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What makes a foot race fair; the rules or the outcome?

Rules of the race

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Outcome of the race

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Rules of the race are set for everyone before the event. The outcome only happens after the race is completed. It stands to reason that the most efficient way to make it fair is to set the rules for all to abide by before the event. I'd be interested in other ideas to the contrary.

Side: Rules of the race
VictorCrowl(39) Disputed
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It stands to reason that the most efficient way to make it fair is to set the rules for all to abide by before the event.

Like a rule that says don't jump the border, and get in line?

Side: Outcome of the race
Mint_tea(3911) Disputed
1 point

Yup !

Side: Rules of the race
Amarel(4819) Clarified
1 point

If it’s a marathon wherein someone is known to have more natural ability than someone else, then those with less inherited ability should be placed closer to the finish line. Otherwise the guy who inherited better genes for the race has an unfair advantage.

Side: Rules of the race
Mint_tea(3911) Clarified
1 point

He has an unfair advantage through no fault of his own. It's a foot race. If those are the rules they wish to place then fine, that's up to them, but perhaps the one with the gene's works hard to be as fast as he is, why put him at a disadvantage? (I'm just using "him" as an example)

Side: Rules of the race
Amarel(4819) Clarified
1 point

Unequal outcomes are indicative of a rigged game, especially if a given class of people consistently tend to win over others. Even if there is no proof of unfair rules, unequal outcomes indicate systemic bias, even if not overt enough to point it out specifically.

Side: Rules of the race
Blood(218) Disputed
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Unequal outcomes are indicative of a rigged game, especially if a given class of people consistently tend to win over others.

You are stupid on so many levels. Unequal opportunity is indicative of a rigged game, since you like to conflate socialism with a system of "equality of outcome" I'm not surprised at your confusion. Capitalism always leads to unequal opportunities and always leads to a rigged system. Number one your ability to produce wealth is determined by how much of it you already have (takes money to make money) and number two nepotism and old money privileges are rampant due to inheritance.

After the American revolution among others many of the high-borns stayed in power (many of the bloodlines are even to this day) because they kept their wealth and aristocratic status. This is why capitalism is little more than a tamed version of feudalism.

Side: Outcome of the race
Mint_tea(3911) Clarified
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Not always. It is mostly indicative of hard word vs. just getting by. I'm referring to sport though, not class divide. There is a high potential for difference between the two.

Side: Rules of the race
1 point

The greedy self interest of the runners is irrational, the unequal nature of the outcomes are harmful to society, and the rules are have always been a mere social construct directed by similarly irrational self interested player.

What is required is a brief period where the rules dictate that no one can pass the finish line greedily ahead of anyone else. This brief tyranny will foster a revolution of the mind so that all runners will eventually act on their own in the most rational manner. When that happens, there will be no rules. Everyone will choose independently to cross the finish line at the precise moment that everyone else does.

Most people are not smart enough to conceive of runners at a race running at an identical pace and crossing at the same time for no reason at all.

Side: Outcome of the race
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Any other foot race that attempted this, but that has been stuck at the point of forced finish line crossing, causing everyone to run exceedingly inefficiently slow, is not at all an example of what I am talking about. If you think that’s what I’m talking about, you’re literally Hitler. I’m talking about the end result, where everyone runs precisely equal to everyone else, without regard for rules, but simply because I think it’s the most rational thing. Plus it would make this whole race thing way easier for me personally.

Side: Outcome of the race