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They didn't earn it like I Surely there must be a mistake
Debate Score:20
Arguments:19
Total Votes:25
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What if you were the only member of your family to get into heaven?

It could happen.  You could discover your wife, your kids, your grandparents, etc, just didn't have the right beliefs or that they had sins you didn't know about which were unresolved.  So then are you going to just be happy you made it and get on with your own eternity or are you going to be sad your family is suffering in hell for eternity?

They didn't earn it like I

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Surely there must be a mistake

Side Score: 8
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Before I respond I would like to preface that I do not believe in religion or the existence of hell and heaven. On the other hand, this philosophical debate as a hypothetical interests me.

Seeing as the only two response options that are given to us in this debate are: "they didn't earn it like I" or "surely there must be a mistake" -- through my understanding I would have to answer that "They didn't earn it like I".

Although of course I will be sad and distraught about all my loved ones being in hypothetical hell, the reason why I would have to go with this side is because if they are in Hell then they must have hypothetically all sinned. Otherwise they would all be in heaven with me according to the "criterion of being allowed to enter heaven".

If we take the assumption of christianity that assumes that A) a god exists, and B) to get to heaven you must have not sinned and/or if you have you must have repented for the sins, then logically everyone else but me must have somehow sinned and never repented.

Of course I do not believe I would be happy knowing that they were in hell, and quite frankly if we were playing by the book I would technically also be in hell because I don't believe in religion.

Ultimately I believe that although this question was hypothetically interesting, that the two response choices were poorly selected and thus the debate is a bit empty.

Side: They didn't earn it like I
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Of course I do not believe I would be happy knowing that they were in hell, and quite frankly if we were playing by the book I would technically also be in hell because I don't believe in religion.

I do not believe anybody would be happy knowing that they were in hell, and quite frankly if you were playing by the book you would technically be in hell because you don't believe in miracles.

Side: Surely there must be a mistake

Heaven would be hell at some point. You must have duality or you lose track of what's good

Side: They didn't earn it like I
1 point

It wouldn't be heaven if they are there.

Side: They didn't earn it like I
0 points

you can't "earn" Salvation (Heaven) ..................................................

Side: They didn't earn it like I
Grenache(6053) Clarified
2 points

Great, then there is no reason whatsoever for any of us to try or to even worry about it. The invitations were mailed before we were born.

Side: They didn't earn it like I
LadyLinkstar(415) Clarified
1 point

You have no idea how happy that made me. Good job man .

Side: They didn't earn it like I
0 points

hahahhahaha, you can't earn it. If you think you can earn it, you are going to fall short and end up in Hell and your family members who are there will be no comfort to you nor you to them...sorry.

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Grenache(6053) Disputed
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Meh, none of what you say stings me. But what it does demonstrate over and over again is you're quite sadistic for a so called Christian.

Side: Surely there must be a mistake
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

You think you have earned it. That's the funny thing. You don't even know what the word earn means.

Side: Surely there must be a mistake
1 point

I don't see how anyone could be happy knowing the people they loved and took care of in real life are being burned and torn to bits by demons while they sit safely in heaven.

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Hugoyoghur(52) Disputed
1 point

Although I agree with your sentiment, I do not believe this argument has to do at all with the side you are siding with which is "surely there must be a mistake". Could you clarify your point on this?

Side: They didn't earn it like I
1 point

I don't see how anyone could be happy knowing the people they loved and took care of in real life are being burned and torn to bits by demons while they sit safely in heaven.

Most Christians don't see how anyone could be excited knowing the people they loved and took care of outside of the Bible are being burned and torn to bits by demons while they sit guarded in heaven.

Side: They didn't earn it like I
dadman(1703) Disputed
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demons don't "tare" anyone in Hell .... of all they will suffer torment the most / worse

Side: They didn't earn it like I
Grenache(6053) Clarified
1 point

So then you're OK with all your family being there - as long as they're not being mutilated?

Side: They didn't earn it like I
0 points

knowing the terror of the LORD ... we live to persuade men ................

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Grenache(6053) Clarified
1 point

The terror of the lord? Did the New Testament lose a bet against the Old Testament?

Side: They didn't earn it like I

I would advise them to sneak in by the back door and then claim 'Asylum Seeker's Rights''. They would have to be accepted by the Archangel Saint Gabriel on humanitarian grounds and would end up enjoying more privileges than the average Angel.

Side: Surely there must be a mistake
Grenache(6053) Clarified
1 point

But I hear Trump is building a wall and he's making God pay for it

Side: They didn't earn it like I