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This is horrible! God has his reasons...
Debate Score:36
Arguments:26
Total Votes:48
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What do you think about this picture?

This is horrible!

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God has his reasons...

Side Score: 9
2 points

The belief in the providence of god borders on the criminal because it externalizes responsibility to a non-actual being rather than realizing that the responsibility to ameliorate suffering in the world is and has always been a human responsibility

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1 point

Fucking thank you.

Now pretend a profit told you so, write it in aramic and bury it. Then ucover it and say it's like the book of Bob or something so these brainwashed idiot christians will read it more than once and actually try to understand it.

Otherwise you, I and every moral human is waisting their breath trying to talk sense to them...

still, well said.

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1 point

You didn't know?

God only likes rich white people and ex-cons.

Send him to jail for a couple years, he'll find god.

(this is sarcasm for any new members. 1. There's no such thing as god. 2. I've established should christians be right about this fairy god-father I dislike him deeply)

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1 point

That's so sad, things like that is what brought me to the conclusion that GOD plays no role in our lives, I feel that if there is a GOD and I like to believe there is a GOD from my understanding of the universe through science that GOD only seeks balance, so in theory there is no good or bad only balance. When we die our energy goes back into the cosmos and reforms to something else, science proves that energy can never be created or destroyed only transformed and we are cosmic energy, so for GOD to play a role in our human lives it would contradict the universal balance of destruction & creation.

We know so little about the universe and because of this we as humans feel the need to make shit up to feel better about not knowing. people need to use logic to truly understand GOD through science & our universe not our emotions, maybe a balance of both as this really is the fundamental rule of the universe

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1 point

If you can thank god for your dinner, you can blame him for this.

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1 point

what i cant understand is the kid had food in its sight, god provided for him, didnt he notice the big vulture behind him....should have roasted the bird on the fire. yum miss millies, or kentuky chicken.............................

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1 point

Horrible picture, but there is a reason for everything; whether we know why or not.

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1 point

Horrible picture, but there is a reason for everything; whether we know why or not.

Side: This is horrible!

I think I've seen pictures like this more times than I would have liked too.

Side: This is horrible!
0 points

Why is God playing with toast and causing statues to hemorrhage through the eyes when there are children like this... dying with no food and no water, suffering pain that we will never understand.

Side: This is horrible!
garry77777(1796) Disputed
1 point

God is not some absract entity you can blame for starvation, that's our fault, it is the fault of human greed and selfishness, so if you want to blame someone, look in the mirror.

Side: God has his reasons...
Dremorius(861) Disputed
1 point

Then why is God letting this happen?

I already know it is a human's job to set things right, but how can a God exist and make Mary appear on toast when he can let this happen?

Side: This is horrible!
2 points

This picture implies omni-benevolance, so i'll stick with the Christian god.

The Judeo-Christan god supposedly wiped out the human race on multiple occasions, sent plagues, murder innocent babies, etc. This is well within his realm on what is "good." After all, starving children in Africa don't pray to Jesus and are doomed to hell anyway. God is showing mercy by speeding up that process.

Honestly, what an awful religion.

Side: God has his reasons...
Nick91983(269) Clarified
1 point

im confused about your position and response, I assume that the side - god has his reasons - means you dont think that starving children is horrible, that it is justified. but you seem to argue against religion so I was confused about what i perceived to be a contradicton. can you clarify?

Side: This is horrible!

Shock picture of sketchy origins with a caption to the effect of "Where is your God now!?!"... Not like I haven't seen this before. These are getting old.

Side: God has his reasons...
Dremorius(861) Disputed
1 point

The picture's meaning is still strong.

The captions summarily say (If you just skimmed through them with confused rage) "Where is God if he lets children die like this and wants to play with toast instead."

Side: This is horrible!
-1 points

1. What makes you think that the human race is worth saving? Have you seen the news lately?

2. Mature adult humans have free will and personal responsibilities.. Why didn't the parents exercise those things?

3. The vulture has to eat. Humans are not above animals.

4. What's so bad about dying?

5. It's probably Photo shopped. ;)

Is that what you were looking for?

Side: God has his reasons...
Nick91983(269) Disputed
3 points

1. the news tends to express negative events in the world more than positive ones - thus one should not look to the news and see this as an unbiased perspective on the general condition of humanity. The world and humans are pretty messed up but perhaps not quite as horribly as the news might suggest by the nature of its content. News shows display horror for ratings and to point out the problems of the world that need to be dealt with. Good things tend to be boring and not shown because they dont help ratings and are not important insofar as motivating necessary response to imbalance in the world.

2. You dont know the circumstances of the situation - it is very likely that the parents were dead either by war, disease, or famine. Many of the circumstances around the photographs like these are a combination of the three. My grandfather lived in Africa during this period of time seeking to ameliorate the suffering by fighting famine and attempting to bring infrastructural support and thus stability to the region.

3. The vulture does have to eat too, humans are animals so i agree with you there.

4. dying is not the problem - it is not the point of the picture - the point is to illustrate the unnecessary suffering that an all powerful and all good god allows to happen in the world - thus illustrating that human action is required and that faith in god is an excuse for inaction.

5. Definitely not photoshopped, and even if this specific picture was, my grandfather took many images of children, as well as adults, that were suffering and dying for the same reasons as mentioned before.

For more information, you should look up The Manzanar Project - a project run by one of my grandfathers collegues. This particular project was targeting famine in Eritrea

Side: This is horrible!
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
2 points

I mean, I understand the desire to look at the light side of every situation as to not offend any and continue your point parade,

but making light of dying children, even ignoring that it's a bit hypocritical that few even who truly are emotionally swayed by such pictures do enough about it, is not putting your faith in a good light at all.

It actually highlights the ability religion has to harden the heart of followers via justifications, while those without faith are the ones left with the more charitable heart by comparison.

Side: This is horrible!
Dremorius(861) Disputed
1 point

1. What makes you think that the human race is worth saving? Have you seen the news lately?

What makes you continue to believe in God then if he is such a jerk?

2. Mature adult humans have free will and personal responsibilities.. Why didn't the parents exercise those things?

It is highly likely that:

1. The child is orphaned.

2. The parents are obviously too poor.

3. There simply isn't enough food to go around.

3. The vulture has to eat. Humans are not above animals.

Oh, I thought Christians see humans as a superior creation to God.

Are you not swayed or sympathetic to this picture, do you only care that the vulture is hungry and is planning to eat that poor dead child that is rotting on the hot, dry ground?

4. What's so bad about dying?

I'm pretty sure a poor, young child, starved into bone and skin, being left into the searing hot sun, dying with excruciating thirst and hunger is BAD.

ESPECIALLY, when GOD doesn't give a crap.

5. It's probably Photo shopped. ;)

It's a Well Known, Famous Picture and there are hundreds more like this.

Side: This is horrible!
garry77777(1796) Disputed
1 point

"What makes you continue to believe in God then if he is such a jerk?"

I don't think he beleives in God.

"1. The child is orphaned."

This means his point still stands.

"2. The parents are obviously too poor."

This allows us to blame it on mankind.

"3. There simply isn't enough food to go around."

The total quantity of food currently being produced exceeds the total quantity required to feed the entire population, that is the real tradgedy. It is human greed, selfishness, etc., that allows this unequitable distribution of food to continue, which in turn leaves almost a third of the worlds population in lacking basic dietary requirements, and very often causes many of them to fall into starvation.

"do you only care that the vulture is hungry and is planning to eat that poor dead child that is rotting on the hot, dry ground?"

It's called the circle of life, life feeds on life.

"I'm pretty sure a poor, young child, starved into bone and skin, being left into the searing hot sun, dying with excruciating thirst and hunger is BAD."

Yes, suffering is bad, but what is so bad about dying?

"ESPECIALLY, when GOD doesn't give a crap."

Again, not God, mankind.

Side: God has his reasons...
ReasonLogic(3) Disputed
1 point

The photographer got a Pulitzer Prize in 1994. He went on his merry way after taking the photo (i.e., he did not help the child).

So, I ask..., again:

1. What makes you think that the human race is worth saving? Have you seen the news lately?

2. Mature adult humans have free will and personal responsibilities.. Why didn't the photographer exercise those things?

Side: This is horrible!