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What happens if the US Military

What happens in the world if the US military ceases all operations and brings all of its land and sea forces home, closing all bases in all countries, and refusing to deploy troops except for dire and direct US interests.
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Sv3rige(162) Banned
4 points

The foreign military gets more power and can operate the black programs with more secrecy to devleop powers. The economies grow because the US military will not be sucking their ass.

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It would mean non stop sleepless nights for us over here as the Americans keep telling us they're " protecters of the free world " and only for them we would all be fucked ; I've been told it twice on here in the last week so it must be true

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It would mean non stop sleepless nights for us over here as the Americans keep telling us they're " protecters of the free world " and only for them we would all be fucked ; I've been told it twice on here in the last week so it must be true

They fill their heads up with this nonsense from the time they are old enough to watch TV. America is just like a modern version of Rome. The citizens are too fat and too high on cheap entertainment to notice that their military culture is the one doing damage to the world.

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They fill their heads up with this nonsense from the time they are old enough to watch TV

The liberal American press tries to brainwash people? No shit?

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America is just like a modern version of Rome. The citizens are too fat and too high on cheap entertainment to notice that their military culture is the one doing damage to the world.

Riiiight. Obama, the late "King of Rome" drops more bombs than can be imagined, so what do you do like an ass clown? Put his picture on your Rusticus puppet account praising him as an imperialist god. You really are a full blown dipshit...

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@Dermot & Nomenclature.

Agreed. The books I linked you to (Dermot) by Larry Schweikart, will give you a very good idea of how/why America acts the way it does and how people here tend to think of themselves and America's place in the world. Most people here believe in American Exceptionalism just as strongly as they believe in Gravity or God and to challenge that is absurdist tantamount to a Conspiracy Theory or blatant denial of reality. In reality, the rest of the world views us as the nation that is the greatest threat to world peace (Gallup Poll: http://nypost.com/2014/01/05/us-is-the-greatest-threat-to-world-peace-poll/ )

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Thanks again X those History books you mentioned are truly appaling by international standards of academia; your assessment to me is correct a lot of Europeans are terrified of this ultra aggressive American attitude in business , politics and the media that has shown its true face under Trump .

To me and I've said it before the biggest threat to world peace is not Muslims , Russians or various perceived enemies of the US , the biggest threat are American hardline fundies who seem to be everywhere ; when one sees the likes of Mike Pence a religious looney as Vice President of the U S that's scary and made all the worse by having Trump running the circus .

Look at the average American fundie on C D rabid bible thumping gun nuts with a hatred of anything that's not American or deemed the American way .

I lived in the states and loved the country and its people but I lament what it's now reduced too and the tragedy is most Americans do not realise a once great country has been reduced to a laughing stock in European society

Amarel(2388) Disputed
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In reality, the rest of the world views us as the nation that is the greatest threat to world peace

That's because no on likes the police. I should note that by "rest of the world" you mean 24% of those polled in the 65 counties. It's also the top country people would move to.

When there is a military superpower, conflict stabilizes. This is true regardless of the virtues or vices of the superpower. Saddam was a shit, but his presence was a stabilizing feature in the middle east. Similarly, the potential and actual threat of the US military, is a stabilizing feature in the world. Removing this feature would bring substantial chaos to various regions.

Consider that the US is the teeth of the UN and you will see the issue clearly.

Also, while it's true that 80% of respondents in the US thought that it had a unique character that makes it the greatest country in the world in 2010, of those 80%, 77% thought the US was at risk of losing this special character.

Great source by the way.

Amarel(2388) Clarified
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I was going to say that Ireland would be just fine since the UK has a decently strong military and some geographic security. But then I saw the 2014 end of year poll (mathfan cited the 2013 end of year poll). It says that only 25% of respondents in Western Europe would be willing to fight for their country, which is the lowest average. Only 38% of Irishmen are willing to fight for Ireland. Seems pretty weak. Or maybe people are just used to not having to think about it...

Dermot(3644) Clarified
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You say ......only 38% of Irishmen are willing to fight for Ireland. Seems pretty weak. Or maybe people are just used to not having to think about it...

How accurate do you think these polls are ? How would one ever know .

It's certainly not something I have ever thought about nor any people I know maybe because we have always being neutral in wartime

If we ever had to go to war on our own account we wouldn't stand a chance as our population is less than 5 million .

It's amazing culturally Americans seem obsessed with war and constantly " kicking ass" ,movies ,media and a fair amount of the population are obsessed with this never ending narrative.

It's interesting America does not fair much better than Ireland at 46 per cent so I think a lot of the talk is just that

Only 27 per cent of British people would volunteer 30 percent of French and 18 percent of Germans ; maybe most people have had their fill of war and only the so called superpowers are really interested in continued obsession with the milatary

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By deploying their military overseas the U.S, is able to confront their enemies on foreign soil, such as the face off with North Korea from South Korea, or during the cold war, confronting the old U.S.S.R., in western Europe.

However, with the constant evolution of intercontinental missiles there will inevitably come a time when we should concentrate our military budget on the protection of the homeland and let the other NATO members look after themselves.

NATO formed to protect the nations of western Europe and the time must be approaching when they will have to take more, if not full responsibility for their own defense.

Nomenclature(1182) Disputed Banned
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By deploying their military overseas the U.S, is able to confront their enemies on foreign soil

The same argument Hitler used.

Amarel(2388) Disputed
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Yeah. And he was against smoking so.. ya know... .

2 points

I'd be ok with it but then I don't know much about politics oversea's.

With America it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you don't send your troops out to help another country you are spit on for unwillingness to help others. If you do send your own people out you are spit on for "being pushy". So screw it. Bring our men and women home and let the rest of the world do their own thing.

Of course this is said without coffee, I'm kind of pissy today and honestly I'm just tired of seeing our people getting killed and spit on for their sacrifice.

Bring the jobs back to America, bring the military back to America and let's fix our own issues.

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Actually just checked America is at 44 percent while Ireland is at 38 percent which makes America pretty weak also

Also you never mentioned which Ireland the poll was taken in North or South or both ?

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The pretty obvious fact is that NO US President is actually the leader of the free world. That is just marketing to make people to think the US President has more power and influence than he actually has. It also makes people think American taxpayers have a responsibility to other nations that may even supersede domestic responsibilities.

We know that very little of these huge expenses ever benefit American citizens. Typical of this silliness is caring whether Hussein used WMDs against the Kurds, or Asad used them against other Syrians. Soviet invation of Afghanistan and Russian invasion of Crimea and Ukraine are not our problem.

US involvement in the third world, whether militarily or through aid programs are expensive, and useless to the American taxpayer. Trump supporters know this.

It is the anti-Trump people (both Democrat and Republican) who want the US to continue the same meddlesome bullshit that has characterized the last 75 years of US military involvement worldwide.

Seriously, how would you feel if the US pulled out of NATO?

I know mainland Europe would be screwed. They are not capable of mounting more than a token defense against any Russian incursion. Certainly they do not want to pay the actual cost of a force sufficient to act as a believable deterrent.

1 point

Life goes on. But what that probably means is:

The other big players just take what they want near their borders. Particularly Russia and China.

And military spending rising in places which didn't bother before.

And deep downsizing in the US military along with an influx of young unemployed.

And a depression in the USA as the military industrial complex goes under.

Oh, and terrorist videos boasting they won.

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Nom3nclature Disputed
6 points

Japan, S.Korea and other countries would acquire nukes out of necessity.

And you ban me out of necessity because you're a simpleton and a plebe and a dimwitted barbarian.

Among the nations that would disappear would be East Timor, Taiwan, Israel (they may take their neighbors with them), and The Baltic states. The Balkan states would eat each other up, and eventually fall to Russia.

And that would probably be a good thing if you ass me.

Global trade will suffer greatly and all economies will decline in the short run.

This is why free speech needs to be banned, the US has been keeping foreign economies down and building their own economy on their backs from the beginning you imbecile.

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Among the nations that would disappear would be East Timor, Taiwan, Israel (they may take their neighbors with them), and The Baltic states. The Balkan states would eat each other up, and eventually fall to Russia.

Probably true.

Why would these be bad for US citizens?

The US has sufficient natural and human resources to be able to be self-sufficient, and certainly our military is able to protect our own shores, and provide entirely for our own defense.

Why should US taxpayers foot the bill for the existence of East Timor, Taiwan, Israel, etc.

What good does it do US citizens to keep Europe from having to pay the real cost for their own defense?

Amarel(2388) Clarified
1 point

It is a benefit to the US to have strong allies to trade with, and a stable world to trade in. This doesn't mean the US tax payers should foot the bill, but it helps explain why we do.

Though I would advocate a much smaller US military presence in the world, I would not advocate an immediate withdrawal from everywhere. The correct way to do it would be a well planned process that doesn't leave our allies and trade partners our in the cold.