Side: Investigation THEN facts
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

Progressives have been merely speculating up to now as you have written ! LMMFAO

Side: Facts, THEN an investigation
Mint_tea(4641) Disputed
1 point

Which is why they are conducting an investigation. I'm not sure why you are surprised at it.

Side: Investigation THEN facts
1 point

Elmo came first. *

Side: Investigation THEN facts
3 points

Facts don't work for you Progressives because facts are to scary for you to accept !

Side: Facts, THEN an investigation
Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

Too *

Side: Investigation THEN facts
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
2 points

Facts are Facts SouthPark ! You have a problem with facts ?

Side: Facts, THEN an investigation
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
2 points

SouthPark cannot defend any position only hit and run LMMFAO !

Side: Investigation THEN facts
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
2 points

SouthPark when have you become relevant to any conversation ?

Side: Facts, THEN an investigation
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
2 points

Mills College in Oakland , California is doing well under Governor Moonbeam LMMFAO !

Side: Facts, THEN an investigation
3 points

Investigations uncover facts.

Here is a fact: Obama began an investigation into Russian hacking nearly one year ago. NO facts nor any evidence has been uncovered.

Here is another fact: Since the election, Obama began another investigation into Trump-Russia connections. Again NO facts were uncovered.

Further investigations are a waste of time, resources and focus.

Who is apposed to making America great again?

Side: Facts, THEN an investigation

Facts exist whether there is an investigation or not. And even if there is an investigation, there is no guarantee that it finds the facts, and sometimes it yields a false result.

Side: Facts, THEN an investigation