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What positions can be held by a right winger without making them alt-right?

These normal right wing views.

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None. All right is alt-right.

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What positions can be held by a right winger without making them alt-right?

Are you suggesting that right and alt-right are the same thing? If so, you are wrong.

If your question is genuine (which would be a first) then campaign finance donations would be a good place to begin. Moderate right wingers believe that corporate money should be kept out of politics for obvious reasons. The new fascist right has spent the last three years attacking the moderate right for these beliefs, and has financed dozens of organisations in the last few years with the purpose of overturning state finance laws which prevent (or at least limit) corporations from directly financing individual political campaigns.

In sum, the alt-right is spearheaded by people who have been corrupted by the money of corporate billionaires like the Koch brothers, and who want to create a situation where corporations directly elect our political leaders. A simply astonishing irony given Trump's pledge to "drain the swamp" of corruption.

Side: These normal right wing views.
Amarel(4987) Clarified
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From this post I gather that you hold restrictions on campaign contributions from corporations to be a normal right wing position while the position allowing corporate contributions is extreme. Is that correct? If so, is the extreme view alt-right?

Side: These normal right wing views.
Nom_Chomsky(846) Clarified
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From this post I gather that you hold restrictions on campaign contributions from corporations to be a normal right wing position

It was a ubiquitous position shared by Republicans and Democrats alike until the alt-right emerged. Why don't you do some research about it? Start with the state of Montana.

Side: These normal right wing views.
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Very few people actually understand the term "alt-right". There are a lot of reasons for this, one of which being the vagueness of the term's meaning "alternative right". This sounds like a name for any brand of conservatism that isn't the mainstream.

Two very different factions took it to mean completely different things. The white nationalists (who originally coined the term in 2010) took it to mean their alternative to the mainstream right wing. Other non-mainstream conservatives, on the other hand, took it to mean anything on the right that wasn't regular party Republicanism.

Now, the non-mainstream conservatives who weren't white supremacists quickly abandoned the label when they found what it originally meant. Nobody wanted to be associated with Richard Spencer's white nationalists. As a result, Spencer's definition of alt-right was put forth as the correct usage, so that alternative conservatives would not be grouped with Spencer's ilk. At the same time, these non-mainstream conservatives argued strongly that they were not to be labeled "alt-right" as it now had a very discrete meaning: white nationalism.

However, the regular non-mainstream conservatives are the ones who popularized the term, despite the white nationalist Richard Spencer coining it. As such, it has become associated with people who aren't extremists. This confusion is then magnified due to the corporate media using both definitions simultaneously whenever it suits them. Regular alternative right-wing figures are called alt-right, while simultaneously alt-right is called white nationalist. This means that they can call any right-wing alternative figures white nationalists by proxy.

Side: These normal right wing views.
Amarel(4987) Clarified
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That clarifies some distinctions among non-mainstream right. The problem is that any and all on the right seem to be immediately called alt right. So which right wing positions are mainstream enough that you aren’t automatically called a Nazi for having them?

Side: These normal right wing views.
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The problem is that any and all on the right seem to be immediately called alt right.

Yeah, it's in part due to the confusing history of the term and in part due to a desire to tarnish regular conservatives as extremists.

So which right wing positions are mainstream enough that you aren’t automatically called a Nazi for having them?

Any position that isn't related to white nationalism. Of course, calling political opponents "fascists" and "Nazis" is a useful tactic to cause people to dismiss opposing ideas without actually engaging with them.

Side: These normal right wing views.

Reduced government spending - though they seldom comport with this belief in actuality.

Side: These normal right wing views.
Amarel(4987) Clarified
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If it comes in the form of welfare reform, then it arguably disproportionately affects minorities, making it racist.

Side: These normal right wing views.
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What positions can be held by a right winger without making them alt-right?

Hello A:

Right wingers LOVE the Constitution, right?? It would seem, therefore, that that they'd LOVE people who take advantage of the rights GRANTED them under the Constitution..

But, they don't.. I have NO idea why.

Fact is, the Constitution is a VERY liberal document, and right wingers just don't like the liberal parts.. Of course, I'm talking about ones right to protest. Before right wingers will SUPPORT that right, they need to support the underlying argument.. But, that AIN'T how it works.. Americans have a right to protest, PERIOD..

Look.. This is real simple.. Right wingers need to understand exactly WHAT the Constitution says, and then CELEBRATE it..

excon

Side: None. All right is alt-right.
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Right wingers LOVE the Constitution, right?? It would seem, therefore, that that they'd LOVE people who take advantage of the rights GRANTED them under the Constitution..

Cool. Which firearm should I purchase next?

Side: These normal right wing views.
excon(13054) Disputed
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Cool. Which firearm should I purchase next?

Hello bront:

You'd like a Makarov. They're small, cheap and manufactured in Russia.

excon

Side: None. All right is alt-right.
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Of course, I'm talking about ones right to protest.

I love you guys protesting. An unhinged mob of maniacs in pink pussy hats, setting cars and buildings on fire, makes moderates cringe.

Side: These normal right wing views.
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Look.. This is real simple.. Right wingers need to understand exactly WHAT the Constitution says, and then CELEBRATE it

Like a Presidents power to shut down immigration.

Side: These normal right wing views.
Amarel(4987) Clarified
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Really though con, which right wing positions are not necessarily alt-right? Can you be for free speech on college campus without being a hate speaker? Can you be for lower taxes and smaller government without being for racism? Is there any reason that pro-second Amendment means pro-killing minorities? Or are those different subjects?

There are a ton of right wing positions that have nothing to do with race and nothing to do with ethno-states and nothing to do with alt-right anything, but somehow they all get lumped in as Nazis. Just ask Nom. Hell, Al called me racist once as a knee jerk reaction to my right views (he apologized after I called it to his attention).

Is all right alt-right? If not, let’s stop pretending.

Right wingers LOVE the Constitution, right?? It would seem, therefore, that that they'd LOVE people who take advantage of the rights GRANTED them under the Constitution..

A couple of things here. First, Rights are protected by the Constitution.

Second, love of the Constitution does not equal a love of every aspect. For example, the amendment to tax income is not universally loved on the right, even among lovers of the Constitution. Those who sought to abolish the alcohol prohibition amendment were not haters of the Constitution.

Third, even the love of a Right protected by the Constitution does not equal a love of every form of exercise of said right. Loving the Right to freedom of speech does not equal loving everything that anyone says just because they can. “It’s your Right” does NOT mean “it’s ok with me”.

Americans have a right to protest, PERIOD..

Sure. But they don’t have the Right to impede my public Right of way on roads shared in common. They don’t have the Right to not be fired by their employer for protesting. Which right winger suggesting arresting kneelers? Not one. Because it’s a Right. So fire the bums if you want Mr.Emoloyer, that’s your Right. And get the fuck out of the road, because going to work unmolested by you is my Right. Thanks Constitution.

Right wingers need to understand exactly WHAT the Constitution says, and then CELEBRATE it..

No one would change the Constitution if they loved each part enough to celebrate it. So you can celebrate the ability to change the lousy parts, like prohibition.

Side: These normal right wing views.
Nom_Chomsky(846) Clarified
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Can you be for lower taxes and smaller government without being for racism?

Don't even try it, dickhead. EVERYBODY is for lower taxes and smaller government. You simply cut out this phrase and use it anytime you are looking to justify anything, and most of the time what you are trying to justify leads us to the precise opposite of lower taxes and smaller government. For example, permitting the Trump administration to attack and ridicule the press on a daily basis through social media feeds is not "smaller government".

Side: These normal right wing views.
excon(13054) Clarified
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Really though con, which right wing positions are not necessarily alt-right? Can you be for free speech on college campus without being a hate speaker?

Hello again, A:

First, I don't use the term alt-right.. I didn't invent it and don't know what it is. I use the term right winger.

Second, I'm an original member of the Free Speech Movement. I'm aghast at how it morphed..

Third.. If I was simply a staunch conservative like you are, I'd be aghast that the KKK, neo Nazis and white supremacists EMBRACED my party.

excon

Side: These normal right wing views.
excon(13054) Clarified
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Sure. But they don’t have the Right to impede my public Right of way on roads shared in common.

Hello again, A:

No??? Seems to me that when we dumped a bunch of tea into the bay, we were IMPEDING on someones rights... You LIKED that kind of civil disobedience..

It's like I said.. If a right winger BELIEVES in the underlying motive, civil disobedience is a most patriotic endeavor. But, if you DON'T like the motive, the demonstrators have NO right to get in your way...

That called CHERRY PICKING...

excon

Side: These normal right wing views.