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 What happens when we die? (31)

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What happens when we die?

Self explanitory.

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5 points

I obviously cannot tell you for a fact what happens. But I would like to think that afterwards there is SOMETHING.

Not like everything goes black and I am just laying in a coffin. Just lying there kind of sleepy but not able to go to sleep. Like when you wake up before you are ready to get up, only forever.

Or you could totally be brain dead.

What if we are reincarnated!? wouldn't that be weird? It would be like you wake up when you are around 5 years old, just like this life. Only you would not be able to remember something ( your previous life ) and you would end up just living your life ( like this one ). Weird thought huh?

Maybe there is a heaven and a hell. Maybe we do go up a golden escalator.

Maybe ( I hope not ) we come back as plants. We would be able to think just like we are able to now but we would obviously not be able to do anything.

Side: Anything is possible
3 points

I, like most people, don't know what it is really like to die. But, I can only hope that it is peaceful, relatively quick, and afterwards, either a lot of fun, or like a deep, peaceful sleep.

I don't want to know it's happening, so I don't panic. I just want to... go. In my sleep, or just however it works so I don't have to know what's going on.

What I don't want it to be is scary, painful, or extremely boring afterwards.

I don't want to just realize that I am dead and be stuck within my own thoughts for eternity.

Side: I hope it's nice
7 points

From one of the most quotable men of all time:

I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.

- Mark Twain

Side: I hope it's nice

Awesome quote.

Side: I hope it's nice
1 point

Love the quote

Side: I hope it's nice
2 points

Well, anything IS possible since it's hard to figure out. Are there souls? pfft, maybe. idk, i don't think so, but who knows. i mean, so many fuckin' people claim they've seen ghosts and i even lived in a haunted house when i was little. Spirits? idk, could just be really weird shit going on.

the fact is, we've never talked to a dead person yet, so we really have no way of telling whether something ACTUALLY happens when you die. So many claim they've seen the tunnel or channeled loved ones or have even seen ghosts. can i say they're wrong? i rather try to figure shit out.

maybe many of our brain cells are released, or maybe we release energy that continues to flow through the Universe. Those brain cells, after all, can't just DISAPPEAR, maybe they continue living on, floating through shit.

Or maybe everything just shuts off and we're done. if that's the case, we wouldn't really know it, would we?

Side: Anything is possible
jessald(1915) Disputed
1 point

"i even lived in a haunted house when i was little"

-_- sure you did

Side: worm food
1 point

You rot in the ground.

Everything that makes a person a person is held in their brain. Once the brain stops working, that's it; the person has ceased to exist.

Side: worm food
2 points

But we can always expect whatever we want.

Side: worm food

I totally agree with ya

Side: worm food
jessald(1915) Disputed
1 point

What? Do you mean "hope for"? Because the word expect implies you have logical reason for believing whatever you believe.

Side: worm food
1 point

exactly who is to say we cannot dream big?

Side: Anything is possible
1 point

Everything goes blank and you cease to exist. You do not remember anything since there is nothing to remember because you are brain dead in a pot or a coffin( hopefully ).

Side: You cease to have thought

We come back as a beautiful tree!!! Just kidding. We just go blank like a turned off computer. Is a computer smart if it is turned off?

Side: Were done for
1 point

Nothing. Worm food, as someone tagged.

The problem is it's hard for people to understand "nothing."

Closing your eyes and ears is not a good comparison. I think a lot of people imagine it as some eternal sleep where the mind is still active.

Really the best comparison I've ever heard went like this,

close your eyes, now, try to see with your finger tips (i don't mean touch stuff, literally concentrate on seeing with them.)

kind of weird, but if you really try you'll probably start to get an idea of what nothing is like.

Not bad at all actually.

Side: worm food
2 points

Exactly. The concept of nothing is impossible to imagine or comprehend. So, my point is that you can't infinitely evade death, so why not just imagine whatever you would like for the afterlife?

Why not? It doesn't hurt anyone. You die with peace and confidence in your beliefs, no matter how "wrong" or "right" they be.

Side: worm food
1 point

I think it is a possibility to just become a spirit to float around the world not really having a destined path. We would just be like the wind.

Side: Dust in the Wind

I think what happens when you die is you spend a lifetime in a world of your choice e.g. the Star Trek world, or the Pokemon world, or something, some fictional world you have always wanted to live in. After we live that life, we go on to live a regular life in a regular world, as a different life form, on another planet. This cycle continues for all of eternity.

Side: Heavenly world then new life
1 point

That actually might be nice =]

Side: Heavenly world then new life
0 points

i believe that through belief in Jesus as our saviour and our creator (because he is part of the trinity and therefore is god) we can get to heaven (Jews are included). heaven is impossible to understand, because it lasts for eternity, and surely you would get board! but since god can create universes completely different to our own (even different laws of physics) I'm sure he could keep us entertained. what ever its like it will be good when we get there. as for the people who say "WORM FOOD" i pose you this logical theory from some clever mathematician whose name i cant remember.

lets consider that you can either believe in god or not, and ignore the fact that there are different religions to choose from

now lets consider that there could either be a god or not be a god.

now lets consider that if there is a god any you believe in god then he lets you into heaven and that if you don't you will go to hell.

this give us 4 outcomes...

1: there is no god and you don't believe in god, in which case, CONGRATS YOU WERE RIGHT! NOW SHUT UP AND BE WORM FOOD!

2: there is no god but you believed in god, in which case, your worm food with the atheists too (at leased you religion helped you lead a fairer and kinder life, not that atheists cant be as fair and kind as believers)

3: there IS a god but you didn't believe in him, in which case, ETERNAL DAMNATION FOR YOU!

4: there is a god and you believed in him, in which case, Enjoy your eternal life

this method shows us that you have more to gain by believing in god... now you need to decide which one (and may i personally recommend Christianity, most popular religion in the known universe and relativity extremist free)

Side: Eternity is either with God or apart
1 point

2: there is no god but you believed in god, in which case, your worm food with the atheists too (at leased you religion helped you lead a fairer and kinder life, not that atheists cant be as fair and kind as believers)

Oh my god your so right! Religious people have never killed anyone. Wait a sec...

-The crusades

-The burning of witches

-The killing of Jews

-The European wars of religion

-The conquest of the Native Americans in order to convert the "barbarians" into civilized Christians

And that's just Christians! How about 9/11? That was based on religion. Or let's take the current conflict in Gaza. I could go on, but I think you get my point.

From your argument I can also see that you don't know a whole bunch about world religions. You assume (incorrectly) that every major world religion is similar to Christianity in that 1) there is belief in a single all powerful god and 2) there is a heaven and hell for believers and non-believers. How about Hinduism? You didn't include reincarnation. How about Buddhism? Obviously you never took this into account.

Side: worm food
-1 points

First couple preminces: God is the creator of the world.

2. God is good. Evil came into the world through the free will of humanity

3. God sent His Son Jesus to be a sacrifice for humanity to be with him again.

4. We can either accept GOd's invitation to be in a realtionship with Him or reject it.

Proof from the Bible of my preminces

Life without God: You spend your life working, laboring, and what do you have to show for it? Generations come and generations go, but the world stays just the same.

The sun still rises, and it still goes down, going wearily back to where it must start all over again.

The wind blows south, the wind blows north---round and round and back again.

Every river flows into the sea, but the sea is not yet full. The water returns to where the rivers began, and starts all over again.

Everything leads to weariness---a weariness too great for words. Our eyes can never see enough to be satisfied; our ears can never hear enough. What has happened before will happen again. What has been done before will be done again. There is nothing new in the whole world.Holy Bible, Eccelisiastes 1:3-9

God is the Creator and sustainer of Life: Everything that happens in this world happens at the time God chooses

He has set the right time for everything. He has given us a desire to know the future, but never gives us the satisfaction of fully understanding what he does. Holy Bible, Eccesiastes 2

God is the Redeemer and Friend of Humanity: Jesus "I came that they may have life and have it abundantly." John 10:10

Eternity with God: He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away."Rev 21:3

Eternity away from God:And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. Rev 20:15 ( the reason for people being rejected into "hell" is because God's love was rejected by that person. Hell, i believe, is not a literall pit of fire but a symbolic pit of fire of the feelings of rejection and shame because of the regret for not receiving God's love)

Jesus is the way to God: Jesus answered him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one goes to the Father except by me. John 14:6 (contrary to oprah and most postmodern thought Jesus is the only way to heaven. He was the only one who lived a perfect life on earth. Not just a good person. He was God and man at the same time.)

I believe this all by faith. But if you read the Bible in context it makes sense.

Side: Eternity is either with God or apart
sparsely(496) Disputed
3 points

Faith cannot be used to substantiate a logical premise, only belief.

The opposite could be done, however. That is, one could take what they believe about the world around them, and using those, establish premises intended to validate the existence of god.

Side: Eternity is either with God or apart
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
3 points

I believe this all by faith. But if you read the Bible in context it makes sense.

No, it really doesn't, regardless of context.

You jump so many steps in logic, I barely know where to begin, but I'll try.

1. God is creator of the world. I'll need some proof of this outside of the bible. As none exists, I'll have to reject your first premise as pure conjecture.

2. God is good. Evil came into the world through the free will of humanity Even your questionable source reveals that evil came from an angel named lucifer, and the resulting evil of humanity comes from said angel manipulating human's free will. Your contextual mistakes aside, the assumption remains that this god created something that participates in evil, therefore it's impossible for him to be all "good."

3. God sent His Son Jesus to be a sacrifice for humanity to be with him again. So you believe that an all powerful, all good, creator of everything, is so petty that he would damn one of us insignificant little humans for all of eternity unless he recieved some primitive blood sacrifice? That like Bal or Zeus or some ancient god of old, he needs people to murder another person in order to accept us? hm... God punishing a person for being bad during our pathetically short time on this planet compared to the eternity he's steward over, is like if I were bit by an ant, and instead of just killing it, took it to a lab, fitted it with machines to keep it alive, and tortured it forever, or until it killed another ant to make me feel better.

pathetic really.

4. We can either accept GOd's invitation to be in a realtionship with Him or reject it. I'll call that bluff...

life without god... I find my life without god very fullfilling. My own testament aside, humanity as a whole has advanced steadily on a very predictable and consistant curve. Both in times before any of the bible was written, and after. Places that do not believe in god enjoy equal comforts and equal discomforts. There is no example of god ever being anywhere, and certainly no example of life being any different with or without his presence.

Your incesant quoting of the bible brings me to an interesting point that I've made before.

Not only does the bible make very little sense unless all kinds of assumptions are made about the meanings, but it really isn't even written that well.

I mean, all the religious people say how it's the greatest book ever. But it really isn't.

If I were to truly believe Lord of the Rings was the word of god, and everything in it were true, it would contain just as many lessons, show me just as many truths, be way easier to understand, and at the same time, actually be entertaining.

Side: worm food
loefflerjj06(21) Disputed
1 point

The Bible is more than just factual knowledge. You have to believe it to understand it. Their is a knowledge to you can only attain by experiencing it. For example, I would not know what love is if i was not first loved. I will try to find some time to respond to your arguments against my premences later on this week. I will think them over.

Side: more than just factual knowledge
xaeon(1093) Disputed
2 points

What you wrote makes me think of this image.

Supporting Evidence: Bible Cycle (theframeproblem.files.wordpress.com)
Side: worm food