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What do atheists say would be 'proof of God'?

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2 points

If he would lodge $10 billion into my Swiss Bank Account I'd be a believer instantly.

Side: AA

Proof of an animate, living, human like (but with superpowers) being, would be, by definition of our scientific proofs, impossible.

Imagine your locked in a castle spire, you have never left the castle nor can you look outside, all information is gained through testing and scribing evidence in a book. You are told no intelligent being exists outside of the castle but you suspect that is untrue. So naturally you start to perform experiments. One day someone or something bangs on the castle walls. Obviously something intelligent is trying to communicate, so you assert that this intelligence is communicating with you, and you try to prove this thusly. The banging continues day after day with varying degrees of strength, until you are able to decipher a code. This code gives you information you believe is trying to contact you and you spend your life deciphering this language, and it has given many revelations. Now your an old man, and somehow you manage to pry a brick you’ve been working on for many years, and it leads you outside. Excited to talk to your friend, you run around to the area outside the wall that was the source of the code, and find a large tree, swaying in the wind that has been growing and running the castle wall for years.

Side: AA
2 points

Proof is not some subjective idea. Proof is something that shows beyond doubt that something is true. If you can make an argument which shows that God must exist beyond doubt, then that will be proof of God. You don't necessarily have to utilize scientific evidence, as long as there is a coherent, logical, and valid argument that concludes with the existence of God.

Side: BB
Viceregent(413) Disputed
1 point

Who gets to determine "doubt", uneducated mental midget? These fools need to stop typing.

Side: AA
Mack(534) Disputed
2 points

If an argument can be doubted it means that it is possible that the conclusion is not true. Logic will determine this.

Side: BB
1 point

proof. noun. evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement.

evidence. noun. the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

truth. noun. that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.

fact. noun. a thing that is known or proved to be true.

reality. noun. 1. the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them. 2. the state or quality of having existence or substance. 3. existence that is absolute, self-sufficient, or objective, and not subject to human decisions or conventions.

In other words, actual verifiable, falsifiable, experimental, observable or deducible information that authenticates the claim that there is a God. Here is a list of things that are not proof:

1. Unfalsifiable abstract ideas

2. Whimsical notions

3. Fantastical stories

4. A collection of rambling writings gathered from the ancient world, often written centuries after the supposed events, edited by who-knows-who how-many-times.

5. The earnest promise of a paster or pope. "It's true, I swear it" doesn't cut the mustard.

666. Threats of eternal torture

7. Apologist spin-doctoring

Side: BB