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Nature Man
Debate Score:37
Arguments:17
Total Votes:47
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What is TRUE and what IS are not always the same.

Black people are not inherently inferior to whites.
In society, black people have an inferior position to whites.
Money is less real than actual natural resources.
In society, we uselessly destroy natural resources for profit.
Christianity is sick and perverted.
Christianity is seen as the height of morality by western society.
Western culture is sick and evil.
Western culture is the dominant force on this planet.


Nature

Side Score: 20
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Man

Side Score: 17

What is TRUE and what IS are not always the same

True. A work of fiction "is", but is not "true".

A lie "is", but is not "true".

Side: Nature
1 point

I agree there are some Christians that are sick and perverted. That doesn't mean that ALL or even a majority are. Christianity is NOT the moral compass in the United States, the Constitution is. You know, that piece of paper in your avatar? Those sick and perverted ones would like to change that. I have NEVER seen anything that actually IS, not be true. If it IS, it HAS to be true! Unless you don't believe your lying eyes ....??? By the way, if you believe what you posted you are sick and perverted.

Side: Nature
1 point

You are forgetting one major flaw in your argument: you nor any human on this planet even knows what is TRUE. All your beliefs and truths are simply subjective. It may be true to you but it is not true for another. If you are God himself, then your perception is perfect and without flaw, but you are not. Therefore whatever you say is not accurate. It's only accurate to how you perceive the world and truth.

Side: Nature
somnambulism(3) Clarified
1 point

Then everything you said is just subjective and there is no reason you should assume that everything is subjective because that's just your subjective conclusion.

Side: Nature
1 point

Black people are not inherently inferior to whites.

The average IQ of blacks begs to differ.

In society, black people have an inferior position to whites.

Only when whites aren't there to clean up their sorry act.

Money is less real than actual natural resources.

Money represents the value of actual resources. Money helps us manage resources.

In society, we uselessly destroy natural resources for profit.

You are a halfwit cretin.

Christianity is sick and perverted.

Christianity is better than most when it comes to morality.

Christianity is seen as the height of morality by western society.

And Islam is seen as such by the middle east.

Western culture is sick and evil.

Everyone else is backwards and primitive in comparison.

Western culture is the dominant force on this planet.

Because it is the best.

Side: Man
xMathFanx(1742) Disputed
1 point

@Haytham

The average IQ of blacks begs to differ.

People generally have a very skewed perception of what IQ is measuring, how it attempts to measure it, and the mistaken belief that it is static.

It is true that all humans are born with certain "hardware" on a spectrum of "lowest grade" to "highest grade" and that this will vary from person to person. Also, it is entirely plausible (although by no means verified) that there could be statistically relevant differences in the average when comparing between races as is seen with other physical/biological features. Furthermore, ones "hardware" can be influenced to relevant degrees due to healthy or unhealthy development (e.g. nutrition, use/abuse alcohol & other drugs, chronic stress, severe social isolation, ect.).

This is quite similar to human natural body types; Ectomorph, Mesomorph, Endomorph

Now, a natural Ectomorph will have a lower starting place then a Mesomorph in terms of Physical prowess, and will also (very likely) have lower constraints/potential than the Mesomorph. However, once Physical training is applied, this natural gap will quite quickly close and if one were to "test" an Ectomorph who had been training for 2 years say, they would likely conclude that person just "is" a Mesomorph if given no prior information about their background. Also, Humans have in no way come close to "maxing out" their athletic potential, so even high range Mesomorphs of today (who also train) will one day be feeble by comparison to the Ectomorph athletes of the future (at some undetermined date, say 50, 100, 200 years from now). Thus, the most salient variables are:

(A) Is one in Normal Range or is there a strong deviation above or below the average?

- If they are a strong deviation below the average, that will preclude them from serious advancement and be highly limiting indeed

- If they are in the average, essentially any feet human's have currently attained is within their grasp provided they train sufficiently & appropriately (although it will require significantly more effort for some compared to others)

- If they are a strong deviation above average, it is (nearly) "sky is the limit" compared to what human's are currently used to (depending upon how much they train toward that end). These tend to be the people who force change in the rest of the "average range" population after them, while they are the leaders/pioneers--everyone else subsequently adapts in order to "survive" after the "hard work" is already done by said leaders

(B) How much are they willing to train, and what sort of "software" is available to them at the time?

This dynamic (roughly speaking) similarly applies with intelligence and training/studying due to Neuroplasticity.

Side: Nature
seanB(736) Disputed
1 point

The average IQ of blacks begs to differ

The fact that black people have a lower average IQ than whites doesn't mean white people are inherently smarter, or that white people are endowed with a faculty for intelligence greater than that of black people. It could also mean: black people have on average less access to a formal education; black people on average care less for academia; black people on average think in ways that can't be quantified in a standardized IQ test.

People who think like you do without looking at variables are inherently unintelligent.

Only when whites aren't there to clean up their sorry act

Oh please.

Money represents the value of actual resources. Money helps us manage resources.

Only if you ignore how fiat currency is created.

Christianity is better than most when it comes to morality

It's Christianity that was the shackle that oppressed people for hundreds of years throughout Europe. It was secularist people who freed Europe from that shackle. The same goes for your Constitution: it was a secular endeavour.

Christians are only as moral as secular law makes them. Remove law tomorrow, and it won't be long before Christians are forcing conversions, whipping people in the streets and executing heretics, not to mention sexually abusing kids.

Side: Nature
joebloggs Disputed
0 points

The average IQ of blacks begs to differ.

So, according to your eugenics logic, whites are inherently inferior to Asians.

Money represents the value of actual resources.

No it doesn't, idiot. It represents the scarcity of those resources, whether real or implied. Value is subjective, which precludes your statement from being true. If your statement were true then a drink of water would cost a thirsty person more than a diamond ring.

Side: Nature
5 points

So, according to your eugenics logic, whites are inherently inferior to Asians

Of course. That's why liberal colleges discriminate against Asians to get liberals in.

Side: Man
Haytham(24) Disputed
2 points

whites are inherently inferior to Asians.

Yep. But there is a much smaller difference between whites and asians than between whites and blacks. Also blacks are superior to whites in one way, and whites are superior to asians in the same way. I will let you guess what that is.

No it doesn't, idiot. It represents the scarcity of those resources

Don't give me that communist venus project bullshit.

Side: Man
1 point

I'm sorry but all the above arguments and statements prove exactly what I said. Listen to all the squabbling. It will never end because everyone thinks they know the truth and everyone thinks the way they perceive the world is the real world. FALSE. Everyone is false and true at the same time (true in thats how they perceive the world and false in that how they perceive things doesn't mean it's true or reality), therefore this entire argument is nullified and can hold no water. It's just going to be a million people squabbling like we have done since the dawn of civilization who is right and wrong, true and untrue, the best and not the best, yada yada yada, and in 100 years from now, people will still squabble in the exact same way.

Side: Man