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What do you think of Bush's public speech on divisiveness in the US.

Love or hate Former President George Bush, what do you think on his speech about the state of our country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2YlVZxu_L0

For the text version:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/19/full-text-george-w-bush-speech-trump-243947

Spot on, sir.

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Meh.

Side Score: 6
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Hello Mint:

I didn't like Bush when he was IN office.. But, since then, I think he's handled himself very responsibly.. I like him even more after this speech..

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Side: Spot on, sir.
Mint_tea(2488) Clarified
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I don't think he was the "worst" President in history, I think he had presented a fairly weak front especially in matters of national emergency. But I thought he presented a very strong speech without resorting to the usual crude we've been hearing recently. He brought up some good points so, good for him.

Side: Spot on, sir.
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I was particular impressed on these key points:

"We have seen our discourse degraded by casual cruelty. At times, it can seem like the forces pulling us apart are stronger than the forces binding us together. Argument turns too easily into animosity. Disagreement escalates into dehumanization. Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples while judging ourselves by our best intentions – forgetting the image of God we should see in each other.

We’ve seen nationalism distorted into nativism – forgotten the dynamism that immigration has always brought to America. We see a fading confidence in the value of free markets and international trade – forgetting that conflict, instability, and poverty follow in the wake of protectionism.

We have seen the return of isolationist sentiments – forgetting that American security is directly threatened by the chaos and despair of distant places, where threats such as terrorism, infectious disease, criminal gangs and drug trafficking tend to emerge."

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"“Our identity as a nation – unlike many other nations – is not determined by geography or ethnicity, by soil or blood. Being an American involves the embrace of high ideals and civic responsibility. We become the heirs of Thomas Jefferson by accepting the ideal of human dignity found in the Declaration of Independence. We become the heirs of James Madison by understanding the genius and values of the U.S. Constitution. We become the heirs of Martin Luther King, Jr., by recognizing one another not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

This means that people of every race, religion, and ethnicity can be fully and equally American. It means that bigotry or white supremacy in any form is blasphemy against the American creed. And it means that the very identity of our nation depends on the passing of civic ideals to the next generation.”

Side: Spot on, sir.
Augmentus(6) Disputed
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"We have seen our discourse degraded by pandering politicians like George W Bush. At times, it can seem like the forces polarizing us politically in terms of partisanship are weaker than the forces causing us to hate Trump . Honest opinion turns too easily into paid propaganda. Disagreement escalates into rampant smear campaigns across all mainstream media. Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples while judging ourselves by our best intentions – forgetting that the left and the right are both full of shit.

We’ve seen nationalism distorted into globalism, forgotten the dynamism that independence has always brought to America. We see a fading confidence in the value of free markets and international trade – forgetting that conflict, instability, and poverty follow in the wake of being in debt to china.

We have seen the return of idiotic sentiments – forgetting that American security is directly threatened by the chaos and despair of distant places, where threats such as terrorism, infectious disease, criminal gangs and drug trafficking tend to emerge and that Bush has done no better than Trump in dealing with them.

"“Our identity as a nation – unlike many other nations – is not determined by geography or ethnicity, by soil or blood. Being an American involves the embrace of polarized political ideologies and constant in-fighting. We become the heirs of George Bush by accepting the ideal of human dignity unless it involves profiting from third world slave labor. We become the heirs of James Madison by understanding the genius and values of the U.S. Constitution which George clearly doesn't, remember the patriot act? We become the heirs of Martin Luther King, Jr., by recognizing one another not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. And George Bush has horrible character.

This means that people of every race, religion, and ethnicity can be fully and equally hateful of both Trump AND Hitler...I mean Bush.

Side: Meh.
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George W Bush does not forget that Donald Trump halted his brother's bid for the White House. At least he is attacking Trump while Republican congressmen and congresswomen are either supporters of Trump or else mute.

Side: Spot on, sir.
Mint_tea(2488) Clarified
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While I don't think it was mostly an attack, or even a real attack, it was certainly a poke in the right place.

Side: Spot on, sir.
Augmentus(6) Disputed
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Just because Whorge Cucklespew Tush is speaking out against Fondled Rump doesn't mean he is any less of a monstroseous disgrace of a human being.

Side: Meh.

George W Bush presided over the most corrupt administration in US history. The damage that he did to America, often through only turning a blind guy to what others on his staff were up to, probably can't even be quantified. Nothing he says should be listened to because at best it makes him a hypocrite. This is a guy whose Vice President invented a total lie that Saddam's son tried to purchase yellowcake uranium in Africa, and who commuted the prison sentence of his Vice President's Chief of Staff when he was convicted for perjury. It's a guy who, despite professing to be a devout Christian, pushed a record number of state executions while Governor of Texas. It's a guy whose Defence Secretary, the day before 9/11, announced that 2.3 trillion dollars was missing from the national defence budget.

I should probably stop there, because even the mention of 9/11 reminds me of what his Vice President and the power circle surrounding him got away with. It still makes me angry even today.

Side: Meh.
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Spot on Mr. Nomenclature. I can't believe how these peons are praising one idiot just for speaking out against another. Just because this odorous leech is pandering to the public's hatred of Trump doesn't mean he is any less of a dishonest and repugnantly stupid person.

Side: Meh.