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Disbelief in gods/supernatural Disbelief in religion
Debate Score:34
Arguments:42
Total Votes:35
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 Disbelief in gods/supernatural (14)
 
 Disbelief in religion (18)

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What does Atheism mean to you?

The current accepted western definition is "disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods".

 

Is this accurate?

 

How do you use the term? What its connotations for you?

 

Does "disbelief or lack of belief in any religion" work better?

 

What about another definition?

Disbelief in gods/supernatural

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Disbelief in religion

Side Score: 18

Since 'religion' is literally the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods, I think that calling atheism a lack of belief/worship in a superhuman being (or God) is a very fair definition. It also implies a lack of belonging to a religion.

Edit: Also, as an atheist, it's not that I don't believe religion exists. So 'lack of belief in a religion' doesn't make much sense. xD

Side: Disbelief in gods/supernatural
flewk(1193) Clarified
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You are using the western definition of religion with the western definition of atheism.

Since many westerners have began adopting non-western religions, you should notice that the second definition of religion does not require a god or superhuman controlling power.

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2 points

Hmm. Ok, well from a personal standpoint, I see no problem in following a religion whilst lacking a belief in God. I was raised Jewish, and I might, someday, consider myself an atheist jew. I like a lot of Jewish teachings, and I can absolutely follow them while still keeping a lack of belief in the supernatural.

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1 point

Yes yes*

Side: Disbelief in religion
1 point

I think there are atheistic religions. Atheism only applies to a belief in God, not religion. Atheism for me only means you aren't claiming to believe in a supernatural god.

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flewk(1193) Clarified
1 point

What would be a good term for people who do not believe in any religion? Areligious?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/areligious

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Cartman(18192) Clarified
1 point

I think that will work.

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Stickers(1037) Clarified
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Atheism is the lack of belief in all controlling figures, it does not mean you do not respect the virtues that the stories teach though.

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Yes yes*

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Yes yes*

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Yes yes*

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The defination in the OP is correct. Theism is from the Greek theos meaning God. Atheism is literally not-God. A rejection of theism. -Note that religion is about worship.

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flewk(1193) Clarified
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Yes yes*

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Yes yes*

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a-theism means a lack of theist beliefs.

religions are what humans cobble together when they DO have theistic beliefs... more often than not, they also happen to SERVE those who created the religion (Scientology) more than they serve the ppl who follow it.

seeing this, atheists tend to also be opposed to religion because of these facts about religion, but that has nothing to do with the ROOT of the meaning, which is that they do not believe in the existence of a god/gods.

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flewk(1193) Clarified
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Well, Scientology is not the best candidate for theism, since everyone is an omniscient God who helped to create the universe.

seeing this, atheists tend to also be opposed to religion because of these facts about religion, but that has nothing to do with the ROOT of the meaning, which is that they do not believe in the existence of a god/gods.

Non-westerners use the term as a disbelief or non-belief in deities and the supernatural, not just creation gods.

It depends on where globalization takes us.

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I don't even think there should be a name for it... there shouldn't be a name for a natural state of being like that, it just seems silly to me. (like corn-on-the-cob is stupid because.. It grows ON the cob! lol..)

Nobody is born believing in a religion... they are taught (brainwashed..) by family, church, etc...

Besides, theists deny many many gods, I only deny one more than them.

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1 point

Yes yes*

Side: Disbelief in religion

A- without/lacking Theism- belief in a god or deities. Literally "lacking belief in god(s) or deities." Yeah its fair

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This is from Firefox regarding the definition of religion

the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

a particular system of faith and worship.

a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.

So within this definition of religion it is possible to pursue a supremely important belief that God or gods do not exist and therefore the means to disbelieve its own existence

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flewk(1193) Clarified
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Do not comprehend. Please clarify.

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I would say it means both a disbelief in religion and a disbelief in the supernatural. Religion is really just a philosophic practice that involves the supernatural. You have to believe in something supernatural to be religious in 99% of cases. Atheism is actively rejecting the potential supernatural element of reality; it follows naturally that any worship, practice, dogma, or religion founded on said rejected supernatural would also be rejected.

Additionally, I dislike the "or a lack of belief" bit of Atheism definitions, since that is the definition of agnosticism, and it's best to avoid redundancy and wasting words.

If you reject all or most of religion/the supernatural, you're an atheist.

If you don't know, are undecided, lack a belief, or haven't thought about it, you're an agnostic.

Side: Disbelief in religion
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They should definitely remove the lack of belief from atheism. The language is changing due to the recent trend towards atheism/agnosticism/non-religious. It has become impossible to generalize everyone into neat little categories.

Your definition is a more global one since not all religions have a creator being. Supernatural is still inadequately defined, but that is another debate :S

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Do you think that Atheism should mean the opposite of Theism because it wouldn't with your definition?

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Yes yes*

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Atheism is the religion of disbelief.

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