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Good laws Bad laws
Debate Score:26
Arguments:32
Total Votes:28
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 Good laws (12)
 
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What laws do you believe are good? What laws do you believe are bad?

Good laws

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Bad laws

Side Score: 9
2 points

Hello A:

That's pretty general.. So, I'll give you a general answer.. Laws that regulate BEHAVIOR are good.. Laws that regulate THINGS are bad.

excon

Side: Good laws
Amarel(4987) Clarified
1 point

Would you giving one example of each. .

Side: Good laws
excon(13064) Clarified
1 point

Would you giving one example of each

Hello A:

Drugs are THINGS. Laws against THINGS are bad. Driving while wrecked is BEHAVIOR, and laws against that are good..

excon

Side: Good laws
1 point

Laws that force you to give your money and time to institutions involuntarily (insurance, taxation etc.) laws that protect the right of banks and large corporations to fuck people over and provide them with legal advantages, laws that force ideological conformity or limit what you are allowed to say. In fact, now that I think about it, every law is garbage unless it is designed to stop people from harming and fucking each other over or to limit the governments power.

Side: Bad laws
1 point

There are no good or bad laws, only laws and the social capital that backs them.

Side: Bad laws
Amarel(4987) Clarified
1 point

Even with your fundamental nihilism, I believe you have a preference of oughts based on what you believe to be reasonable given the human condition. If this is correct, are there not laws that more and less closely align with your preferred oughts?

PS. I am replying to the long thread. But over time on my phone. Sorry for the delay

Side: Good laws
krugenford(21) Disputed
2 points

Even with your fundamental nihilism, I believe you have a preference of oughts based on what you believe to be reasonable given the human condition.

But with your fundamental narcissism I believe I would be correct in assuming that you find it extremely difficult to put honesty before ego, yes?

Side: Good laws
krugenford(21) Disputed
1 point

Thank you friend.

I will take the downvote as an indication of the affirmative.

Side: Good laws
Jace(4706) Clarified
1 point

Although I have personal preferences, none of them are normative (i.e. no 'ought' about them).

Glad to elaborate on my personal preferences, but I'm not sure they're of interest if there isn't a normative element to them. Let me know.

I could also elaborate on what I think normative preferences towards the laws are for others (i.e. setting the normative claim aside and looking behind it), but that's a bit far afield I think...

P.S. No worries. Appreciate the update!

Side: Good laws
1 point

Any law that is TRULY backed by the majority of those it affects has to be good. That's not to say after a while it shouldn't be modified … again by that majority … when its flaws become evident. MOST laws will have flaws and should be perfected over time … to the benefit of the majority.

The Second is an excellent example of a good law. The majority want it, the majority think it is flawed, the majority would like to modify it, the MINORITY will not allow it. THAT makes it a BAD law. (for now).

Side: Bad laws
Amarel(4987) Disputed
1 point

Majority at what level?. What do you make of laws that are locally popular, but nationally disliked? Such as local ordinances based on the predominant local religion?

The US has a fairly ugly history of laws that were TRULY backed by the majority because they were oppressive to some disliked minority.

Side: Good laws
jinsung10(12) Disputed
1 point

The US has a fairly ugly history of laws that were TRULY backed by the majority because they were oppressive to some disliked minority.

Most of Hitler's laws oppressing Jews were backed by the majority too. Do you feel the same way about those laws? Or nah?

Side: Bad laws
AlofRI(2821) Clarified
1 point

I don't think I have to explain to you the meaning of "majority". Local laws are local laws unless they interfere with Federal Law. The Constitution says all that's necessary about laws based on religion, either local OR federal. Those laws that were ugly and oppressive are those that should be modified and, if necessary by the SCOTUS. The Constitution and Bill of Rights MUST be considered for "oppressive" laws. For example, the Muslim minority may want Sharia Law. There may be parts of it that are acceptable and may be truly backed by that minority religion. Tough shit if they go against the Constitution. The same goes for some Biblical Law that another minority may want. Until the religious right takes over the country and changes the Constitution, tough shit again. We CAN NOT let that happen!

Side: Good laws
1 point

Ho-hum. Must I continue to repeat myself? We (the majority), make laws. Some good, some bad. WE LEARN! Eventually, we'll get it right …. or left …. pun intended. WE GROW, WE LEARN, WE MAKE MISTAKES, WE CORRECT THEM! THAT'S DEMOCRACY! That wouldn't happen in an autocracy! It wouldn't happen in communism, in fascism, probably not in strict socialism (is there any such thing??). But in democracy or social-democracy it SHOULD happen! You choose what YOU want. I've chosen! I won't likely be around to see the result, but, I hope the MAJORITY wins! I don't think you are part of the majority, unless they've gone off the deep end. You CREATE problems where they shouldn't exist. Good luck. Hmmm, in the interest of humanity, I take that BACK!

Side: Bad laws
outlaw60(15500) Disputed Banned
1 point

Crazy AL who is the majority that you speak of ?????????????

Side: Good laws
outlaw60(15500) Disputed Banned
1 point

Are you talking about the SOCIALISM you so love ????????????

Side: Good laws
outlaw60(15500) Disputed Banned
1 point

Crazy AL you live in a Constitutional Republic ! Has CNN mislead you ??????????

Side: Good laws
outlaw60(15500) Disputed Banned
1 point

Ho-hum. Must I continue to repeat myself? We (the majority), make laws. Some good, some bad. WE LEARN! Eventually, we'll get it right …. or left …. pun intended. WE GROW, WE LEARN, WE MAKE MISTAKES, WE CORRECT THEM! THAT'S DEMOCRACY! That wouldn't happen in an autocracy! It wouldn't happen in communism, in fascism, probably not in strict socialism (is there any such thing??). But in democracy or social-democracy it SHOULD happen! You choose what YOU want. I've chosen! I won't likely be around to see the result, but, I hope the MAJORITY wins! I don't think you are part of the majority, unless they've gone off the deep end. You CREATE problems where they shouldn't exist. Good luck. Hmmm, in the interest of humanity, I take that BACK!

Again AL you live in a Constitutional Republic not a democracy !!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Good laws
Amarel(4987) Disputed
1 point

We (the majority), make laws. Some good, some bad.

"Any law that is TRULY backed by the majority of those it affects has to be good."

I'm glad you're walking this back a little.

You choose what YOU want. I've chosen!

As it concerns most things in a culture interested in individual rights (our culture), this works just fine. But the majority is often not interested in individual rights. This is my issue with the notion that "numbers make right". It's merely a variation of "might makes right". In the past it has often been just as destructive and ugly.

The only reason majority rule seems like a good idea is because we live in a country where everyone, including the majority, are constrained in what they are allowed to do to each other. That constraint makes you feel like the majority is more noble than a lynch mob. But fundamentally, they aren't.

The democratic process is necessary for certain government function. But popular demand isn't what makes a law good.

Side: Good laws
AlofRI(2821) Clarified
1 point

Just to clarify, I didn't "walk anything back". YOU didn't interpret what I was saying earlier. I disagree with the rest (or most of) your nit-picking also. AlofRI … out.

Side: Good laws