Women have every right in the world to decide what is best for them. If a woman feels that having a child will make her life way more difficult, or that the environment around is not right for having a baby, or whatever reason for that matter, she has the right to have an abortion. And please don't serve us the "assuming your decisions" or "murdering a baby" speech. What about "wrecking a woman's and her unwanted child's life?" Let's not forget that it's men's sperm that actually makes babies, and women have to live with the result of guys not taking their responsibilities more often than not. This debate should be titled "should guys take their responsibilities and put on condoms and talk about sex with their partners in an open way and not just "do it"". I'm a male, by the way.
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But I believe it is a human being, and wether you like it or not, it is killing human beings. Classic contradiction. but I think in rare cases like women who're raped, and then get pregnant, I fully respect and understand their decission on removing the baby. You respect their decision to, in your words, murder a baby? What makes a baby's life less important than the mother? I mean, because you said that it is killing. Would you shoot a newborn in the head if the only way the mother would live was if the baby was dead? (let's say she's being held hostage and she doesn't really care for the baby and tells you to do it.) Exactly. You can't say that it's murder and be for abortion in some circumstances, because to you, the termination of a pregnancy is murder, and even if the mother was raped, it's still the murder of a child (to you). (I'm pro-choice, by the way.)
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In this case you can be against abortion, for abortion and you can sertainly be in the middle. I don't think a 30 year old married couple should ever be allowed to have an abortion, unless pregnancy could the mother, and yes, I think a mothers life should be the first priority. You respect their decision to, in your words, murder a baby? What makes a baby's life less important than the mother? I mean, because you said that it is killing. I respect their removing their child, because I can't place myself in a situation like that. Have you ever been in that situation? I haven't, so Im not gonna make an opinion it. The baby is not less valueable if the dad is a raper, but I can't imagine how hard it would be having that baby. Most people who are against abortion say: If you are ready to have sex, you should also be ready to have children But in a case where the woman is raped, it was never her choise to have sex or get pregnant. A life after being raped, is horrible, or at least I can imagine the emptiness afterwards, and I don't think it'll do any good for the woman's healingprocess to being forced to have her rapers child. Would you shoot a newborn in the head if the only way the mother would live was if the baby was dead? (let's say she's being held hostage and she doesn't really care for the baby and tells you to do it.) I doubt I would ever be in that position for 1 simple reason. When a woman have her child, she developes a hormon that makes her love her child, and put the childs need before her own. Abortion = murder no matter how the fetus got there, it still is. But I think there are exceptions, when it comes to abortions
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This is the most jarbled, stupid, incoherent piece of text I've ever had the misfortune of reading. Please, before you try to refute someone next time, try to read what they actually said, and don't just go off into la-la land. Abortion = murder Okay. no matter how the fetus got there, it still is. So far, your train of thought is consistent and clear. But I think there are exceptions, when it comes to abortions What?! You just said it was murder! How can you stand killing a human being in some situations? And please, purchase a dictionary. Your spelling is more abysmal than the Holocaust.
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Your spelling is more abysmal than the Holocaust. Well, Im very sorry, Im not from an english speaking contrey, so that might explain why my spelling is messed up. What?! You just said it was murder! How can you stand killing a human being in some situations? I don't even wanna reply this, I think I already have. Yes, I think abortion is okay in some conditions.
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We're not born 9 months old. You inherit your rights as a human and not a parasitic leech the moment you can sustain yourself outside of the host relationship you have with your mother. Before that, you're more on par with a period clot.
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Not born 9 months old? then what? the timer of our existens is just reset?
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I think we shouldn't have abortion. Its still killing of a baby and all humans have a right to live. Every baby is precious when it comes into this life. There is no need to abort a baby. If you don't want the baby don't abort it take it to a foster home or put it up for adoption.
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I totally think you're right. But giving you're child away is often said to be waay harder than to abort it. I mean imagine if it was you who should give it away, it would be hard. But again, I think thats a bad and egoistic argument. To kill a baby to spare yourself from that is not a very good option.
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I go back and forth on the morality of abortion. While it seems wrong at times, at other times I really don't care. It is a living thing, no doubt. It has individual DNA, of course. But is it really a person that must be protected by the law when it's inside the mother? I don't think so. Even if I end up finding abortion to be "wrong," I will not ask for the government to regulate what women can do with a thing inside of their own bodies. This is between the woman, the fetus, the doctor, and their conscious. A government policing our bodies is a far worse injustice than a woman aborting her fetus.
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I can not agree more. This is exactly what I meant, unfortunally Im not from an english speaking country, and it can be hard to express myself sometime.
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Abortion is absolutely okay when a woman has medical complications. That is not questionable, and I can't see what counterarguments someone could possibly have for that. Abortion in the case of rape is also mostly okay. While I understand the argument that the baby didn't do anything and that giving a baby up for adoption is a possibility, it's also important to keep in mind that rape is very disempowering, and forcing a woman to carry a baby is even more so. Also, it's possible that the mother may not just lack the resources to care for a baby, but also the resources to handle a pregnancy. Like I said, adoption is an acceptable possibility, but it's also not always a simple process. I admit that teenagers who were just being careless shouldn't just be able to use abortion as a means of escaping what they did wrong, but the truth is that it's a hdd decision for anyone, and hopefully the person will still come out of the situation understanding the consequences of her actions.
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In the previous time I was not against of abortion, because there are so many unwanted children! They live in the streets, beg and rob. Or they are used as a donor for organ transplantation. But now I understand that abortion it is not the solution of the problem, abortion is killing! I think that nobody have this right! Every child has a Chance to appear in this world! The future life of this child will be depend on destiny and his own decisions.
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But are you like 100% against abortion, or is there exeptions like rape or the mothers life is in danger if she keeps the baby?
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I'm very much for abortion, and I have no doubt in my mind that if I were to find out I'm pregnant tomorrow I'd go have one. Because I'm careful, I take birth control on time everyday. So if I'm being responsible why should I be forced to take care of a child that I'm not ready for. Or give up my child to someone else. The only time that abortion should be stopped is if the woman is being completely irresponsible and gets multiple ones. And I hate to put it all the woman... But it's her body kind of thing.
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If you don't want a child, don't have sex. sex = pregnancy. Thats a fact, even thou you use multible protections you still can. Just the fact that you know that, makes you irresponsible.. do you follow me? :)
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Sex does not always equal pregnancy, even without birth control. And if it was just that simple, then I highly doubt that sex would be such a pleasurable act. It doesn't make you irresponsible to have sex, it makes you human.
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If you think that taking birt controls and whatever you use, makes you unable to have children. Think again! You can read it on the package of the condom and on the package of the pills, that you can still get pregnant. But if you think its okay to kill a child, just becouse you were responsible enough to take the pill, then you should just do that :)
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You completely missed what I said... I'm not stupid, I don't think that birth control is completely effective, that wasn't my point at all. My point was that sex doesn't always mean a pregnancy. Even if you're not on any form of birth control, it's difficult to get pregnant for most people. And it's highly debatable whether a fetus is a child. I personally don't see it that way. But even if I did, I would still see abortion as a completely okay option. It's better than putting a child into a terrible life.
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yeah.. lets kill all the babies, to spare them from this horror.
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Yeah, that's what I think. Kill them so they don't have to suffer for their whole life. And you being sarcastic won't guilt me into changing my opinion :)
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Well Im being sarcastic, but not to change your mind, more to prove my own point.
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Then say your point. Being sarcastic doesn't accomplish much in a debate.
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My sarcasm comes in handy from time to time :) And second thing, I don't wanna tell you my point anymore!
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It doesn't make you irresponsible to have sex, it makes you human. I just came here to say how much I agree with that sentence. Sexuality is a pretty awesome thing, and should definitely be able to be enjoyed as long as it is done safely. :)
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Well, i don't think abortions should be allowed. If a woman has managed to get pregnant, then the child is her responsibility. It doesn't matter if it co-insides with your career. That is no excuse, no one should put their job before their baby. Of course if a woman is raped, and ends up pregnant, or there are complications (great pain, or too young), an abortion can be initiated. But if a 20+ average woman is going to have a baby, then she should keep it.
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What if they're raped by their drunk father and the child has a disease that it will die of before it's a week old and the pregnant woman has a 90% chance of dying during birth?
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Then abort the child ............................................
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I believe abortion is a completely gray topic that too many people make black and white. Very simply, the question over abortion is the question of where humanity starts. Objectively, the qualities of a person that makes a person human is our consciousness and emotional reasoning of our environment. Since this is what makes us human, having a genuine consciousness, what some call a 'soul', should be the point of measurement. Which brings me to my argument against pro-life: If it doesn't have a consciousness, it's not human. Is my arm a human being if severed from my body? No, it has no consciousness. Therefore, there is no reason to assume a clump of cells without brainwaves is a human being. Is it made of human cells? Sure, but there is no measure of a consciousness, or 'soul' other then brain waves. If you believe a soul exists within a brainless fetus without proof, then your opinion has no objective place in this topic. And this also brings me towards my neutrality. There is a point in fetal development in which the fetus develops a brain and active brainwaves. Since we can measure it's brainwaves, we have proof that is has a consciousness after this point. If it has a consciousness, we can definitively presume it has a 'soul' and is human. Which brings me to my point against pro-choice: if it has a consciousness, it's a human being. Killing a human being is murder. Aborting a fetus after the point it has developed a consciousness is therefore murder. The choice over your own body is invalid if it involves the choice over another human being's body. Who are you to choose if a human being lives or dies? It has a consciousness. If it was aware, you can be completely sure that it would object to the choice to kill it, no matter it's intelligence. To sum it all up, therefore, I believe that aborting a fetus before it develops a brain is completely okay and there should be no issue with it, but the abortion of a fetus after it has developed a consciousness is essentially the killing of a human being and should be considered such. Believing pro-choice or pro-life, in my opinion, is completely silly. Both sides when taking 'humanity' into consideration are silly. The only real answer I can see is a middle ground. Thus, I believe in a middle opinion on abortion.
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Which brings me to my argument against pro-life: If it doesn't have a consciousness, it's not human. It dosen't matter if its a human at the moment. If it is going to be a human, it has rights. You make it sound like woman are carrying a brain, and not a person. And second thing, I don't think we're here to decide wich people are human and wich are not. I believe I've always been a human, also when I was a 2 day old fetus. Imagine like.. the mother of Martin Luther King. If she said; ah.. its just a fetus, we'll get rid of that little thing without a brain. Black people wouldn't have any rights if she did that. And I believe that MANY many many people, who could have become something HUGE in this world, didn't get a chance, couse people like you think they weren't worthy to enter this world.
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If it is going to be a human, it has rights. There is no guarantee it is going to become a human. It could miscarry at random (yes, that happens without trauma sometimes). Or, since it has no consciousness and is just meat, it could be aborted. So saying it has rights because it's going to be is not correct, because there is no certainty it is going to be anything but a mass of meat. Furthermore, I don't think it's right to plan things based on what they could be. That's like giving a loan to someone because they keep telling you they're going to get rich and pay you back with certainty, signifying that there's no reason to not give them the loan. But, where is the certainty? There is none because the future is uncertain. What matters is what you can perceive now, not what you speculate will happen. One is certain, one is not. Why choose anything over certainty from direct stimulus? You make it sound like woman are carrying a brain, and not a person. Without a brain, I am not a person, I am a mass of meat without personality, sensory abilities, instincts, thoughts, feelings, etc. So I do not understand the point of this statement you make. If you do not have proof, you do not have the ability to argue. If the point of your statement is to imply that we have souls even if we don't have a brain and consciousness, then what's your proof that we do? So far, we have no way to measure consciousness and the 'soul' without the presence of a functioning brain. If you have a method of definitively measuring the soul without measuring the consciousness, please share, because that's a groundbreaking discovery that would bridge the gap between science and philosophy. And second thing, I don't think we're here to decide wich people are human and wich are not. Then why are you deciding that a fetus is a human being before there is any proof that it is a human being? Also, 'which people are human and which are not' doesn't make sense to me. Can you elaborate? Because I do not believe that you can be a person without being human. Unless you think animals are people. But um... that's not a topic to be discussed, I don't think, lol. I believe I've always been a human, also when I was a 2 day old fetus. What you believe means nothing if you have no proof that your belief is correct. How do you know you were a human being since you were conceived? How do you know you had a soul if you had no consciousness? Imagine like.. the mother of Martin Luther King. If she said; ah.. its just a fetus, we'll get rid of that little thing without a brain. Black people wouldn't have any rights if she did that. And I believe that MANY many many people, who could have become something HUGE in this world, didn't get a chance, couse people like you think they weren't worthy to enter this world. This provides no proof that we are human before we have a developing consciousness. So what if Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had been aborted? Then history would have gone completely different. What evidence does that provide that we are human without a consciousness? I suppose you could say that since he was aborted, the absence of his consciousness would have been significant, but you have no way of knowing if that would be true since you'd then somehow have to examine every possible outcome of how history would have turned out without Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.. And even if you could, it's all supposition based upon nothing that you have evidence for. And even if you had evidence that his absence would change the present, how does that give evidence towards the idea that we are human without a consciousness?
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There is no guarantee it is going to become a human. It could miscarry at random (yes, that happens without trauma sometimes). Or, since it has no consciousness and is just meat, it could be aborted. So saying it has rights because it's going to be is not correct, because there is no certainty it is going to be anything but a mass of meat. and Without a brain, I am not a person, I am a mass of meat without personality, sensory abilities, instincts, thoughts, feelings, etc. So I do not understand the point of this statement you make. That is the most dumbest piece of SHIT I've ever heard, and Im not gonna reply to a brainwashed freak like you. Then why are you deciding that a fetus is a human being before there is any proof that it is a human being? Cause everyone I know once was a fetus.. saying that you don't know if a fetus is becomming a human, is like saying you don't have any evidence of that a teenager is ever gonna hit adulthood. Should we kill all teenagers, because we don't know if they're ever gonna be adult??!?!?! you opinions are piece of crap. I don't say this to many people, I try to respect others opinion, but this is just waaaaay out of line. What you believe means nothing if you have no proof that your belief is correct. How do you know you were a human being since you were conceived? Well Im standing here with my two arms and legs dummy.
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That is the most dumbest piece of SHIT I've ever heard, and Im not gonna reply to a brainwashed freak like you. Interesting retort. I didn't think you'd become hostile when I made no provocation. Curious. Now, did you say this because I am truly brainwashed, or because you are incapable of explaining how someone is a human being without a brain? Or because you are incapable of explaining why a fetus is more special then a severed arm and therefore has rights because you can somehow see into the future and predict that it will no matter what become a person? Wait... how can you see into the future and predict a fetus will no matter what become a person, and therefore deserves to be treated like a person? Now, if this response IS because what I said was stupid, then please tell me why it was stupid since you, of course, did not provide details. Cause everyone I know once was a fetus.. That's not the point. You just said that we shouldn't choose who is a human and who is not. If that's what you believe, then why do you have an opinion on abortion at all when the debate of abortion refers to the origin of human life and therefore requires that we define what a human is? Oh, well... I suppose then you're a hypocrite? So what if every human was once a fetus? Not every fetus becomes a human. Since not every fetus becomes a human then there is no reason to assume a fetus is a human because there is no certainty it is going to be one. Since there is no certainty a fetus will become a human, how can you justify assigning human rights to something that has no cognitive function when being a human requires that we have cognitive function? saying that you don't know if a fetus is becomming a human, is like saying you don't have any evidence of that a teenager is ever gonna hit adulthood. 'Will become' is different then 'is becoming'. One implies certainty that IT WILL BE. One implies certainty that IT MAY BE. Since you cannot tell this difference, it is now apparent to me that you don't even understand what you're arguing against. Unfortunately for you I don't know how to argue in a way even more simple then I current am... hm... troubling. Should we kill all teenagers, because we don't know if they're ever gonna be adult??!?!?! Sure, teenagers cause adults troubles and stress, but they're human beings with cognitive consciousness. Therefore, killing them for being a hindrance would be unsavory and immoral. After all, teenagers are human. They are not, on the other hand, meat without consciousness or soul, like fetus's up until a certain point in a pregnancy. you opinions are piece of crap. I don't say this to many people, I try to respect others opinion, but this is just waaaaay out of line. They aren't crap at all, you just apparently don't understand them even a little bit. Perhaps this means I'm being more disrespectful to you for assuming that you'd be able to argue on my level, but then again, not assuming you'd be able to implies I don't see you as equal despite your inability to actually argue against my points and instead just announce that you cannot understand them. Once again, troubling. This fact will inhibit our ability to communicate and actually argue, as opposed to what you are currently doing: calling me names because you can't actually dispute me due to lack of understanding. Or not wanting to concede a lack of knowledge. I don't actually know, but I presume you are mature, so it's more likely that you are ignorant as opposed to just acting like a brat. Well Im standing here with my two arms and legs dummy. You being alive and human now does not prove that you were a human when you possessed no brain, no consciousness, and therefore no measurable soul as a fetus.
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Now, did you say this because I am truly brainwashed, or because you are incapable of explaining how someone is a human being without a brain? Or because you are incapable of explaining why a fetus is more special then a severed arm and therefore has rights because you can somehow see into the future and predict that it will no matter what become a person? No, you're truly brainwashed :) They aren't crap at all, you just apparently don't understand them even a little bit. Perhaps this means I'm being more disrespectful to you for assuming that you'd be able to argue on my level, but then again, not assuming you'd be able to implies I don't see you as equal despite your inability to actually argue against my points and instead just announce that you cannot understand them. You're right, Im unable to argue on the level of dummies and people who think they're anything better than an innocent child in a womans belly. Wait... how can you see into the future and predict a fetus will no matter what become a person, and therefore deserves to be treated like a person? You believe in evidence right? Well.. we have almost 8 billion people who once were fetuses.. LIVING proof.. there ya go. o what if every human was once a fetus? Not every fetus becomes a human. Since not every fetus becomes a human then there is no reason to assume a fetus is a human because there is no certainty it is going to be one. Since there is no certainty a fetus will become a human, how can you justify assigning human rights to something that has no cognitive function when being a human requires that we have cognitive function? there are alot of mentally retarded humans, who literally don't have any idea of whats happening around them.. Wanna kill them to? Cause according to you they're animals. And also, do you have got any sort of evidence that they're not going to be human?
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No, you're truly brainwashed :) Since you're so sure, prove it. And on a side note, brainwashed to what? Brainwashing implies control by a dominating party. Who is brainwashing me then? If you can prove that I am, that is. You're right, Im unable to argue on the level of dummies and people who think they're anything better than an innocent child in a womans belly. I never said I was better then an innocent child in a woman's uterus. I thought we were talking about fetus's here, not children. Didn't you read my entire comment? Apparently not, since you can't even answer simple questions or carry and argument without accusing people of being stupid without elaborating on how they are. What, are you going to argue you don't need to elaborate? Who thinks who's better then who here again? You believe in evidence right? Well.. we have almost 8 billion people who once were fetuses.. LIVING proof.. there ya go. Once again, that is not evidence that all fetus's become humans. All humans were once fetus's, yes, but not all fetus's become humans. You have yet to answer my questions with actual evidence. I wonder if you will politely come out and just admit that you have no evidence to dispute me... but I doubt it, since you're intent on not arguing and just calling names. there are alot of mentally retarded humans, who literally don't have any idea of whats happening around them.. But they still have cognitive function and brain waves. They have a consciousness. They have a soul. There is a difference between having a brain, disabled or not, and literally not having a brain mass. I'm going to stop being polite for just a second and ask: are you REALLY that stupid that you cannot tell the difference? Wanna kill them to? No, I already said I believe killing human beings is murder. Multiple times. Apparently reading comprehension is not your strong-suit? Cause according to you they're animals. Um... no. According to me, they are human beings. They have mental disabilities, but so what? They have conscious brains. Once again, don't you know the difference between having a brain, disabled or healthy, and not having a brain at all?
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Since you're so sure, prove it. Read your arguments, proof ;) Who thinks who's better then who here again? You think you're better than me, but you aren't. Once again, that is not evidence that all fetus's become humans. All humans were once fetus's, yes, but not all fetus's become humans. You have yet to answer my questions with actual evidence. Then how many evidences do you want? You didn't answer my question. Do you have any evidence proving that this fetus is not going to be a human? But they still have cognitive function and brain waves. They have a consciousness. They have a soul. There is a difference between having a brain, disabled or not, and literally not having a brain mass. You said if a person is human, he has consciousness, you didn't say if he had a brain then he was human. Well, some mentally retarded people don't have consciousness. And while we're at there, if I dropped down unconscious, would my humanity dissapear? Would you take me to an animal doctor then? Or what? Just kill me like dogs with diseases?
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Read your arguments, proof ;) Congratulations, the only thing you have proven is that you cannot sensibly argue on any basis. You think you're better than me, but you aren't. I didn't when our argument began, but now that you have shown your immaturity, I need not be convinced I'm a better debater then you. The evidence is obvious by show of how you haven't answered almost any of my questions, such as how a person is somehow human without a brain or why you think it makes sense to assume that all fetus's are humans when there is no guarantee they will become one. Then how many evidences do you want? One. This isn't a question of quantity, but of actual evidence. You have not given even one yet. Not that 'evidence' is a noun, as you use it, but you understand my point. You said if a person is human, he has consciousness, you didn't say if he had a brain then he was human. If a person is not human without a consciousness, and they have no consciousness without a brain, then you can infer they have humanity if they have a brain. If you could make the inference I just made, but assume that I could not, what does that say about how you really approach debater's you disagree with? Or did you even make that inference? If you did not, then... wait... how did you not make that inference? Well, some mentally retarded people don't have consciousness. No, that's not right. I'm pretty sure every person mentally disabled still has a consciousness. If they did not, they wouldn't be mentally disabled, they would be brain dead vegetable people. And therefore not people. But as I just pointed out, vegetable people are not mentally disabled. They are brain dead and vegetables. Unless I misunderstood your context, then you're again failing to see this obvious difference. And while we're at there, if I dropped down unconscious, would my humanity disappear? No, because your brain would still be active and completely alive. Your unconscious consciousness is apart of your overall consciousness. Would you take me to an animal doctor then? Or what? Just kill me like dogs with diseases? Um, no. Not that animal doctors don't treat their patients well, but you're still a human being with a human consciousness. Being 'conscious' or 'unconscious' is a state of being for the noun of 'consciousness'. The consciousness being unconscious does not mean the consciousness does not exist. I thought you knew this. And, I'll say the third or forth time: killing humans is wrong. How you somehow read that and then not understand the disconnect between having a brain and literally not having a brain is astounding...
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Congratulations, the only thing you have proven is that you cannot sensibly argue on any basis more than I can say about you. But as I just pointed out, vegetable people are not mentally disabled. They are brain dead and vegetables. Unless I misunderstood your context, then you're again failing to see this obvious difference. you know those people exist right? some people are braindead. Im starting to think you might be one of them. No, because your brain would still be active and completely alive. Your unconscious consciousness is apart of your overall consciousness. You just said, that without consciousness we weren't human
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more than I can say about you. Except you haven't, because you can't argue anything I say. Are you a better debater then me? Then prove it. You have yet to. you know those people exist right? Which people? Vegetable people? Since I mentioned them before you did (since mentally disabled people aren't braindead), it's obvious I know they exist. What's your point? some people are braindead. Im starting to think you might be one of them. Lol, again, you cannot argue with me without calling me names in place of actually making a point. What are you trying to say that vegetable people exist? Since I mentioned their existence before you did, your question made no sense. I thought you were going to try and argue that vegetable people were mentally retarded? Or do you actually understand the disconnect between having a disabled brain and having a dead one? You just said, that without consciousness we weren't human And I also just said that becoming unconscious does not result in the destruction of the consciousness. Are you about to argue that your consciousness is destroyed when you're in a comma, or when sleeping? Because it's not, you know.
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Are you a better debater then me? Did I ever say I was better than you in any way? I know I called you negative names and stuff, but did I say the words Im better than you? Or better debater? Which people? Vegetable people? Since I mentioned them before you did (since mentally disabled people aren't braindead), it's obvious I know they exist. What's your point? No, not vegetable people. Braindead people. they exist. Lol, again, you cannot argue with me without calling me names in place of actually making a point. I know. And I also just said that becoming unconscious does not result in the destruction of the consciousness. Are you about to argue that your consciousness is destroyed when you're in a comma, or when sleeping? Because it's not, you know. Well, in the english language, putting an 'un' in front of a verb, makes it the oppisite. So if you can have a conscious, then uncoscious must mean the opposite of having a conscious. Then you're saying unconscious people aren't humans.. but just a mass of meat
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Did I ever say I was better than you in any way? I know I called you negative names and stuff, but did I say the words Im better than you? Or better debater? Insults imply the insulted party is lesser then the person giving the insult. You didn't say with words that you are a better debater then me, but the number of implications you gave pointing to you believing that was vast. When does call one stupid under the pretense that they are just as stupid as the person they called stupid? Because that's what you're trying to convince me you did. No, not vegetable people. Braindead people. they exist. They're the same thing. What's your point? Well, in the english language, putting an 'un' in front of a verb, makes it the oppisite. So if you can have a conscious, then uncoscious must mean the opposite of having a conscious. What I refer to is not consciousness in the sense of the state in which you are aware, but the ability of your brain to be aware. Sure, when you are unconscious, you are not aware of your environment, but your consciousness is not destroyed. In fact, in a way, when unconscious, you are still conscious, because your brain is still wide awake and conscious of your unconscious environment. But I can see you may be genuinely confused about the word, in which I give you the benefit of the doubt. I could understand why this would be confusing. Then you're saying unconscious people aren't humans.. but just a mass of meat You're actually genuinely confused, so I will attempt to clarify. As I said before, the consciousness can refer to something more then just the state of being aware of your environment. In my case, I use it to refer to just the ability to be aware due to brain activity. Even while unconscious, your consciousness still exists and is still active because your brain is active. I am not trying to say that people who are sleeping or in a coma are without a consciousness, because with the way I am using the word, they have a consciousness from their brain being alive. They are unconscious, but not without a consciousness. This is a great distinction from the clinically brain dead or an underdeveloped fetus. One has a brain that is still alive and is active and will eventually exit the state of unconsciousness. The other has no brain activity or consciousness of any kind. Think of it this way: If you do not have a consciousness, you cannot be unconscious, because unconsciousness is a state of a consciousness in this case. This is why in English, we do not say the clinically brain dead are unconscious; we say they are brain dead. Contrastingly, this is also why we say people sleeping or in comas are not dead, but unconscious, the point being unconsciousness cannot exist without a consciousness. With this hopefully clarifying my stance, no, I do not think people who are asleep are meat bags, because they still have a consciousness while unconscious. That may seem confusing, but there you have it.
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Insults imply the insulted party is lesser then the person giving the insult. You didn't say with words that you are a better debater then me, but the number of implications you gave pointing to you believing that was vast. I was insulting you're opinion, not you. When does call one stupid under the pretense that they are just as stupid as the person they called stupid? Me, I don't believe any human have any sort of intelligence at all. Because that's what you're trying to convince me you did. No, I wasn't. That what you believed, wich confuses me, cause I thought you only believed in evidence... do you have evidence that I said I was better than you? They're the same thing. What's your point? My point is, that a braindead person is, as the word says itself, his brain is dead, in other words, he has no brain. And he is also unconcious.. wich makes him, according to you, an animal. You're actually genuinely confused, so I will attempt to clarify. No, Im playing with you.
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I was insulting you're opinion, not you. Opinions are derived from the self and are rooted in one's persona. Insulting one is insulting the other. Me, I don't believe any human have any sort of intelligence at all. So when calling me stupid, you also admit to yourself being stupid? O... kay. No, I wasn't. That what you believed, wich confuses me, cause I thought you only believed in evidence... do you have evidence that I said I was better than you? I suppose my evidence is that you are the first person I have ever met in my entire, long life that has told me that whenever you insult someone's intelligence, you also concede to the idea that your intelligence is on the same level. Since this is blatantly ridiculous, I think it's much more probable that you're lying to me. Since you've admitted to playing mind games in a previous comment, this isn't out of the question. And you can say that you're not lying, but how can I trust you when you just admitted to playing mind games? My point is, that a braindead person is, as the word says itself, his brain is dead, in other words, he has no brain. I think it was apparent that I knew this. And he is also unconcious.. wich makes him, according to you, an animal. 1. No, he is not unconscious. His brain is dead. There is a difference. Recognize it. Being unconscious requires that you still have a consciousness. When your brain is dead, you have no consciousness. Which is why we say HIS BRAIN IS DEAD and not that he's in a comma. I thought you just said you understood this difference by admitting that you were playing head games with me. So, wait, then that means you weren't playing head games and you lied about it because you really don't know the difference? Great. 2. No, it doesn't make him an animal, it makes him less then an animal. It makes him a corpse, who's organs happen to still be functioning by coincidence. That's the point of being clinically brain dead: you are a vegetable. You have no personality, consciousness, or soul. You are a pile of meat with absolutely no hope of recovery because you are clinically brain dead. No, Im playing with you. How mature. Thank you for saying this, for it signifies in one way or another that I can't trust you anymore. That makes this debate over, if you intend on lying or playing head games. If you want to actually succeed with a different debate in the future, I suggest you approach this much differently, because running around corners and lying about it is very much not how you debate. That's how you waste everyone's time.
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Opinions are derived from the self and are rooted in one's persona. Insulting one is insulting the other. I don't care what you think I did, I know what I did and what I said, and that was not ment to insult in any way. Mabe you did feal insultet, but I can't do very much about that, than say Im sorry. So when calling me stupid, you also admit to yourself being stupid? O... kay. Yeah, no human is clever, if anybody thinks him/her is clever, then he's really really stupid. I suppose my evidence is that you are the first person I have ever met in my entire, long life that has told me that whenever you insult someone's intelligence, you also concede to the idea that your intelligence is on the same level. Can you see how awkwardly true that is? :) Since this is blatantly ridiculous, I think it's much more probable that you're lying to me. Since you've admitted to playing mind games in a previous comment, this isn't out of the question. And you can say that you're not lying, but how can I trust you when you just admitted to playing mind games? Im not lying, Im just telling the truth no one wants to hear. I think it was apparent that I knew this. Well you weren't Thank you for saying this, for it signifies in one way or another that I can't trust you anymore. That makes this debate over, if you intend on lying or playing head games. If you want to actually succeed with a different debate in the future, I suggest you approach this much differently, because running around corners and lying about it is very much not how you debate. That's how you waste everyone's time. Omg you don't trust me anymore???!?!?!?!?!?!?!???!?! my heart is broken. Really Chatturgha, you should NEVER trust someone on the internet, and one who claims he is as clever as you do, really should know that. I've never intended to succee in this debate, if that was what you thought.
341 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
Well, I believe, personally, that abortion is totally legal and not morally incorrect if a woman chooses to do so. Even in the scenario of a teenager getting pregnant, abortion could still be permitted, even though others may say "she made the baby, now she has to live with it." John Locke, an English philosopher, states that everyone has a right to life, liberty, and PROPERTY. Yes the baby is still a living human; however, I still consider the baby PROPERTY under the woman since it is in her body and a part of her. It's a woman's right to do so.
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John Locke, an English philosopher, states that everyone has a right to life, liberty, and PROPERTY. So the baby does not have these rights? Just the mother?
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Well, hypothetically, yes. The baby does not have the intellectual mind to even interpret its decision on whether it will live or die. There is no harm in killing a baby who is unaware of its right to life and liberty.The mother having the ultimate right of property over the baby prevails. Basically, what I'm trying to say here is that it's a woman's own choice, not the baby's.
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You can't state that everyone diserves to live, and then say that babies don't diserve it. I can live with, that some think its okay to murder children, but not with the argument, that everyone diserves to live.
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Sorry but when abortion occurs, the baby isn't even developed yet. It's just a clump of cells and tissue! The baby is not alive nor can either be considered a baby/human. It is just BECOMING a human; not a full-fledged human yet. So it doesn't deserve the right of life YET since it is not developed to a certain extent. Abortion only occurs in the first month and a half. There is absolutely NO harm in killing something that is not human YET.
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I don't give a fuck what you call it. fetus, cell or you can call it a meatball if you want. You're just making up words, to make the killing of babies less horrible. That little meatball is going to be a human wether you like it or not, and killing it, then you're killing a human being. Im not saying its wrong exactly, Im just saying, that you can't let everyone have a life, but not babies. When you say everyone diserves a life, then you mean everybody. Not only people currently alive, but also people who're soon to be brought in this world.
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Ok you have to calm your ass down girl. It's a woman's decision to kill her baby. Even if they do have this right of life before full development, its life is in the woman's hands. And if she wants to commit murder, it's damn fine with me because it's her choice. And I'm not making up fucking words. I know what the hell I'm talking about. These "babies" have lives to be but in this society, it's alright to kill it by permission of the mother before full development.
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Ok you have to calm your ass down girl. My ass is perfectly calm, what makes you think its not? Did I write with caps lock or something? The life isn't in the woman's hands. Its in the hands of nature, people have taken over life&death;, and I don't think its right. I know some people take medicin that actually help them live, and that is not like .. natural, if you know what I mean. I don't even know where Im going with this ;p I just think its wrong to kill babies.
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You using curse words is what I'm referring to! And I don't know where that was going either. Ok, well we have different opinions so whatever >:O. Good debate!
342 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
Sorry but when abortion occurs, the baby isn't even developed yet. It's just a clump of cells and tissue! The baby is not alive nor can either be considered a baby/human. It is just BECOMING a human; not a full-fledged human yet. So it doesn't deserve the right of life YET since it is not developed to a certain extent. Abortion only occurs in the first month and a half. There is absolutely NO harm in killing something that is not human YET.
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I don't know what's wrong with the world?! When the murder became an ordinal thing in our life? Even me, not in so deep extent religious person, it's really cruel and it's really crime! Women who justify themselves doing abortion like those babies don't have even bodies yet. But they already have a soul! Wake up, people! I haven't anything against women who have no possibility to upbring children because of health or real financial problems. But what about those women who don't think about the consequences before the pregnancy or just haven't desire to have the children? Is it a reason? If we are going to recognize this, nobody will take care about our future generation and its morality.
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Desire to have children? Like that is an excuse. A woman is pregnant when she's pregnant, and she is responsible for another human being for 18 years and 9 months from that moment on, wether she desires it or not. Its not like babies come from the stork is it? No, I think every woman on earth knows what sex is, and what it can lead to, if she dosen't know that, I don't think she knows what sex is either. Woman who are sexually abused does not count in this of course, that is a completely different subject, and I just hate when people mess those two up together.
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