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 What do you think about abortion? (55)

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What do you think about abortion?

Personally I would never take an abortion, but I think in rare cases like women who're raped, and then get pregnant, I fully respect and understand their decission on removing the baby.

But to force a woman to have her baby, is not very democratic, and just because I believe its a baby, I don't
think everyone else should do what I think is right and what is wrong.
 
But I believe it is a human being, and wether you like it or not, it is killing human beings.
 
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Women have every right in the world to decide what is best for them. If a woman feels that having a child will make her life way more difficult, or that the environment around is not right for having a baby, or whatever reason for that matter, she has the right to have an abortion. And please don't serve us the "assuming your decisions" or "murdering a baby" speech. What about "wrecking a woman's and her unwanted child's life?"

Let's not forget that it's men's sperm that actually makes babies, and women have to live with the result of guys not taking their responsibilities more often than not.

This debate should be titled "should guys take their responsibilities and put on condoms and talk about sex with their partners in an open way and not just "do it"".

I'm a male, by the way.

345 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
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But I believe it is a human being, and wether you like it or not, it is killing human beings.

Classic contradiction.

but I think in rare cases like women who're raped, and then get pregnant, I fully respect and understand their decission on removing the baby.

You respect their decision to, in your words, murder a baby? What makes a baby's life less important than the mother? I mean, because you said that it is killing.

Would you shoot a newborn in the head if the only way the mother would live was if the baby was dead? (let's say she's being held hostage and she doesn't really care for the baby and tells you to do it.)

Exactly. You can't say that it's murder and be for abortion in some circumstances, because to you, the termination of a pregnancy is murder, and even if the mother was raped, it's still the murder of a child (to you).

(I'm pro-choice, by the way.)

345 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
Birgitsiv(857) Disputed
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In this case you can be against abortion, for abortion and you can sertainly be in the middle.

I don't think a 30 year old married couple should ever be allowed to have an abortion, unless pregnancy could the mother, and yes, I think a mothers life should be the first priority.

You respect their decision to, in your words, murder a baby? What makes a baby's life less important than the mother? I mean, because you said that it is killing.

I respect their removing their child, because I can't place myself in a situation like that. Have you ever been in that situation?

I haven't, so Im not gonna make an opinion it.

The baby is not less valueable if the dad is a raper, but I can't imagine how hard it would be having that baby.

Most people who are against abortion say: If you are ready to have sex, you should also be ready to have children But in a case where the woman is raped, it was never her choise to have sex or get pregnant.

A life after being raped, is horrible, or at least I can imagine the emptiness afterwards, and I don't think it'll do any good for the woman's healingprocess to being forced to have her rapers child.

Would you shoot a newborn in the head if the only way the mother would live was if the baby was dead? (let's say she's being held hostage and she doesn't really care for the baby and tells you to do it.)

I doubt I would ever be in that position for 1 simple reason.

When a woman have her child, she developes a hormon that makes her love her child, and put the childs need before her own.

Abortion = murder

no matter how the fetus got there, it still is.

But I think there are exceptions, when it comes to abortions

345 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
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This is the most jarbled, stupid, incoherent piece of text I've ever had the misfortune of reading. Please, before you try to refute someone next time, try to read what they actually said, and don't just go off into la-la land.

Abortion = murder

Okay.

no matter how the fetus got there, it still is.

So far, your train of thought is consistent and clear.

But I think there are exceptions, when it comes to abortions

What?! You just said it was murder! How can you stand killing a human being in some situations?

And please, purchase a dictionary. Your spelling is more abysmal than the Holocaust.

345 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
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We're not born 9 months old. You inherit your rights as a human and not a parasitic leech the moment you can sustain yourself outside of the host relationship you have with your mother. Before that, you're more on par with a period clot.

345 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
Birgitsiv(857) Disputed
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Not born 9 months old? then what? the timer of our existens is just reset?

345 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
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I think we shouldn't have abortion. Its still killing of a baby and all humans have a right to live. Every baby is precious when it comes into this life. There is no need to abort a baby. If you don't want the baby don't abort it take it to a foster home or put it up for adoption.

345 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
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I totally think you're right.

But giving you're child away is often said to be waay harder than to abort it.

I mean imagine if it was you who should give it away, it would be hard.

But again, I think thats a bad and egoistic argument. To kill a baby to spare yourself from that is not a very good option.

345 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
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I go back and forth on the morality of abortion. While it seems wrong at times, at other times I really don't care.

It is a living thing, no doubt. It has individual DNA, of course. But is it really a person that must be protected by the law when it's inside the mother? I don't think so.

Even if I end up finding abortion to be "wrong," I will not ask for the government to regulate what women can do with a thing inside of their own bodies. This is between the woman, the fetus, the doctor, and their conscious.

A government policing our bodies is a far worse injustice than a woman aborting her fetus.

345 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
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I can not agree more.

This is exactly what I meant, unfortunally Im not from an english speaking country, and it can be hard to express myself sometime.

345 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
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Abortion is absolutely okay when a woman has medical complications. That is not questionable, and I can't see what counterarguments someone could possibly have for that.

Abortion in the case of rape is also mostly okay. While I understand the argument that the baby didn't do anything and that giving a baby up for adoption is a possibility, it's also important to keep in mind that rape is very disempowering, and forcing a woman to carry a baby is even more so. Also, it's possible that the mother may not just lack the resources to care for a baby, but also the resources to handle a pregnancy.

Like I said, adoption is an acceptable possibility, but it's also not always a simple process. I admit that teenagers who were just being careless shouldn't just be able to use abortion as a means of escaping what they did wrong, but the truth is that it's a hdd decision for anyone, and hopefully the person will still come out of the situation understanding the consequences of her actions.

344 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
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In the previous time I was not against of abortion, because there are so many unwanted children! They live in the streets, beg and rob. Or they are used as a donor for organ transplantation.

But now I understand that abortion it is not the solution of the problem, abortion is killing! I think that nobody have this right! Every child has a Chance to appear in this world! The future life of this child will be depend on destiny and his own decisions.

344 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
Birgitsiv(857) Disputed
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But are you like 100% against abortion, or is there exeptions like rape or the mothers life is in danger if she keeps the baby?

344 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
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I'm very much for abortion, and I have no doubt in my mind that if I were to find out I'm pregnant tomorrow I'd go have one. Because I'm careful, I take birth control on time everyday. So if I'm being responsible why should I be forced to take care of a child that I'm not ready for. Or give up my child to someone else.

The only time that abortion should be stopped is if the woman is being completely irresponsible and gets multiple ones. And I hate to put it all the woman... But it's her body kind of thing.

344 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
Birgitsiv(857) Disputed
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If you don't want a child, don't have sex.

sex = pregnancy. Thats a fact, even thou you use multible protections you still can.

Just the fact that you know that, makes you irresponsible.. do you follow me? :)

344 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
Saurbaby(5375) Disputed
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Sex does not always equal pregnancy, even without birth control. And if it was just that simple, then I highly doubt that sex would be such a pleasurable act.

It doesn't make you irresponsible to have sex, it makes you human.

344 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
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Well, i don't think abortions should be allowed. If a woman has managed to get pregnant, then the child is her responsibility. It doesn't matter if it co-insides with your career. That is no excuse, no one should put their job before their baby. Of course if a woman is raped, and ends up pregnant, or there are complications (great pain, or too young), an abortion can be initiated. But if a 20+ average woman is going to have a baby, then she should keep it.

344 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
iamdavidh(4804) Disputed
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What if they're raped by their drunk father and the child has a disease that it will die of before it's a week old and the pregnant woman has a 90% chance of dying during birth?

344 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
Birgitsiv(857) Disputed
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Then abort the child

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344 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
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I believe abortion is a completely gray topic that too many people make black and white.

Very simply, the question over abortion is the question of where humanity starts.

Objectively, the qualities of a person that makes a person human is our consciousness and emotional reasoning of our environment.

Since this is what makes us human, having a genuine consciousness, what some call a 'soul', should be the point of measurement.

Which brings me to my argument against pro-life: If it doesn't have a consciousness, it's not human.

Is my arm a human being if severed from my body? No, it has no consciousness. Therefore, there is no reason to assume a clump of cells without brainwaves is a human being. Is it made of human cells? Sure, but there is no measure of a consciousness, or 'soul' other then brain waves. If you believe a soul exists within a brainless fetus without proof, then your opinion has no objective place in this topic.

And this also brings me towards my neutrality.

There is a point in fetal development in which the fetus develops a brain and active brainwaves. Since we can measure it's brainwaves, we have proof that is has a consciousness after this point. If it has a consciousness, we can definitively presume it has a 'soul' and is human.

Which brings me to my point against pro-choice: if it has a consciousness, it's a human being. Killing a human being is murder.

Aborting a fetus after the point it has developed a consciousness is therefore murder. The choice over your own body is invalid if it involves the choice over another human being's body. Who are you to choose if a human being lives or dies? It has a consciousness. If it was aware, you can be completely sure that it would object to the choice to kill it, no matter it's intelligence.

To sum it all up, therefore, I believe that aborting a fetus before it develops a brain is completely okay and there should be no issue with it, but the abortion of a fetus after it has developed a consciousness is essentially the killing of a human being and should be considered such.

Believing pro-choice or pro-life, in my opinion, is completely silly. Both sides when taking 'humanity' into consideration are silly. The only real answer I can see is a middle ground. Thus, I believe in a middle opinion on abortion.

344 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
Birgitsiv(857) Disputed
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Which brings me to my argument against pro-life: If it doesn't have a consciousness, it's not human.

It dosen't matter if its a human at the moment. If it is going to be a human, it has rights. You make it sound like woman are carrying a brain, and not a person.

And second thing, I don't think we're here to decide wich people are human and wich are not.

I believe I've always been a human, also when I was a 2 day old fetus.

Imagine like.. the mother of Martin Luther King. If she said; ah.. its just a fetus, we'll get rid of that little thing without a brain.

Black people wouldn't have any rights if she did that. And I believe that MANY many many people, who could have become something HUGE in this world, didn't get a chance, couse people like you think they weren't worthy to enter this world.

344 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
chatturgha(1630) Disputed
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If it is going to be a human, it has rights.

There is no guarantee it is going to become a human. It could miscarry at random (yes, that happens without trauma sometimes). Or, since it has no consciousness and is just meat, it could be aborted. So saying it has rights because it's going to be is not correct, because there is no certainty it is going to be anything but a mass of meat.

Furthermore, I don't think it's right to plan things based on what they could be. That's like giving a loan to someone because they keep telling you they're going to get rich and pay you back with certainty, signifying that there's no reason to not give them the loan. But, where is the certainty? There is none because the future is uncertain.

What matters is what you can perceive now, not what you speculate will happen. One is certain, one is not. Why choose anything over certainty from direct stimulus?

You make it sound like woman are carrying a brain, and not a person.

Without a brain, I am not a person, I am a mass of meat without personality, sensory abilities, instincts, thoughts, feelings, etc. So I do not understand the point of this statement you make.

If you do not have proof, you do not have the ability to argue. If the point of your statement is to imply that we have souls even if we don't have a brain and consciousness, then what's your proof that we do? So far, we have no way to measure consciousness and the 'soul' without the presence of a functioning brain. If you have a method of definitively measuring the soul without measuring the consciousness, please share, because that's a groundbreaking discovery that would bridge the gap between science and philosophy.

And second thing, I don't think we're here to decide wich people are human and wich are not.

Then why are you deciding that a fetus is a human being before there is any proof that it is a human being?

Also, 'which people are human and which are not' doesn't make sense to me. Can you elaborate? Because I do not believe that you can be a person without being human. Unless you think animals are people. But um... that's not a topic to be discussed, I don't think, lol.

I believe I've always been a human, also when I was a 2 day old fetus.

What you believe means nothing if you have no proof that your belief is correct. How do you know you were a human being since you were conceived? How do you know you had a soul if you had no consciousness?

Imagine like.. the mother of Martin Luther King. If she said; ah.. its just a fetus, we'll get rid of that little thing without a brain. Black people wouldn't have any rights if she did that. And I believe that MANY many many people, who could have become something HUGE in this world, didn't get a chance, couse people like you think they weren't worthy to enter this world.

This provides no proof that we are human before we have a developing consciousness. So what if Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had been aborted? Then history would have gone completely different. What evidence does that provide that we are human without a consciousness?

I suppose you could say that since he was aborted, the absence of his consciousness would have been significant, but you have no way of knowing if that would be true since you'd then somehow have to examine every possible outcome of how history would have turned out without Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.. And even if you could, it's all supposition based upon nothing that you have evidence for.

And even if you had evidence that his absence would change the present, how does that give evidence towards the idea that we are human without a consciousness?

344 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
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Well, I believe, personally, that abortion is totally legal and not morally incorrect if a woman chooses to do so. Even in the scenario of a teenager getting pregnant, abortion could still be permitted, even though others may say "she made the baby, now she has to live with it." John Locke, an English philosopher, states that everyone has a right to life, liberty, and PROPERTY. Yes the baby is still a living human; however, I still consider the baby PROPERTY under the woman since it is in her body and a part of her. It's a woman's right to do so.

342 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
Birgitsiv(857) Disputed
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John Locke, an English philosopher, states that everyone has a right to life, liberty, and PROPERTY.

So the baby does not have these rights? Just the mother?

342 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
Pachino951(90) Disputed
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Well, hypothetically, yes. The baby does not have the intellectual mind to even interpret its decision on whether it will live or die. There is no harm in killing a baby who is unaware of its right to life and liberty.The mother having the ultimate right of property over the baby prevails. Basically, what I'm trying to say here is that it's a woman's own choice, not the baby's.

342 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
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I don't know what's wrong with the world?! When the murder became an ordinal thing in our life? Even me, not in so deep extent religious person, it's really cruel and it's really crime! Women who justify themselves doing abortion like those babies don't have even bodies yet. But they already have a soul! Wake up, people! I haven't anything against women who have no possibility to upbring children because of health or real financial problems. But what about those women who don't think about the consequences before the pregnancy or just haven't desire to have the children? Is it a reason? If we are going to recognize this, nobody will take care about our future generation and its morality.

342 days ago | Side: What do you think about abortion?
Birgitsiv(857) Clarified
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Desire to have children? Like that is an excuse.

A woman is pregnant when she's pregnant, and she is responsible for another human being for 18 years and 9 months from that moment on, wether she desires it or not.

Its not like babies come from the stork is it? No, I think every woman on earth knows what sex is, and what it can lead to, if she dosen't know that, I don't think she knows what sex is either.

Woman who are sexually abused does not count in this of course, that is a completely different subject, and I just hate when people mess those two up together.

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