Sounds to me by the way you phrased your question you are looking for more for people that agree with you than you are a debate?
1444 days ago | Side: What is up with all the right-wing extremism lately?
As you can see from the format this is not a two sided debate. The question is why is this happening lately. If left-wing extremists committed two acts of terrorism in 11 days I would be asking the reverse question. I am no partisan, and my wording of the question reflects what many right wing extremists believe. There are people who think Obama is literally the antichrist or whatever. That is relevant. You could have just put you think there is no coincidence and actually try to participate, but you instead say nothing by trying to implicate me as a partisan. Sarcasm and hyperbole, look them up.
1444 days ago | Side: What is up with all the right-wing extremism lately?
you've inspired me to ask why Left Wing extremism has killed more people than any other radical extremism... (Communism).
1443 days ago | Side: extremists always resort to violence
At the point you are talking about both sides have reached totalitarianism. Nazis on the right of us and Communists on the left of us, but that is only from our own political context. Totalitarianism looks like totalitarianism regardless or which side of the spectrum it's on. You may be right about the body counts of the 20th century, but I wouldn't give either side an edge overall in our history. They're the same thing.
1443 days ago | Side: What is up with all the right-wing extremism lately?
Times like this are when I wish I could have unlimmited up voting privilages.
1431 days ago | Side: What extremism
It's too bad you didn't actually read his debate where he took back what he said about left-wing extremism being responsible for more deaths.
1431 days ago | Side: What is up with all the right-wing extremism lately?
It's too bad you assumed that was what I was talking about.
1430 days ago | Side: What extremism
You responded to his statement that he later recanted with strong affirmation. Where was my error in logic?
1430 days ago | Side: What is up with all the right-wing extremism lately?
I see what you are saying. May I ask, did you see the "?" at the end of the sentence? That implies a question....maybe I was wondering what you meant by the way you worded it.
1306 days ago | Side: What is up with all the right-wing extremism lately?
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1431 days ago | Side: What extremism
I have not noticed anything. People have a right to be upset about people they do not agree with in power. Your problem is that just because someone does not like Obama does not mean that you are racist.
1444 days ago | Side: What extremism
Is it hard to breathe in that bubble? link link
1444 days ago | Side: extremists always resort to violence
My favorite part about Dr. Tiller's murder is that the suspect was called a murderer, but the Muslim who killed an army recruiting officer one day later was called a terrorist. But Dr. Tiller's murder is really sad. Later-term abortions and abortions in general are a necessary evil, and I have read countless stories of women who are incredibly thankful to his services and the compassionate and gentle way in which he rendered. Now that he is dead his family is closing his clinic and there are very few late-term abortion doctors. Fortunately I heard another doctor is going to start offering late-term abortions. It's still sad that someone who risked his life to help other people was murdered because of a magical space god.
1444 days ago | Side: extremists always resort to violence
Yeah, funny how that works, I guess it doesn't matter the level of insanity, only how many people share the insanity when it comes to terrorism vs. murder.
1444 days ago | Side: extremists always resort to violence
"The only thing separating conservative Christians and the Taliban is about 8000 miles."
1444 days ago | Side: extremists always resort to violence
Well, U.S. Christians also have prosperity and peers like myself and you who can now and then introduce a level of sanity, But take away electricity, media outside of say Billy Graham, and normal people to compare themselves to, your average everday harmless Christian is strapping on a bomb and trying to hurry along the Apocolypse.
1444 days ago | Side: extremists always resort to violence
There is a forum called Rapture Ready I think where Christians talk about how excited they are for the world to end. Don't go there if you want to have a sound nights sleep again.
1444 days ago | Side: extremists always resort to violence
Late term abortions are murder. The babies that Tiller aborted were able to live outside the mother. The man killed babies for money and ided because of it. He should not have been killed, but I can not say it is all that bad.
1444 days ago | Side: What extremism
Would you like to have a separate debate about late-term abortions?
1444 days ago | Side: extremists always resort to violence
Okay, but you have to set it up because I'm not sure how.
1444 days ago | Side: What extremism
This is wrong. There were, at the time of his death, only 3 late term abortionists left. This procedure is medically necessary sometimes to save the mother's life when there are complications or to terminate the child when debilitating birth defects are found late in pregnancy. The man was performing the procedures legally when they were necessary, and he was murdered by a religious zealot who just showed the utter insanity of calling yourself pro-life, and then killing someone. But it's not all that bad!?! Pro-lifers are all hypocrites, ALL. They only seem to care about unborn children. They could care less about homeless children they could actually adopt and help. I guess it's just easier being a hypocrite than backing up your words.
1442 days ago | Side: What is up with all the right-wing extremism lately?
"Pro-lifers are all hypocrites, ALL." I think from reading your other arguments that you're better than a blanket statement like that. Have you talked to every single pro-life person and confirmed that they don't care about adopting children, or that they would kill a late-term abortion doctor?
1431 days ago | Side: I have to go on a small tangent here
You're absolutely right. Fallacy of Composition. I let my words get away from me. I could word it differently to make it correct, but I think the point can be acertained. Good job calling me on it. up-vote for you.
1430 days ago | Side: What is up with all the right-wing extremism lately?
He lives in Anchorage, cut him some slack. I haven't heard of those stories before either. And I live in New Jersey.
1443 days ago | Side: What is up with all the right-wing extremism lately?
My problem? Are you really so stupid as to believe my question implied that for all right wingers? No one said that tugman, but to rule that out as a possibility when people are are being killed is naive at best. The holocaust museum killer was a white supremacist, that's a fact. Not liking Obama is one thing. Killing people over your political views is something completely different.
1444 days ago | Side: What is up with all the right-wing extremism lately?
They feel they are losing control. Anytime there is a major change in a society, even if that change is only in perception, elements from the opposite side resort to violence. Terrorism is the only final result of extremism, whether it's al-quada flying planes into towers, McVays blowing up buildings, kids shooting up schools, or "pro-lifers" ironically killing law abiding doctors. In their own head they see the world crashing in on them... meanwhile nothing all that mind blowing is going on right now, but in their heads the world is changing in some terrible way, and the ends they think justifies the means. In this case the catalyst is a liberal and black president. Meanwhile in real life anyone who knows anything about politics can see pretty clearly Obama is not nearly as liberal as liberals believed, and certainly not as liberal as the right wing likes to make-believe, but you have talking heads and a cable news network propogating completely false ideas like he's a muslim, he doesn't have a birth certificate, he's a socialist, etc, etc. Now these people, the government they live in has completely gone to hell they think, they think there is no hope, and there is always some personal trigger on top of this. They listen to Rush and Mike Savage and Ann Coulter who never come out and say it's okay to blow shit up and kill, but they insinuate, and that's who these people listen to, and so they kill, and blow shit up. It's not surprising, infact the Bush administration was given a report of the possible rise in extremism the months after if Obama were to be elected... You know what the right wing did with it? Pay attention because deep down we're all Americans and the voter decides who wins elections? Of course not, they made the author apologize. Well here we are... big surprise.
1444 days ago | Side: extremists always resort to violence
Hmm, two cases and the Liberals pounce... I love it. Well, I guess we should start with Tiller: Obama's response to Tiller's death "shock and outraged" Obama's response to military recruiter's death "deeply saddened". Makes sense though, Obama supports late term abortions and has always been against the war. So of course he'd be pissed off at death of a guy who did exactly what he supported and only saddened (as we always are by any death) at the death of a military recruiter. So anyway, Tiller's death was covered a shit load. NBC even tried to blame Bill O'Reilly for his death. It went on and on about Right Wing extremism and holy shit, look at the right wing extremists!!!! Yet, when the army recruiter died, most of the news didn't even want to say the guy's name (is Islamic name which he changed it to), they used his birth name. LOL, talk about fair coverage. And, of course, nothing about Radical Islam was said. Except on Fox News, but of course they'll report EVERYTHING... So anyway. The holocaust memorial. Yep, another sad story about how some racist faggot goes and kills a guard at a holocaust memorial. The thing is, he's an old white supremacist who snapped. It wasn't about Obama (because he would have gone to the Lincoln Memorial instead), it was just about his hatred towards the Jews. In fact, it would be more appropriate to relate this event to the situation in the Middle East since Israel is nearly impossible to take down. The fact that Jews can be so strong probably finally pissed this guy off so he went to the Holocaust Museum and decided to start shit.
1444 days ago | Side: extremists always resort to violence
It's not that there were 2, It's that there were 2 in 11 days. And yeah, these people listen to right wingers like O'Reilly, who refer to him as a "Tiller the killer" and they take it as a free pass to commit violence. And I know you know at least enough about the human psyche to realize that having a "muslim, socialist, fascist, baby killer" in office is the catalyst that puts these psychos over the edge.
1444 days ago | Side: What is up with all the right-wing extremism lately?
1. possibly. 2. Well, he is a baby killer in a way. Just because you call him a baby killer (which everyone calls a later term abortion doctor), doesn't mean that it's their fault for someone else killing him. Tiller was covering instances of child rape and was performing late term abortions with no legal reason (which is why he was facing charges). O'Reilly criticized him for it. and he did the right thing. it's sort of fucked up to say that O'Reilly is somehow responsible for this man's death. 3. No, it's not what puts a man over the edge. He had man beefs before and was a convicted felon. He had even kidnapped a federal worker many years before. Plus, he was having many struggles with the Recession. Maybe he found out that his house was close to being foreclosure or that his light was going to get shut off and he decided that the Jew Capitalist pigs were responsible. That is what these anti-Semites think... It's always the corporate jew's fault.
1444 days ago | Side: extremists always resort to violence
Well, I am for free speach, and if O'Reilly wants to call someone a baby killer that's fine, my beef is with the idea he can put forth such a simple arguement to such a complex issue, and people still think his opinion on the matter is actually relevant. Tillerman faced charges, but was found innocent. He had a legal right to perform the abortions he performed though, he wasn't acting outside of the law. I have a feeling people like the terrorist who killed Tillerman have this idea in their head, that somehow these babies are in the womb playing jump rope or something, all healthy and thougtful already. The fact is there are extreme cases where a girl is way to young to have to burden the responsibility of a child, where they were raped by a family member who should be castrated, they're lost and scared and don't know what to do, being children themselves. And these poor kids on top of that have to put up with all these holier than now types casting their first stones. Meanwhile there are other cases where the fetus is literally so deformed, doctors already know that they will be born, live in excruciating pain for maybe an hour, then die a terrible death anyway... and still these people want these poor girls to go through with this horrendous pregnancy. So much compassion for these fetuses that every scrap of science says have no self-awareness at all. And none for the living right in front of them. And so I find it sickening when people like O'Reilly believe they know oh so much about every individual girl's unique circumstance, that he can pass judgement on them, and their doctor. Are there just some complete bitches out there, who have no morals, and who want to perform a late term abortion for no reason? Of course, just like there are serial killers, and rapists, and all forms of other bastards in the world. But there is not proof that the three, and now only two late term doctors in the country were catering to anyone but the extreme examples of rape and deformity that I mentioned above.
1443 days ago | Side: extremists always resort to violence
the problem was that he was performing the abortions if the money was good, not if there was a good reason. for many of them there was no actual reason listed. O'Reilly even said that there are obvious some reasons where a later term abortion is necessary, but that wasn't his beef with Tiller. It was the fact that Tiller was performing these abortions purely for money.
1443 days ago | Side: extremists always resort to violence
Ugh, it's nearly impossible to have a serious conversation if you insist on using O'Reilly as a credible source. Listen, there's even been a couple circumstances where I agreed with the guy, but he does not do his homework. The case Tillerman was tried and acquited for was just that, that the late term abortions performed did not meet the legal requirements necessary for them to be deemed moral. And the evidence found that indeed, in all of his cases there was moral and legal justification, and so was acquited. If I just went out today and got some hooker pregnant, and 7 months from now she came knocking on my door with a heroine needle in her arm and I don't know, flesh eating bacteria or something, and then we found out we were long lost relatives, and I had 5k in my pocket right now to go get this thing aborted... guess what, it would be too late, and not even Tillerman would have done the procedure even if the fetus was just a little retarded from incest and drugs. The circumstances have to be very extreme, this is what O'Reilly chose to ignore in his coverage. I mean really, Tillerman had been shot before, all three of these doctors have had threats on their lives. How hard up for cash do you think a specialist is? Do you really think a man with a family, would continue doing his job if he and his families lives were in danger? I mean, he could have stopped performing late term abortions at any time, and he could have still easily made 7 figures a year. Don't you think that if he did not believe he was doing the right thing, then he would have stopped by now?
1443 days ago | Side: extremists always resort to violence
it's easy to make up justifications on the spot, don't play in to that. the fact was that he was not recording or explaining any justification for the act when it was necessary then... that's why he faced charges. All you need to do is make up justifications in order to get away with it. I wasn't using O'Reilly as a source, i was just defending his stance on late term abortions. He's okay with them only when necessary.
1443 days ago | Side: extremists always resort to violence
Sorry, I don't consider myself a Liberal. I'm more of a centrist libertarian, but thanks for playing. Your paragraph about Obama parsing words is paranoid at best. Your paragraph about other news organizations not talking about the recruiter is factually wrong, but I can understand this if you only watch FOX since that is exactly what they were claiming. CNN,HLN, and MSNBC all ran the story accuratey. Your bias is showing. Your paragraph about the Holocaust museum shooter is pretty close t the truth and generally I agree.
1444 days ago | Side: What is up with all the right-wing extremism lately?
1. yeah... i never called you a liberal. I said the liberals pounce (those are the types who generally pounce). But I'm glad to see that you're a "centrist libertarian". you must be an advocate of gun rights and against government spending and taxes... 2. It was more of a joke. 3. I said that all they mentioned about the Islamofascist was his birth name. They spent a shit load more time covering the Tiller death... you know, blaming it on O'Reilly. I actually watch CNN and MSNBC as well, just to see if they ever run a story to it's full... so far, MSNBC never does, CNN usually does. Fox, always. Lulz. 4. thanks.
1444 days ago | Side: extremists always resort to violence
once again these mindless fuckin' down votes. Don't the people know that it effects their points as well? I mean, if i wrote "you're poopy"... than yes, that would be a shitty argument that needs a down vote. But posting a well set up argument should just be rebutted and nothing more. What sucks the most is that it's like dealing with children "i disagree so i'm gonna down vote you".
1444 days ago | Side: extremists always resort to violence
Pyg stop using the word islamofascist. It makes you sound like an idiot. No one in any academic setting uses that word because it is nonsenseical and made up. There is no definition of that word you can use to make fit the current world situation. Even the Islamic Extremists who want to reinstate the Caliphate don't fit the term fascist. You'll thank me later when people start taking you more seriously.
1442 days ago | Side: What is up with all the right-wing extremism lately?
you're right, I'm usually against the misuse of the term fascist (because it seems that no one now a days knows what a fascist is [keith obermann]) Radical Muslims is a better term. thank you.
1442 days ago | Side: extremists always resort to violence
there is a lot of left wing extremism like that guy obama he is a lberal pussy
1431 days ago | Side: What extremism
I find the word "extremism" interesting. The left is so scared by the conservative movement that they are throwing lies and words like "extremism" around like a couple of monkeys throwing their poop. [and NO that wasn't a racist comment, find something els] We start to get involved more and care more and exercise our rights peacefully and we are suddenly extremists. What about the media and all of Hollywood trying to sway everyone to the left. That's not extreme? If you don't see a clearly liberal media that has too much control, then you are probably on crack.
1431 days ago | Side: What extremism
"I find the word "extremism" interesting. " You should. It's what rational people say instead of terrorism, because terrorism is a tactic. Extremism is what we have supposedly been fighting against, because, now say it with me, extremists use terrorism. "The left is so scared by the conservative movement that they are throwing lies and words like "extremism" around like a couple of monkeys throwing their poop." You partisans are always full of knee-jerk responses. The Bush white house ordered the reports on both left and right wing extremism. It just so happens the reports said there was more to fear from the right. "We start to get involved more and care more and exercise our rights peacefully and we are suddenly extremists." Are you stupid? Seriously. People are getting shot by a white supremacist in the holocaust museum and a pro-life nut kills a man in his own church, and you really don't understand why people are talking about right wing extremism??? Do you even understand why these people are considered right wing?? "What about the media and all of Hollywood trying to sway everyone to the left. That's not extreme? If you don't see a clearly liberal media that has too much control, then you are probably on crack." What? What the hell does this have to do with anything?! The media didn't make these people kill people. Their beliefs did! If Greenpeace or an anti-corporation militant went out and killed a bunch of people, I'd be talking about left wing extremism.
1430 days ago | Side: What is up with all the right-wing extremism lately?
"Are you stupid? Seriously. People are getting shot by a white supremacist in the holocaust museum and a pro-life nut kills a man in his own church, and you really don't understand why people are talking about right wing extremism??? Do you even understand why these people are considered right wing??" I'm I stupid? How clever. No. I do have to apologies though. I thought you where aiming at conservatives. You where talking about crime. I am also against crime. Which is both on the left and the right.
1429 days ago | Side: What extremism
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