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What is your job?
Where do you currently work and what do you do? If you want to include wages/salary and hours and pro-cons about it, and where you want to go from where you are now.
I work at Regal Cinemas as a very low level employee who makes minimum wage (so much for being and evil corporate crony). On the side I do some guitar stuff on the side, mainly where I re-string, straighten, intonate and clean friend's guitars for $20. On rare occasion I got to festivals or events and play (screw around and call it improvisation) for tips.
I'm an engineer for Boeing at their Heath plant in Ohio. Recently I traveled to Asia and oversaw a complete update of one Asiana Airlines. Flight 214 will be in the skies for a long time to come.
Oh man, I've been looking for a good engineer for an aircraft I'm building. Is their anyway I can hire you away to help build me a super safe plane? You wouldn't have any issues at your current job, would you?
Oh man, I've been looking for a "good" engineer for an aircraft I'm building. Is their anyway I can hire you away to help build me a "super safe" plane? You wouldn't have any issues at your current job, would you?
I work for a small property management company. I rake, trim, weedwack, mow lawns, and plant trees and such. I typically work from 8AM - 4PM and make 10$ and hour without tax reductions. This is just a summer job and will be used mainly to pay for my car management, phone bill, and possible college supplies like a laptop or tablet and other than that its leisure money.
In the future i plan to go to college to (hopefully) study Astronomy, Astrophysics, or Astrobiology and get a job at a laboratory or observatory somewhere. And if not that, then i will go into Criminalistics and become a forensic investigator.
I work for a company that at the summer time needs people to pick raspberries on a machine. I usually work from 1:30 PM to whenever I am done.
I hope in the future to go to college and become something in the medical field and if I can't make it into college then I will apply for border patrol.
You apply for the border and they will send you to Georgia for 3 months where you stay at this place and they train you you physically to become a border patrol officer and also you have to take tests.
I am a student at something you probably would call college, I don't really know.
At nights I used to work in a grocery store, but right now I am almost 7 months pregnant, so I'm on maternity leave, and it's also summer vacation - so right now I am just trying to enjoy the relaxing time left till I'll become a very busy mother who's trying to handle school whilst taking care of a baby.
Not really. You'll have to sacrifice something in your life to spend time with your baby. Maybe not go out as much, do less homework. Who knows. It kind of limits your opportunities to go to college too: have to worry about if the college is has a day care centre or if its ear enough for your parents to look after it.
Maybe its just that you're denying it to disagree with me but I hope you do really realise how your life is going to change.
You'll have to sacrifice something in your life to spend time with your baby
And I don't think that's sad. I don't see why you would pity me for having a child. That is probably the most stupid thing I've heard. Having children is probably the most natural thing on this planet, and even having children at young ages is far more natural than having children at age 30.
Maybe not go out as much, do less homework.
So ?
It kind of limits your opportunities to go to college too:
If I wanted to go to college I would. A baby doesn't stop me from doing that.
Maybe its just that you're denying it to disagree with me but I hope you do really realise how your life is going to change.
I know how my life is going to change. And I don't disagree with you that my life is going to be tough.
I just find it extremely odd that you pity me, and it annoys me a bit that you pity me for something I think is great.
That is probably the most stupid thing I've heard. Having children is probably the most natural thing on this planet, and even having children at young ages is far more natural than having children at age 30.
That is true. We have developed past that though as a society. There are usually other goals in life.
I guess it just makes me sad that someone seems to have given up on life at such a young age. A lot of 17 of huge dreams of - I don't know - travelling the world, going to college, becoming the top of their profession, or whatever. For you though there isn't that. For you its all about giving yourself to a baby. Its a shame I think because you could have had both. You could have had a dream and realised it while you were younger then devoted to a baby later.
I've realised many of my dreams. I moved to Spain and I'm starting medical school next year to become a doctor.
Its true that maybe with other people their dream are never realised but to be in a situation where you know 99.9% at the age of 17 that those dreams have no chance of happening is very sad for me. Its a shame you didn't see that. I suspect in 5 years time you will.
Its true that maybe with other people their dream are never realised but to be in a situation where you know 99.9% at the age of 17 that those dreams have no chance of happening is very sad for me. Its a shame you didn't see that. I suspect in 5 years time you will.
My dreams have a very good chance of happening, so no need to pity me.
In 5 years I will have a beautiful baby to take care of, and I will realize then that no matter what dreams I had when I was 17 and didn't fulfill, it doesn't really matter now because nothing is worth my child.
You could have done that in 10 years time like most people. You could have pursued other dreams before then. Its true that the better part of your mind will tell you that you're happy with your child because you could never bring yourself to wish your child wasn't there but there will o doubt be another part that tells you you made a mistake: that you could have achieved more.
You know that I mean believing in abortion as a morally okay option when you're pregnant.
Of course I've heard of people that want kids. Generally though they wait until they can support the child themselves as well as maintain a reasonable quality of life from themselves. This is usually in their late 20s. Generally this is better for the baby and better for the parents.
You know that I mean believing in abortion as a morally okay option when you're pregnant.
I am pro-choice, so I don't see your point.
Generally though they wait until they can support the child themselves as well as maintain a reasonable quality of life from themselves.
I can support my child financially, if that is what you mean. I have nothing to whine about there. And no matter how old you are, when you have a kid a ''reasonable quality of life from yourself'' is gone.
That goes for having a baby at the age of 15 or 50, if you will.
This is usually in their late 20s.
Lol.
Generally this is better for the baby and better for the parents.
Better for the baby how?
The best babies are produced between the ages 18-25 for women.
I don't see how waiting till you're 30 is better for the baby, since the chance of having a child with down syndrome rises extremely the older the mother is when having the child.
I don't see how that is better for the parents either.
Like I said, your ideal life is not everyone's ideal life.
And no matter how old you are, when you have a kid a ''reasonable quality of life from yourself'' is gone.
Well yes but usually people want to enjoy their younger years. Giving up years when you're older makes sense.
This is usually in their late 20s.
Lol.
Well, its a shame you think that's funny. The statistical average for a first child is 29 in the UK.
Better for the baby how?
The mother is more mature, so they can cope with it better. They can support them financially (you can't say you're better off now than you will be in 15 years time surely), they are more likely to be with the father of the child, they're more likely to have friends the same age to share the experience with.
Has no one else said this to you? Anyway I assume it wasn't your choice. I should stop being so harsh about something you can't control.
Well when it doesn't go as planned don't pity them.
Well the difference is now that you admit to have planned it. I pity you for feeling that that was the best thing you could with your life this stage.
No, I can't. Maybe I'll be worse then, who knows? All I can say is that I am not dong very bad now.
Well if you earn the same when you're in your late 20s that you earn now then you have failed at life somewhat. I was assuming you would have succeeded.
More than half of all marriages end up in divorce, so that's not so right.
Still a high proportion that are married and most fathers stay in contact with their children after a devorce.
If I were to get an abortion, I would not be able to live with myself.
Well now I know you got pregnant intentionally an abortion doesn't really come into it. A better question is why you chose to become pregnant.
Well the difference is now that you admit to have planned it.
No I never did that.
I pity you for feeling that that was the best thing you could with your life this stage.
I never said it was. Don't pity me, that's all I said.
I was assuming you would have succeeded.
Don't just assume things.
Things rarely go as planned, and things aren't truly the way you assume. And the way things usually go, usually doesn't go.
Well if you earn the same when you're in your late 20s that you earn now then you have failed at life somewhat.
Fail life how? The two of us have a very different perspective on life, I know that for sure. You don't fail life just because you don't earn a high salary.
Well now I know you got pregnant intentionally an abortion doesn't really come into it.
I didn't become pregnant intentionally.
A better question is why you chose to become pregnant.
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Don't assume things. Seriously, because so far you've been way off by assuming my situation. So don't pity me, because you don't know me or my situation.
I think the fact I had to make sure that move wasn't bad shows that I understand the challenge was ill-advised.
Not at this time. I have looked at chess a bit, but never had the attention span to really figure-out how to play well.
But I have always liked the idea of playing chess through the mail, with a complete stranger; although now a days I'm sure it's be email or texts.
If I do buckle down and get a reasonable understanding of chess; I might thousands of opening moves to random phone numbers and see if I get any takers. (A side benefit would be hundreds of "Huh? I think you have the wrong number" responses.)
not exactly. it is quite a rush though. and you've probably seen the Bombay traffic. that is bad. it takes 3 hours to travel 3 km. (this could be exaggerated) ;) but Bombay does have a lot of traffic. otherwise New Delhi and other metropolitan cities aren't so bad. :)
Oh okay. Do you ever go to that festival (I guess that's what it is) where there's a bunch of strange looking guys sitting under tents? There's one guy who looks like an elephant (I think he's called Elephant Baba), and there's another guy who has kept his arm raised most of his life and now it's stuck.
It was definitely a man; not a God... and I don't really know how else to explain the guy with his arm permanently raised. He was dressed like every other guy there. He had a turban and no shirt... actually I don't think he had pants either, but I tried to avoid looking at that lol.
in Hindus, our gods are depicted as humans. so basically, the elephant Baba and the man beside him must have been Ganesha and Shiva.
Ganesha is the son of lord Shiva, who has a blue neck. the raised hand is a way of blessing. it depicts that lord Shiva is blessing us which is why his hand is raised. i got confused when u mentioned that. it was probably lord Shiva you meant. and the turban was actually his hair, tied in a knot above his head. it's complicated if you don'r know or haven't read about the Hindu mythology.
That sounds right. I saw the show a long time ago so I was picturing them with turbans, but your right about their hair being tied in a knot and I do remember it being some sort of religious festival.
Before the summer I was an English teacher earning 15 euros an hour after tax. Now putting all my efforts into getting into medical school so do the occasional private class for 20 euros.
Nothing. I have inherited a lot of money, so I am doing what I can to live a healthy, balanced and suistanable life, while trying to learn as much as I possible can before it's time to actually do any good in society. Going study mathematics after the summer is over.