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Trump Islam
Debate Score:90
Arguments:67
Total Votes:101
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What is more dangerous, Islam or Donald Trump

Trump

Side Score: 33
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Islam

Side Score: 57
2 points

all Muslims are bad ??

Estimates average around 7% of the worlds Islamic population are engaged in some active form of terror activity, in some sort of active support, planning or implementing mode. 7% seems like a relatively small proportion. However, assuming a moderate estimate of 1.5 billion Muslims, even 5% would be what?

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5% of 1.5 billion = "only" 75 million (75,000,000) are actively involved in some phase of violent Jihad ............. see the list of Islamic attacks

Side: Trump
Ignoramis(381) Disputed
3 points

I'm not saying that as a group that they are doing good. What I am saying is that Christians and Catholics/Protestants are no better. The better religions are oddly Buddhism, Hinduism, and Seekism ... and oddly maybe even Scientology. Catholics and Muslims both get crazy. But I can say this, I've met as many good Muslims as I have Christians, and they have one thing in common. They are not strictly religious.

Myanmar, Muslims are persecuted. There is no middle ground with religious fanatics. They just attack or get attacked. This applies to Christians and Muslims they are equally as bad historically.

The Nazi movement was Christian as was the KKK.

Side: Islam
dadman(1703) Disputed
0 points

The Nazi movement was Christian as was the KKK.

this shows you know nothing of Nazism and even less of Christianity .... your user name is indeed fitting

Side: Trump
1 point

only seven percent of Germans were Nazis when Hitler rose to power....how did that go?

Side: Trump
2 points

Trump has a destructive agenda especially his angle on the middle east and jihadi terrorism. His propaganda to eradicate families of suspected terrorists and his land invasion plans into Syria to wage war against the islamic state to seize its oil. Also his plans to ban all muslims traveling to the U.S. is just going to fuel the radical islamic groups putting U.S in imminent danger. Here we are discussing which is more dangerous, yes Islam is accounted for many terrorist attacks but look at the bigger picture if Trump were to act on his plan. He's playing with fire.

Side: Trump
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Trump or no Trump, Islam is bent on destroying America and Israel and seeks world domination. You can bow to Allah now if you want to.

Side: Islam
Ignoramis(381) Disputed
1 point

Not Islam, the radicals in Islamic countries, because the government doesn't have a strong foot hold over its population because they lack resources and workers and organization.

Side: Trump
Ignoramis(381) Disputed
1 point

It seems extreme, however, that is how Christianity spread its religion initially. Killing groups of people does solve problems, although, we'd hate to think it. It is difficult to isolate radicals from regulars, because people LIE.

Side: Islam
2 points

Islam doesn't depend at all on how dangerous the people end up becoming. In fact, living in a Muslim country, the religion is like many others and expects only the best and most selfless ways of those who follow the religion and happens to be very safe. There are dangerous people worldwide, and their religion doesn't matter. If they were to blame it on religion, anybody from any religion would find a way to justify their religion for their reason. The only reason why we think that Islam is so dangerous, is because it's the only danger we ever hear of because we are blocked from the danger that happens in a lot of other religions as well.

Side: Trump
2 points

I am aware of all the horrendous acts that are committed by certain so-called 'Muslims' on countries throughout the world but I am also aware that an entire religion simply cannot be blamed for the actions of a set few extremists. Extremist Islamic groups, such as ISIS, are not Muslims. They merely hide behind a religion and a God in order to have some 'reasoning' for the heinous crimes that they commit. They not only bring shame onto the religion that they deface, but they also bring the punishment down on the innocent Muslims of the world who have to face the blame. Yes, something needs to be done about these extremist groups but, by electing racist leaders, such as Trump, we are not only encouraging racial acts of violence towards Muslims but we are also giving ISIS what they want. We are ultimately segregating Muslims from non-Muslims and we are showing that we are racially intolerant and guided by the actions of few. Are we saying that Christians, Catholics and other religions have never blown anyone up? Trump's ideas not only cause a massive religious division between the Muslims and the non-Muslims, but it also shows that racism is still alive in the USA and around the world.

Side: Trump
1 point

Trump for isolating a religion, and making everyone think that all Muslims are bad.

Side: Trump
Cartman(18192) Disputed
4 points

You can blame radical Muslims for the idea that all Muslims are bad.

Side: Islam
Ignoramis(381) Disputed
1 point

I've noticed that Christianty and the Roman Catholic Church seem to somehow keep a pure reputation despite their history of persecution and bias. Look at how Christians persecute the Muslims in Myanmar, the KKK and Nazi movement (Christian). It seems as if only China has taken appropriate action towards dealing with religious wars.

Side: Trump
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
1 point

There have been many radical Christians too. That doesn't mean all Christians are bad.

People with common sense know this is true .... regardless of the religion. Donald Trump is lacking in that category.

Side: Trump
1 point

Islam is only perceived to be dangerous because of a few radical fundamentalists who are fighting against a giant, oppressive force. This force is The USA and Donald Trump is an excellent representation of a deeply flawed political system. Islamic terrorism does not appear out of nowhere, it comes directly from the brutal, indiscriminate, military action from a country with poorly disguised imperialistic motives, the principal of which is obtaining oil.

When you devastate a country in order to exploit its resources there is little wonder there is a violent backlash. In fact I'm surprised it isn't worse. Donald Trump's policies, and those of his predecessors (Obama included) create terrorism. Not Islam. Islam is just the scapegoat that the American media use to excuse their awful actions in these countries.

Furthermore, Donald Trump denies climate change, that looming, imminent catastrophe that requires immediate action.

Side: Trump
Ignoramis(381) Disputed
2 points

You are blaming the US for doing something to an Islamic country, that they would do to themselves? The powerful in those countries would take the resources, and give very little to the poor. They'd claim because they were Sheikhs, or royalty, that it was their birth right. The reality is that the US isn't oppressive, it is people with power, the points of contact that are pointing fingers at the US and giving them random motives. In reality, if the US government is aware of a wrong, they should take measures to rectify it. In Islamic countries, if you do that, they'd kill you.

But Donald Trump's opinion on oil and climate change is definitely a vote killer. He is the past. None of the candidates are future seeing.

Side: Islam
IAmSparticus(1516) Clarified
1 point

Wait, so the U.S. can't be oppressive because there are oppressive groups within many Muslim nations? That doesn't make sense. The U.S. is indeed often quite oppressive, like when we killed the democratically elected ruler of Iran, or when we call drone strikes on civilian weddings, etc.

Side: Trump
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
1 point

What we did in Afghanistan was justified. I agree with you as far as Iraq goes. Obama was left with a situation, including a treaty signed by Dubya that we would pull out ALL American troops by a certain date. The "interim leader", also chosen by Dubya, almost immediately disbanded the Iraqi Army with their weapons and no jobs and these became the major part of the ISIS of today. No ISIS didn't appear out of nowhere, it appeared out of Bush/Cheney policies! (And the oil reference is also correct.)

Side: Trump
1 point

Trump is more dangerous IF he gets the nuclear codes. Isis is not NEARLY as dangerous as Putin, China or that nuclear nutcase in N. Korea! With the say over whether to use Nuclear weapons, Trump would be at LEAST as dangerous as the aforementioned. It is not Islam that is dangerous, it is the USE of Islam by radicals that is dangerous. The USE of Christianity by radicals would be equally as dangerous. That's exactly WHY Obama and Clinton and most liberals support, but not blindly, Netanyahu. He is a radical who must be tempered, otherwise he TOO would be dangerous.

Side: Trump
3 points

I don't remember Trump blowing up Paris.

Side: Islam
Ignoramis(381) Disputed
0 points

Give Donald Trump time. He hasn't had the ability to access to a nuclear bomb.

Side: Trump
2 points

Ok, not a bad point, but the answer of who IS more dangerous still remains Islam. Who will be more dangerous I guess I can't answer.

Side: Islam

Trump is just a passing fad; Islam is a blight on humanity that has been around for over 1500 years with no cure in sight.

Side: Islam
3 points

Right at this moment - Islam. But give Trump a Presidency and his finger on nuclear weapons and then it would be Trump.

Side: Islam

A very mischievous and leading question. Simply by answering automatically assumes that Donald Trump is a danger, which he is not. Islam is the greatest evil which the world has seen since the demise of Hitler's Nazi Germany.

Side: Islam
Ignoramis(381) Disputed
1 point

Extremists. You seem to have forgotten the history of systematic repression that has existed in Christian countries for centuries and really only subsiding significantly in the last 40 years.

1) There were still race riots in the US in the 70s

2) Nazi's in the 40s exterminated all Jews

3) The US which has "in God we Trust" on the back of its $20 bill attacked Vietnam, a buddhist country

4) Woman got the right to vote only 100 years ago (although, I am assuming the girls at the time were pretty stupid and racist as well)

5) Ancient Christian states didn't consider rape a crime: http://www.vice.com/read/for-context-heres-how-various-societies- punished-rapists

6) The Crusades

The reality is that Islam is probably less dangerous than Christian countries.

Did you know that Saddam Hussain was given the keys to the city of Detroit in the 80s?

Did you know the US killing Saddam Hussain allowed the terrorist muslim groups he was keeping at bay to rise? Yet it was a necessary evil? Nothing is ever black and white. The world is a much more complex place than something being all bad or all good.

I don't like a lot of things in Islam, but, Catholics and Christians are much worse.

Side: Trump

The biggest threat to the West is Islam. Islam and climate change; the two biggest threats to Western civilization.

Side: Islam
WillNottley(5) Disputed
1 point

Donald Trump denies climate change and proposes further war with Islam, thus increasing their hatred towards the West.

If you consider the two biggest threats to Western Civilisation these two things then Donald Trump will make them worse.

Also, why are you only focusing on Western Civilisation?

Side: Trump
2 points

Estimates average around 7% of the worlds Islamic population are engaged in some active form of terror activity, in some sort of active support, planning or implementing mode. 7% seems like a relatively small proportion. However, assuming a moderate estimate of 1.5 billion Muslims, even 5% would be what?

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5% of 1.5 billion = "only" 75 million (75,000,000) are actively involved in some phase of violent Jihad ............. see the list of Islamic attacks

Side: Islam
2 points

Islam. The Paris attacks, several bombings, and these quotes (not to say there are no good Muslims, but think of how these quotes can be interpreted):

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Yeah um, I think any of those and more if you look in the Quran could easily be interpreted as "kill all non-believers", "kill all Jews", or even "kill the entire planet other than Muslims." Based on how that is often being interpreted by terrorists and the amount of debate, even between nice Muslims and extremist Muslims, I think that makes Islam a bigger danger.

By comparison Trump is just technically the USA and isn't a guaranteed threat. I also don't know if every little thing he's doing is necessarily bad because there is more of a chance that he's right than there is a chance that I'm going to go to hell for not converting to Islam, if there is even a hell at all which we don't know.

Based on all that, and the fact that Trump is more of a threat to Islam than the US (not saying he's not a threat to the US), then I think Islam is a greater threat to humanity and not just to Trump. Thus, Islam is the greater threat.

Also any scenario where Trump blows up Earth or where Earth ends won't happen because no one in either party in either the house of representatives or the senate will agree to anything that extreme. That will prevent such things from happening. That won't necessarily prevent ISIS from destroying the world though. At least, I don't think it will by itself. If Trump is elected, we probably are going to war with radical Islamic terror, but we're actually safer with that and everything he is going to do otherwise than electing Hillary and ignoring that and letting them take all of Europe and Asia and Africa before moving onto the US.

Obama should have bombed ISIS five years ago when it was small. Look what he did instead. Islam is WAY more dangerous than Trump could ever be.

Side: Islam
Ignoramis(381) Disputed
2 points

Christianity - The holocaust.

Old Testament - An eye for an eye.

Don't let me get into the hypocrisy of religious books because I can tear the Bible up.

Just know this, both Chrisitians and Muslims have a lot of radicals.

Side: Trump
1 point

Today, there are no Christian theocracies, but there are many Islamic theocracies that embrace the commands of Mohammad and Sharia Law.

Side: Islam
2 points

what is really dangerous is the idea that somebody stupide enough to compare The Donald to Islam could actually be allowed to vote.

LOL.

There oughtta be an IQ test required in order to get a voter registration card. Call this prejudice or elitism or whatever the fuck you want: I would vote for that legislation in a Dee-troit second!

Side: Islam
1 point

LOL I say he's 15 at most .

Side: Islam

The more dangerous person is the fool who actually compares the danger of Trump to radical Islam. That takes a very stupid dangerous person.

Hillary is a proven power hungry corrupt liar who creates her own server to keep her corruption secret. She supports no limit abortions in nine states. She is so power hungry she stayed married to an accused rapist who purportedly had 100 affairs.

Would you stay with a spouse who had done that to you? THAT IS HER RADICAL THIRST FOR POWER, and the power of the Left to control our lives with Big Brother Government.

But we have radicals on the Left who will still vote for her over Trump(who has yet to be proven corrupt) beause they are lost in their socialistic ideology.

Do you know why our politics are so corrupt? Becuase we have idiots who STILL VOTE for politiciians who have been proven to be corrupt! These politicians have learned one lesson over and over. You can get way with murder if you pander to people with tax payer dollars.

Side: Islam
1 point

You are voting for the candidate who actively wants more debt.

Remember that.

Side: Trump
1 point

The classic "what about the other side" liberal technique.

Side: Islam
1 point

Muslims since they are primitive, uncivilized, violent, and only slightly more evolved than Neanderthals.

Side: Islam
WillNottley(5) Disputed
1 point

Donald Trump because he genuinely agrees with an opinion like yours.

Side: Trump