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 What do you think "Economic Freedom" means? (9)

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What do you think "Economic Freedom" means?

Does economic freedom mean you are able to do anything if you work hard enough? Or does it mean something else?
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Does economic freedom mean you are able to do anything if you work hard enough? Or does it mean something else?

So you are asking us whether "economic freedom" actually means freedom?

No, and I'm glad you mentioned it, because it is a marvellous illustration of how crooks like you have seized language and intentionally wrapped it around your own batshit ideology. Obviously people do not have economic freedom because the very idea is contradictory to the central tenet of capitalism, in which capital is required to enter and succeed in the market. Moreover, as time passes, the amount of capital required to enter and succeed in the market increases proportionally, further ostracising the poor and creating a national wealth divide.

Amarel(4684) Clarified
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So you are asking us whether "economic freedom" actually means freedom?

Does this mean you do believe that economic freedom is being able to do whatever you want to do?

Ability is not the same as freedom in the economic or political sense. The fact that you are free to create Microsoft doesn’t mean you have the ability to.

Obviously people do not have economic freedom because the very idea is contradictory to the central tenet of capitalism

No it isn’t. Reduced interference is the only form of freedom that has any realistic coherence. Capitalism relies on voluntary interactions. That’s economic freedom. There’s no such thing as laissez faire socialism.

in which capital is required to enter and succeed in the market

If by “capital” you mean “means of production”, then any manner of ability is a form of capital. Yeah, you do need some kind of ability to succeed. If by “capital” you mean “physical equipment”, then you are completely wrong. There are numerous ways to succeed in a free market.

Moreover, as time passes...

You wouldn’t sound so stupid if you stopped repeating predictions made in the late 1800’s that were immediately debunked within a few decades.

BurritoLunch(1253) Clarified
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Does this mean you do believe that economic freedom is being able to do whatever you want to do?

You cannot arbitrarily redefine what the word "freedom" means you duplicitous snake. It means what it means.

Ability is not the same as freedom

This is a logical fallacy known as straw man argumentation, which you happen to use a lot. I did not make the claim that ability is the same as freedom and hence you are attacking an argument (i.e. straw man) which has never been made.

No it isn’t.

Yes it is. I explained why. Spend less time writing spectacularly fallacious replies and more time reading the things you reply to.

Reduced interference is the only form of freedom that has any realistic coherence

This sentence literally doesn't mean anything. It appears as though you are trying to persuade us that freedom is a grading scale rather than a state of being. You are either free or you are not free. There is no inbetween. Shut up.

Capitalism relies on voluntary interactions.

No, it does not. This is absurdly inaccurate rubbish. Capitalism coerces people to enter those interactions to acquire food, shelter and other resources. They are about as voluntary as Nazism in 1942 Berlin.

There’s no such thing as laissez faire socialism.

Another straw man argument. Boring.

If by “capital” you mean “means of production”,

I mean capital you fucking idiot.

The very term "economic freedom" is a throwback to the time when the king and/or queen controlled everything, and all transactions were at their discretion. Through the advent of capitalism society became free of the influence of the monarchy, not free in a literal sense.

You're an idiot. Shut the fuck up.

Amarel(4684) Disputed
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”Does economic freedom mean you are able to do anything if you work hard enough?”

So you are asking us whether "economic freedom" actually means freedom?

Is a person living in a state of nature, without laws, free?

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It means something else.

Amarel(4684) Clarified
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What is that something else ?

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What is that something else ?

Obviously something other than freedom.

Mingiwuwu(1711) Clarified
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Economic Freedom means the freedom to prey on the poor. It means genuine freedom for the rich and genuine tyranny unto the poor. This isn't a Kritik to Capitalism, I am not a Communist. I simply admit what Economic Freedom is and that taming it is essential to keep the system fair on the poor.