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Yes, he is a holy man No, he's like any other person
Debate Score:11
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What do you think about the pastor of the church, would you say he's a holy man ?

 

Did the lamb ever ask for peoples' money ? 

Paying for God is just plain wrong.

The Most High, having complete power and control over creation, does not need anything from anyone in order to grant what only the Almighty can grant, what the Almighty does grant freely.

Legalized slavery occurs in America, in all congregations of people who are deprived from their Rights of equality and transparency, in regards to the transference of money from a region where people live and work, to a richer region or another State. The system has also determined the non-publication of financial data of small groups who transfer up to 50% to their vaults, but the money should stay in the small cities where it is collected. The great majority: 98% of people do prefer the money to stay in the country regions where they live and work, which means to transfer only what is really necessary.

 

Yes, he is a holy man

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No, he's like any other person

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Did the lamb ever ask for peoples' money ?

Yup

Proverbs 3:9

Honor the Lord with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your produce;

Side: Yes, he is a holy man
MrFelpe(35) Disputed
3 points

Depends what is meant by "Lord." It doesn't necessarily mean the pastor. What if I hold food drives? Give to the homeless? Volunteer for the needy? Wouldn't that also be giving my "fruits" to the Lord?

Side: No, he's like any other person
2 points

I wouldn't say he's like every other person. He's a pastor after all. Having said that, The pastor should use the money on the community, not himself. When the church is having trouble supporting the needy or if the church has troubles renovating, and the pastor drives around in a brand new car...people should ask questions and demand better from their pastor.

Side: No, he's like any other person

He is still a sinner. And God does not play favorites. God also says there is only one holy man and he is Jesus.

Side: No, he's like any other person
1 point

One thing that is not in accordance with the Word of the Lamb, is the misery of the system when the pastor and the treasurer or minister recommend to everyone: that the person who delivers 10% of his salary should only resort to the treasury of the church in the latter case, after we have passed through the ranks of the social security system in decline or when the person is already near death.

The problem is that when the pastor or minister make the above recommendation he uses the word 'church' as if the church in town was just them two: the treasurer and the pastor, and not 51% (fifty one percent) in the least, of the people who gather and support these two employees.

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Quotes from SPOTLIGHT: How to Entangle a Juridical Panthera

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Side: No, he's like any other person
1 point

Hello to all,

Another argument, entitled Reverend Will

From those who take the road on their way to the conference about the Flood, Reverend Will won't make it in time if it keeps on raining by the east side. You perhaps will have to start the debate without him.

The fact is that the Ark of Noah's story never happened. The whole subject about Noah and the Ark is a story that only works as a Parable of the Miserability. Is there anyone of you that being rich, powerful and owner of a variety of new ships, would ever say this to a best friend and his family, ‘you better start to build a boat’.

That is what the doctrine of misery does to anyone who pay reverence to their ministers and pastors, as if they were spiritual authorities, alleged anointed from above. They are rich and they always ask for you to give them more from the fruits of your work.

However, they don't really share water, electric light, comfort and shelter, with right of equality with the people that support them.

If you had made the world, why would you justify yourself and tell a man for him to write down that you have had regrets for having made the world because things didn't come up as you thought it would be, and for that reason you would have decided to get rid of it, when you know that it would be easier and faster to cause the wicked ones to disappear by erasing their memories from their brain?

Things are not as they seem to be. See the story of Isaac's sacrifice, for example. It only works as a Parable of Hypocrisy.

Because, if a person already knows the thoughts and knows the end from the beginning then why would that person make a Hypocrite statement and tell Abraham this: 'I had to test you’. The bible was left to you for different reasons. One of them is that some contents are solely parables that were made specifically to intrigue you so that you might start thinking by your own head. – At that moment, those who were at the Conference said:

If these things were kept hidden in order for us to start thinking by ourselves then why do we need a reverend in the first place?

- Hmmmm ..... I don't know why.

Side: No, he's like any other person
1 point

Of course my recent argument is not about the Ark of Noah's debate, although the Ark is mentioned in the text.

The argument is about not paying reverence to men with regards to spiritual matters. Let's not worship their spirits of men.

Side: No, he's like any other person