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Islam Atheism
Debate Score:166
Arguments:130
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What makes more sense? Islam or Atheism

Which has has more evidence, makes more sense, and is more rational. Please if your arguing, argue over islam the religion, NOT the followers. Dont bring up terrorism or anything else stupid.

Islam

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Atheism

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1 point

Islam. I would rather be a Muslim than an atheist. .

Side: Islam
1 point

atheism means simply madness just and just madness

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Side: Islam
1 point

Atheism makes no sense at all. In fact how can one person believe that here is no God at all and then still believe that the earth was created. And if it was created then by who??

Side: Islam
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

It wasn't created. It formed naturally. It is silly to claim it was created without any proof of a creator.

Side: Atheism
Peace214(101) Disputed
1 point

You mean to say that the earth wasn't created rather it just formed naturally. then answer me these questions:

1) Do you have full confidence that science is 100% correct and if it is is every fact correct with proof?

2)Okay lets think that the the Earth and nature formed naturally. So it is that the Earth formed due to a Big Bang theory and if that was true then what was the biggest guarantee

that the dislodged stones should clump together and support life. Let's think further how did the Big Bang come into being? How or why did it have to form into earth and not something else unless there was God behind it?

3)You say "It formed naturally" if you believe in the Big Bang so can you say me where the stones that supposedly formed earth come from ?

So you see its not a silly claim after all and by this I mean to say that atheism doesn't even make sense.

Side: Islam
1 point

Have you truly never heard any scientific theory regarding the Earth's creation?

Side: Atheism
Peace214(101) Disputed
1 point

Yes I have heard many and I believe that science needs to advance further to prove those facts and i think many scientists will agree with me. And until then i have my full confidence on Islam and not on science.

Side: Islam
-1 points

Islam makes way more sense than Atheism. It has more evidence towards it. Atheism is mostly irrational. There are 3 things atheists can NEVER prove without using theories or speculation. How did the universe come to exist, how did life form on earth spontaneously, and how did this life evolve into Humans that have such advanced ingenuity and morale. Islam supports big bang but says God was a catalyst. Islam supports evolution up to the fact that humans came from primates because humans are OBVIOUSLY different. Islam also is scientifically 100% accurate. Mecca is the golden ratio of the world. Many things in the quran are scientifically accurate and there thigns people at the time had no clue of. Such as the shape of the world, the shape of embryos, big bang, estuaries, reflected moonlight, water cycle, ripples. NO ONE at the time of its revalation had these ideas and the quran had them through a single prophet. There is no way Muhammed came up with this it has to be a revelation from god. Also the Quran itself is a proof. How can a book have not a single letter changed, not a single contradiction within itself or with science. Its truly a miracle. The idea of atheism is flawed and has no backing. Even if atheism is more probable than most religions Islam is more probable. Even if Islam is more probable by 1% I dont see why you should just pick Islam because it has more benefits, refer to pascals wager.

Side: Islam
3 points

There are 3 things atheists can NEVER prove without using theories or speculation.

How can you prove Islam without theories or speculation? Islam is just speculation. At least theories have evidence.

Mecca is the golden ratio of the world.

Wtf does this mean?

Also the Quran itself is a proof. How can a book have not a single letter changed, not a single contradiction within itself or with science. Its truly a miracle

The Quran is not proof of anything, other than its own existence. Nor is it a miracle.

The idea of atheism is flawed and has no backing

No, you are ignorant on this issue. There is no flaw in a lack of belief in gods, for no gods have met their burden of proof.

Even if atheism is more probable than most religions Islam is more probable.

Atheism makes no claims, it is merely an absence of belief in god. Islam is the opposite, it has claims and it asserts god's existence, despite having no evidence for its claims.

Even if Islam is more probable by 1% I dont see why you should just pick Islam because it has more benefits, refer to pascals wager.

Pascal's wager is invalid. Any omniscient god would know that you were just playing the odds by believing in god, just to escape hell. A truly benevolent god would judge people based on their actions, not on blind belief in a deity. Pascal's wager has already been debunked, enough with this nonsense.

Side: Atheism
fogfail(7) Disputed
3 points

How can you prove Islam without theories or speculation? Islam is just speculation. At least theories have evidence.

Islam is an idea. And that idea has nothing contradicting against it. Christianities trinity goes against the idea of time and space. Hinduisms gods just cannot against. Islam says that god exists OUTSIDE of time and space. And time and space were obviously created so something had to create it. Surely it isnt proven with facts but it has nothing going against it and it is probable. On the other hand Atheism has those 3 things that cant be answered therefore it shouldnt be followed. You shouldnt have faith in something that has things going against it. Which is why you shouldnt be a christian, hindu or atheist. I doubt you can find one major thing that goes against the idea of Islam.

Wtf does this mean?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD2323zkQUM

No, you are ignorant on this issue. There is no flaw in a lack of belief in gods, for no gods have met their burden of proof.

Well im talking about the ideas that stay within atheism such as humanary evolution and that life came from chemicals.

Atheism makes no claims, it is merely an absence of belief in god. Islam is the opposite, it has claims and it asserts god's existence, despite having no evidence for its claims.

Yes but Islam has nothing against it. And to be an atheist you have things that cause you to be one. Including the idea of evolution again.

Pascal's wager is invalid. Any omniscient god would know that you were just playing the odds by believing in god, just to escape hell. A truly benevolent god would judge people based on their actions, not on blind belief in a deity. Pascal's wager has already been debunked, enough with this nonsense

Im sorry your right. Its not good to become something just for escape.

Side: Islam
2 points

That makes no sense at all. How is no gods more logical. Is it more logical that something came from nothing and the universe just popped out of no where and time and space were created. Is it more logical that space is randomly perfect for life and life spontaneously just came out of no where. Without anything causing. Is it more logical that primates just got a big brain and ingenuity and moral values through evolutions and became humans? Other animals cant even make a piece of paper. And we have created so much. I think its more logical for something to cause this. And if there is a substantial amount of proof pointing towards the idea, not proving, but pointing towards i would pick the more logical.

Side: Atheism
Elvira(3447) Disputed
3 points

Big crunch theory. Look it up. Makes sense.

Shape of embryos- miscarriages, abortions, dissections.

I can write an unflawed religion. Anyone can.

Side: Atheism
Swathy(3) Clarified
2 points

LOLS! It had been said before the coming of Islam. In Vedas, it is clear that Islam copied from Vedas.

Side: Islam
AREKKUSU(275) Disputed
1 point

There are 3 things atheists can NEVER prove without using theories or speculation. How did the universe come to exist, how did life form on earth spontaneously, and how did this life evolve into Humans that have such advanced ingenuity and morale. Other religions technically don't 'prove' anything without hypothesizes and speculation too. This isn't a argument.

The idea of atheism is flawed and has no backing. How is it flawed? And how do you see it as less probable?

Side: Atheism
fogfail(7) Disputed
1 point

Islam is an idea. And that idea has nothing contradicting against it. Christianities trinity goes against the idea of time and space. Hinduisms gods just cannot against. Islam says that god exists OUTSIDE of time and space. And time and space were obviously created so something had to create it. Surely it isnt proven with facts but it has nothing going against it and it is probable. On the other hand Atheism has those 3 things that cant be answered therefore it shouldnt be followed. You shouldnt have faith in something that has things going against it. Which is why you shouldnt be a christian, hindu or atheist. I doubt you can find one major thing that goes against the idea of Islam.

And its flawed because much is unexplained.

Side: Islam
OODaddy(127) Disputed
0 points

Interesting topic. I've long respected Islam's acceptance of science. I've read of Alhazen a pioneer of the scientific method, the term "All praise belongs to God, Lord of the Worlds." is amazing in it's day. This is a tough one for me because I have little practical knowledge of the Quran. I apologize in advance for my ignorance but I'd really like to learn more on this topic. So let's start at the beginning. My understanding is that the Quran in essence agrees with the Bible that God created the earth in six dys. I disagree. Want to start the debate here ? I'll represent the "scientific view" if you would be so gracious as to present the Islamic view.

BTW I'm an agnostic not an atheist.

Side: Atheism
AREKKUSU(275) Clarified
2 points

Considering that your post doesn't directly argue the topic at hand, wouldn't it be better to have it down as a 'clarify'. Or maybe you could just message him. If you're not talking or making arguments on the topic given, you really shouldn't 'support', nor 'dispute' it. It doesn't really matter to me all that much, I just wanted to inform you of this...

Side: Islam
fogfail(7) Clarified
2 points

Actually yes and no. The 6 days refer to a metaphorical period of time. Days refers to stages. The word has double meanings in arabic. Like the word day and period were the same. OBVIOUSLY he didnt do it in 6 days but it was done over 6 period or stages.

Side: Islam
6 points

Atheism uses more logic then any religion, and equal proof. That's why I believe atheism to 'make more sense'.

Side: Atheism
nummi(1435) Clarified
1 point

Um... that's not atheism you're talking about, it's science. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god or any deities. But either way, there being no gods is far more logical than there being one or some.

Side: Islam
AREKKUSU(275) Disputed
3 points

Yes it is atheism that I'm talking about, I don't see how you think that what I'm talking about is 'science'.

Side: Atheism
fogfail(7) Disputed
1 point

That makes no sense at all. How is no gods more logical. Is it more logical that something came from nothing and the universe just popped out of no where and time and space were created. Is it more logical that space is randomly perfect for life and life spontaneously just came out of no where. Without anything causing. Is it more logical that primates just got a big brain and ingenuity and moral values through evolutions and became humans? Other animals cant even make a piece of paper. And we have created so much. I think its more logical for something to cause this. And if there is a substantial amount of proof pointing towards the idea, not proving, but pointing towards i would pick the more logical.

Side: Islam
kountakine(88) Clarified
1 point

NO let me rectify, atheist is a lazy soul who do not want to understand the nature of the world. Some atheist try to back with science They believe in evolution, ex. I use to be a monkey,perhaps a pork my dna is so similar to their.. but note that atheist is the rejection of belief in any existence of deities

Side: Islam
1 point

Hmm... now you made a totally different point of view. If atheism isn't science, atheism could be thinking that the universe was once made or barbie dolls that became unicorns which look like humans. That doesn't involve the concept of a god, does it? In that case a god would make more sense.

Side: Atheism
3 points

noun. what makes sense is science and that is what i believe in

Side: Atheism
fogfail(7) Disputed
1 point

Science makes too many assertions and has too many logical fallacies. Islam has NO logical fallacies and some ideas can be thought to be speculations but they have nothing going against them. Therefor islam makes more sense.

Side: Islam
meer(47) Clarified
1 point

science has proves and islam got no prove at all i mean i can't see allah, so why should i believe in it? their is no prove at all and that is why it makes no sense but science you can see and learn them in your daily life .

Side: Islam
2 points

How is this even up for debate? Islam is RETARDED. Excuse my french but thats it. It has ZERO fact to back any of it up. None of it makes any sense scientifically, rationally, logically, ect. Atheism, the simple lack of belief in a god is FAR more rational because it doesnt make ANY assertions that cannot possibly be known. It is the DEFAULT position to the god question. It is far more reasonable to believe that there is no god outside of time and space pulling the strings and poofing things to existence, and that in fact, things just happened because they happened. Now many atheists take it further to where they rely on science to explain these things which is even MORE rational, seeing as science uses facts and a dependable system to observe and draw conclusions about the world around us in REALITY instead of guessing and asserting unsupported absurdities.

This question should not even be up for debate if were all intellegent people....obviously this is not the case.

Side: Atheism
fogfail(7) Disputed
1 point

This is stupidity. Lack of believe has no assertions? Surely it doesnt. But the idea of atheism as a whole is what im talking about. The belief that life was formed from chemicals, not an assertion ? Really? The universe came from no where? What the heck does that even mean. Its more logical something outside of time and space creating it makes WAY more sense than space and time just popping out of nowhere. Because the universe has a begining. If something has a begining its begining had to have been caused, please explain what caused the universe to exist.

Side: Islam
AveSatanas(4426) Disputed
1 point

Atheism- a lack of belief in a god or diety. Atheism does not equal science. You are saying it does. That atheism is what is asserting life began from chemicals. Nope. That is science who'd DOES make assertions. Or better, CONCLUSIONS, based on observation of conducted experiments.

Again, with the whole beginning of the universe you're on about. That isn't atheism that is making that assertion, it is science. And "the universe came from nothing" is a horribly ignorant summerization of the big bang theory (which im assuming you were referring to). Watch 3 part introduction on the big bang theory on YouTube to learn more about it please.

So yeah, you're getting atheism and science confused. Sure many atheists rely on science when they DO make a claim but that claim then branches from science and not from their lack of religion.

Side: Atheism
Inductive(18) Disputed
1 point

Athiesm is not believing in a creator. It doesnt mean you believe in science. So, you can believe the universe was here all along for no reason then magical unicorns appeared everywhere and gave birth to humans. Now that would make less sense than Islam.

Side: Islam
1 point

So, you can believe the universe was here all along for no reason then magical unicorns appeared everywhere and gave birth to humans.

Strictly speaking, that would be creationism, and theism as well; not all deities need be omnipotent or omniscient or even close to it; 'magical unicorns' are often described as having capabilities on part with major deities in some religions, and minor deities in others, and as soon as you're attributing the existence of mankind to them, you're making a god out of them- if not in so many words.

Side: Atheism
AveSatanas(4426) Disputed
1 point

Wrong. It would be, at the very least, equally as absurd as islam.

Side: Atheism

I'm not actually of the opinion atheism is particularly rational. It's impossible to prove or disprove the statement "god exists," so assuming the affirmative or negative of this statement is an inherently irrational thing to do. So it seems the best position you could possibly hold as rational is agnosticism.

However, in this debate I have been asked to compare the rational of Islam to that of atheism, and in that particular instance I think atheism makes far more sense than Islam does. Both positions assume something they can't prove (god does/doesn't exist), but atheism stops there. Islam keeps going and builds up loads of theological, mythological, and oftentimes highly immoral bullshit on top of that initial assumption. So to be a Muslim you don't just have to take one thing on faith (like you do with atheism), you have to take many things on faith, which I think makes atheism the more rational of the two.

Side: Atheism
fogfail(7) Disputed
2 points

Please give me examples of "theological, mythological, and oftentimes highly immoral bullshit" and atheism is wayyy more irrational. Its so unexplained. Islam makes more sense. And the existence of God makes more sense, than stuff just happening on its own.

Side: Islam
1 point

There isn't really any explaining for "atheism" to do. It's a lack of belief in gods, which in my case is because of lack of evidence for God's existence.

How does the existence of God make more sense, than things popping into existence by themselves?

I mean, God already pops things into existence by thought alone. Why not save a step and say the universe popped into existence?

And how do you explain god's existence in the first place? He just existed for eternity, forever? What evidence do you have for any of these assertions?

Side: Atheism

It depends on your definition of sense. To me, and all other atheists, deciding that the nature of the universe and of living things is better to observe than to read about in ridiculously vague, improbable and often impossible accounts held within books that also instruct us on how to live our lives.

In a simple toss-up between being free to observe and think, or being given definite and specific limitations and rules, how many people would choose the later? Assuming that they are given the choice, rather than being told as children that "This is so, never ever dare question it."

Side: Atheism
1 point

Islam is sexist. 'nuff said.

Side: Atheism
GuitarGuy(6095) Clarified
1 point

So is every other religion. Islam just happens to be one that hasn't improved their view towards women.

Side: Islam
1 point

That's my point-ish.

Side: Atheism
1 point

Atheism is not a political ideology while Islam is.

A better title would be what makes more sense Islam or Nazism, or Communism.

Side: Atheism

I will say Atheism since atheists do not approve of Sharia Law that calls for the execution of homosexuals.

Side: Atheism