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What is your highest value? How would a society based on this value look?
Which value do you hold above all others? Examples of values might include freedom, order, equality, utilitarianism, scientific progress, spirituality and so on.
What would a society that holds your highest value as it's highest value look like in practice? Can you think of any possible problems with such a society?
I think the French Revolutionaries nailed it here. Liberté, égalité, fraternité (liberty, equality, fraternity) would be among my highest values. Curiosity also. Other important values would be honesty, love, friendship, scientific progress, and free speech.
FREEDOM is my highest value. The United States was founded on that value.. But, there's a lot pushback from Americans who don't think freedom is a good thing..
Oh, they think freedom is good for themselves, but not for everybody.. It's kinda crazy, isn't it?
Damn Con. And just think, you could have valued prostitution and/or rabbit porn. What a pity that you value my right to point out my right to say the far lefts' positions make about as much sense as punching myself in the crotch for being hung like a stud mule.
I can't say that any one of them would be my highest value, I hold scientific study and spirituality ( which are seen as opposite ends of the spectrum) on a pretty equal scale depending on the circumstance. I think the problems with having a highest value is that it could lend itself to extremism which would ultimately be a detriment to all.
"I think the problems with having a highest value is that it could lend itself to extremism which would ultimately be a detriment to all."
Thanks for the reply. As far as I can tell, everyone has a highest value whether they have thought about it or not. When the pursuits of science and spirituality conflict, surely there is one side you lean toward in general? I suppose this is made more complicated by the fact that there are always other values involved. For instance abortion contains a conflict between the values of freedom and human life in addition to the conflict between science and spirituality.
Yes, there are many times I have a hard time balancing one value over another, particularly in cases where I have to make myself realize my values may not align with someone else's, so whose values get to trump another?
They also change. I can not in good faith tell a woman who is making a difficult decision what she may or may not do with her body, now as time progresses and she goes past the first trimester my values at protecting life strengthen. So in your instance, in the first trimester my values of scientific study and freedom have a heavier weight on what I'm ok with. Then as the fetus grows into a child, gains spirit, emotion, feelings....my value of spirituality and life strengthens and counter balances, eventually overtaking scientific value. I hope that makes sense.
I don't think any one value should have such a high regard that it actually stagnates and decreases all others no matter the circumstance. I think, as I said before, when circumstance is bypassed because a certain value is higher than all else, it can be a detriment.
I am one of these people who even in the most dire circumstance would barter to give you my toe to save myself a finger or the other way around depending on whatever I think I need most.
There are not always winning strategies in life, sometimes it's about losing the better loss... Choosing the lesser evil.
This is so important to me and I believe that societies that constantly negotiate and bargain about policies and rights and operate on lesser evil basis are the better places to live in. The places in the world that operate on absolutes of any kind or even worse that bargain for the worse outcome are the least pleasant places to live on Earth.
I hold human life as my highest value. My life is my primary value. The recognition that others value their own the way I value mine produces in me a high valuation for all human life.
I derive all other values from this primary value. The values presented by Classical Liberalism during the enlightenment all lend to the quality of my life, and ultimately to the quality of human life in general.
I derive all other values from this primary value. The values presented by Classical Liberalism during the enlightenment all lend to the quality of my life, and ultimately to the quality of human life in general
He is a popular Youtuber that makes videos about political/social issues and self-identifies as a Classical Liberal (and states that he is a slightly Left-of-Center Centrist) . He is quite popular, with appearances on Joe Rogan, Steven Crowder, ect. ect. I think you may find quite a bit of overlap between your views and his
Interesting, I would have associated the values of classical liberalism more with freedom but you're right, they did indeed greatly increase quality of life. It's also interesting how values interact with one another; for instance in the case of classical liberalism greater freedom resulted in a greater quality of life.
I need to give it more thought. I made this debate because someone I deeply respect made me think about the fact that I don't know what my highest value is.
Nom, you subscribe to a large number of rationaly untenable positions and demand that others unquestionably accept it as "truth".. You are light-years away from haveing "honesty" as your highest value..
Nom, you subscribe to a large number of rationaly untenable positions
@xMathFanx, you are making up your own version of reality again. Take your medication, go to anger management class, learn how to spell words properly, stfu and leave me alone. Your ceaseless sniping is positively infantile. Are you 13 years old or something?
@xMathFanx, you are making up your own version of reality again
If you compiled your various beliefs about reality they could be used to resurrect the The Twilight Zone television series.. It would actually be quite entertaining
If you compiled your various beliefs about reality they could be used to resurrect the The Twilight Zone television series
If I compiled the astonishing amount of times you've harassed me, invented spectacular lies about my beliefs and/or made mean comments for absolutely no justifiable reason, I'd easily have enough material for a restraining order and could probably force you into having a full psychiatric evaluation. Even your attempts at humour are cringeworthy because every solitary word you throw in my direction screams intellectual jealousy. You're pathetic mate.
If I compiled the astonishing amount of times you've harassed me, invented spectacular lies about my beliefs and/or made mean comments for absolutely no justifiable reason, I'd easily have enough material for a restraining order and could probably force you into having a full psychiatric evaluation.
That's a cute way to flip it.. You are the one who has made a number of debates calling out my sn in order to do some absurd "Hitler" comparison/name calling as a smear campaign effort. Also, you have confessed sincere belief in ideas so far fetched it is on par with Scientology (and you know how they feel about Psyciatry)
every solitary word you throw in my direction screams intellectual jealousy.
His Shtick is falsely calling others out for exactly what he does. You must have noticed this. In a debate asking what your highest value is, he said honesty! lol!
Anyway, it may be best to let him blow smoke. Engaging is not a valuable use of time.
His Shtick is falsely calling others out for exactly what he does. You must have noticed this
I know, it is textbook projection
In a debate asking what your highest value is, he said honesty! lol!
What is more concerning is that he believes it and wants to institute a "No Free Speech/No Lying" society based around his "truths".
Anyway, it may be best to let him blow smoke. Engaging is not a valuable use of time.
On an intellectual/logical level I agree. Although on an emotional level I can't help help but want to "push back" out of frustration. I told Nom before, the one thing he is right about is that it is irrational for me to perpetually engage him (as I have been doing) when he is so clearly beyond the pale
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