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What's your opinion on women who never want to have children?
I was discussing this the other day with one of my co-workers. That I may not ever want children, and she said she was sure she never did. We got to talking about the things people say to us when we tell them that.
There's the normal comments such as;
"Why? You'd make a great mom!"
"Oh, you'll change your mind when you're older"
"You'll end up with the most kids, just you wait."
Then there's the downright rude comments;
"You're not fulfilling your debt to society by not having children"
"Women are designed to be nutures, therefore you're unnatural"
You're going to die alone"
"You're selfish, you don't want children because you'd rather be able to go out and get drunk every night rather than be a responsible parent"
The comments I've heard, and the ones she told me she's heard, are ABSOLUTELY ridiculous.
Some women aren't fit to be mothers. If you don't want kids, then you shouldn't have them. Kind of like some teachers... if they don't like kids, then they shouldn't be teachers.
I don't see the problem with it? The world is getting over populated as it is so it's probably a good thing that not all women want kids and it doesn't make life any less fulfilling as long as you don't think it does... besides, I'll always be your baby. ;)
Those relationships do not pan out very well my friend. For some reason, (at least in my country) no woman takes too kindly to men staying home all day, no matter if they are housecleaners either.
Logically I know its fine not to have children and people have lots of different reasons for not doing so... However when I meet a couple in their 40s that still doesn't have children the first thing that I wonder is which one of them is infertile or if they have some sort of genetic condition that they don't want to pass on...
To me to be a parent just seems like such a natural thing. If I don't achieve that in my life I will consider myself a failure.
To me to be a parent just seems like such a natural thing. If I don't achieve that in my life I will consider myself a failure.
And that's probably why I get so many negative comments actually. People have it in their minds that others HAVE to reproduce. We don't, at least not anymore.
1. While you may want or not want children, the bottom line is that you really only need worry about those expensive bills which he may or may not have reimbursed.
Problem is that people DON'T think about the financial side of children. They feel they're supposed to have children, especially before a certain age, or they're doing something wrong.
I was trying to state that if you have made the choice, you are ok because it is your choice...but, other may judge you and say things like oh, she is "choosing" because she...choose from the list (never found the right partner, got too old, could never get pregnant)... and so on. So the financial side is more of a selfish side of the equation...and yes, you are absolutely correct about that!
Ah, yes. Those assumptions would be absolutely be made. Though if someone bothered to ask they would know that it's not the case. And anyone who doesn't bother to ask, but likes to assume isn't worth the time :)
Though actually the most common reaction I personally get is "Why not!? You'd make a great mom!" Like the ability to be a good mother is all it takes to actually raise a child.
I am sure you would make a great mom! But please remember, most people wouldn't ask you out of respect for you and your "situation" because of not knowing if it was choice or putting on a strong front because of lack of choice!
I feel the same way. I think I will want a child when it's time to carry over my "legacy".
I want to accomplish many things in my life so that I may be an inspiration for my child.
I think a parent that has a lot of experience would be best at raising a child...rather than someone fresh out of college or high school. I want to be able to help my child fulfill their dreams.
Just like having kids there's advantages for also not having kids. For example by not having children your doing the world a favor by decreasing overpopulation (maybe not by much but still) and that's just 1 reason there are other reasons.
This is so true. Why my nephew is currently battling his 2 year old child over his wife's boobies. The child insists on breastfeeding and so he has to time share. It's not dignified for a grown man to have to tell his 2 year old, "They're my boobies!" and having the child retort, "No! Mine!" I tried to help the situation by suggesting he take the right one and the child the left one but they just can't come to a compromise. In the mean time, the child just keeps on sucking more and more every day. ;)
I don't think there's anything wrong with it, we aren't required to have children so I don't see the problem, I don't want children, people always say I'll change my mind but I don't think I will, Im stubborn like that my mum says xD
Children are a huge responsibility. Those who are not 'fulfilling their debt to society' are people who have children without realising what a responsibility it is.
I think it is your right to choose. I never want to be a mother. The tubes are coming out. I told my friend that I would jump off a bridge before being a mother. LOL.
You are so funny! Prod's decent enough, but we would not last very long, so why would we have kids? I am not a Satanist, so it would not work. Besides, I AM the demented child. ;)
Still going with the old "I'm not a Satanist" line eh? ;) Despite the sacrificing puppies, naming yourself Sitara (meaning Lucifer) and being an extremely close friend of an out Satanist (Prodigee).
As long as you don't touch a man's testicles while he's in the middle of a fight... or disobey your parents. My nuggets are still intact though, so I might still make it in!
It seems like New Testament was just a way to make up for Old Testament being so ridiculous. I think some guy made up Christianity and attracted followers by saying something like "Hey, you know all of that stuff that God said you couldn't do or you'd end up in hell? Well, this is the revised version. He's much more lenient now... oh, and he only supports this new religion... if you stick with the old one, then you're going to hell".
This is my last post in regards to this conversation unless you post something convincing: Jesus has been there for me when no one else has. I can trust Jesus in a way that I can't for anyone else. Jesus knows what it is like to be looked down upon, and hated, so do I. Jesus died on the cross for our sins, and for that reason I belong to Him. He is my God. No one can take away my relationship with my Savior. If you are ever interested, lemme know or ask Srom. Otherwise, let's drop the pretenses. You have a nice evening and I mean that sincerely. :)
Jesus died on the cross for our sins, and for that reason I belong to Him. He is my God.
According to the Bible. What makes you think it's true?
If you are ever interested, lemme know or ask Srom.
I actually have an education on religion. Srom is in high school and you've only been a Christian for a few months. All I'll learn from you guys is blind devotion to something you know little about.
How do you know that? I have peace in my mind and heart that I can turn to Him. According to the Bible. What makes you think it's true? I believe Josephus and other historians have mentioned the death of Jesus. I actually have an education on religion. Srom is in high school and you've only been a Christian for a few months. All I'll learn from you guys is blind devotion to something you know little about. Great. I do too. Why don't we discuss the difference between trinitarian monotheism, binitarian monotheism, unitarian monotheism, polytheism, deism, polydeism, panentheism, and pantheism. I am rather curious to know your views on each one and how you define each term.
I have peace in my mind and heart that I can turn to Him.
So? I had a feeling that I was going to win the lottery a few weeks ago... but I didn't.
I believe Josephus and other historians have mentioned the death of Jesus.
Okay, so he died. How is that proof that he is the son of God?
Great. I do too.
I'm not talking about what you read on the internet. I'm talking about an actual college education on the subject.
Why don't we discuss the difference between trinitarian monotheism, binitarian monotheism, unitarian monotheism, polytheism, deism, polydeism, panentheism, and pantheism.
Dana, those are all terms you discovered online. If you want to discuss Christianity and Jesus, like we were before, then that is fine with me... but I'm not interested in comparing definitions with you.
I'm not talking about what you read on the internet. I'm talking about an actual college education on the subject. The source of my knowledge matters not. What matters is that I have knowledge. Are you honestly saying that you are better than me because of your college education? Pfft. You are just scared of losing a debate with me. You do not know jack about any of those terms that I posted, and I have known the definitions for a long time. I have been studying comparative religion and spirituality for 20 years but you dismiss as if I am not worthy and you know what? I wish you well. My debate offer stands should you change your mind. Go in peace.
Are you honestly saying that you are better than me because of your college education?
In this case, yes... especially considering the fact that you know very little about the world's religions.
You are just scared of losing a debate with me.
Nah. I'm more scared that you'll completely misunderstand everything that I tell you.
You do not know jack about any of those terms that I posted, and I have known the definitions for a long time.
It's called a dictionary. Anyone can figure out what those words mean. Am I going to give you the definitions of words that you already know the meaning to? No.
I have been studying comparative religion and spirituality for 20 years but you dismiss as if I am not worthy
20 years has obviously had no impact on you. You still don't understand what you preach.
Yes it does. No it does not. As long as I have wisdom, that is what matters. You do not need a college education to have wisdom and knowledge. You read mostly biased BS. I read a variety of things from a variety of viewpoints. I have read Hindu (Sanatana Dharma) books, Muslim books, Jewish books, Christian books, books with multiple view points. You will realize, as does any human, that you have your Superior. You do not posses all of the knowledge in the universe. If you did, you would be God. I have to laugh watching a Mr. Official Educated College Man acting all scared of little old me. I am flattered. ;)
You do not need a college education to have wisdom and knowledge.
True, but I have a feeling that the stuff I learned went much deeper than what you found through Google.
I read a variety of things from a variety of viewpoints. I have read Hindu (Sanatana Dharma) books, Muslim books, Jewish books, Christian books, books with multiple view points.
I know from the debates that you post, that you don't know much.
You will realize, as does any human, that you have your Superior.
Is that supposed to be you? LOL!
You do not posses all of the knowledge in the universe.
Well... duh! I just happen to posses more knowledge than you.
I have to laugh watching a Mr. Official Educated College Man acting all scared of little old me. I am flattered. ;)
It's funny that you keep saying that I'm scared. I keep responding, don't I? I think you're the one who is scared.
Too bad you don't have any. Ad homenim. True, but I have a feeling that the stuff I learned went much deeper than what you found through Google. You do not know what I know or how I came to know it because you dismissed me as inferior. Meh.
I know from the debates that you post, that you don't know much. Ad homenim and fallacy fallacy. Is that supposed to be you? LOL! No, it is God, not me. Well... duh! I just happen to posses more knowledge than you. Ad homenim.
It's funny that you keep saying that I'm scared. I keep responding, don't I? I think you're the one who is scared. Because? I'm still waiting for us to debate religion... It's on. As soon as I get back from the gym, we debate.
You do not know what I know or how I came to know it because you dismissed me as inferior. Meh.
Actually, I do know a lot of what you know because you present your knowledge, or lack of it, in your debates and arguments.
Ad homenim and fallacy fallacy.
I see that you're going back to your old ways...
Ad homenim.
This is the third time you've said that (and the third time you mispelled it). Apparently it's your Word of The Day.
Because?
You tried to end our argument multiple times, without any clear progress on your part. You've also repeated yourself many times in your previous post alone... and telling me that I'm scared when I'm arguing with you on the INTERNET, suggests that you aren't confident that you can out-debate me.
I think you mean ad hominem. Ah Hell fire, I hate typos. Actually, I do know a lot of what you know because you present your knowledge, or lack of it, in your debates and arguments. You have the right to your opinion. I see that you're going back to your old ways... What old ways? This is the third time you've said that (and the third time you misspelled it). Apparently it's your Word of The Day. Thanks for the spell check. I hate typos. Also, I am pointing out the fallacies in some of your statements. You tried to end our argument multiple times, without any clear progress on your part. You've also repeated yourself many times in your previous post alone... and telling me that I'm scared when I'm arguing with you on the INTERNET, suggests that you aren't confident that you can out-debate me. I just got back from the gym. Excuse me for having a life. Now who posts the debate, you or me?
Repeating yourself. I imagine a child plugging her ears with her fingers and saying "la la la la! I can't hear you!" whenever you respond.
Thanks for the spell check. I hate typos. Also, I am pointing out the fallacies in some of your statements.
Yet you offer no explanations as to why they are false.
I just got back from the gym. Excuse me for having a life. Now who posts the debate, you or me?
Our argument has been going on longer than just a day. Do you go to the gym 24/7? Obviously not. The good thing about arguing on the internet, is that you have time to respond.
Repeating yourself. I imagine a child plugging her ears with her fingers and saying "la la la la! I can't hear you!" whenever you respond. I repeat myself to make sure people get my point. Yet you offer no explanations as to why they are false. Sorry, I am not myself today. Will do at the bottom of my post. Our argument has been going on longer than just a day. Do you go to the gym 24/7? Obviously not. The good thing about arguing on the internet, is that you have time to respond. True. Go ahead and make the debate. This shall be about religion, yes? The things I believe to contain fallacies: You'll probably be one before too long, knowing how you are. Strawman and ad hominem combined. You'll probably agree with it in a few weeks. Strawman and ad hominem combined. You don't know Jesus. You know of him. Who I know in my personal life is not for you to say. You don't! Where'd you meet him... at church? Do you even go to church? Wait... are you talking about the Jesus that cuts your lawn? I do go to church almost every Saturday. How do you know that? I truly aplaud your question. You remind me of Doubting Thomas whom I respect greatly. My answer: Jesus has answered my prayers, I have had dreams come true (literally), I have been blessed. Lemme know if you are curious about specifics. According to the Bible. What makes you think it's true? Josephus made a reference to the crucifixion, I believe. I would have to look it up. I actually have an education on religion. You made an ad hominem by implying that I do not know anything about this subject. You are not the only one with knowledge. Srom is in high school and you've only been a Christian for a few months. I have known Jesus for a while, I just did not know what label to choose. All I'll learn from you guys is blind devotion to something you know little about. Ad hominem. Care to back that up with facts?
That's pathetic. You repeat yourself yet again, rather than provide an explanation.
Strawman and ad hominem combined.
Another repeat.
Who I know in my personal life is not for you to say.
We're talking about Jesus Christ here! It's not like you go shopping with him on the weekends. People wouldn't know of him if the Bible didn't exist. You don't know him, you know of him.
I do go to church almost every Saturday.
Uhhh... do you mean Sunday?
My answer: Jesus has answered my prayers, I have had dreams come true (literally), I have been blessed. Lemme know if you are curious about specifics.
How do you know that Jesus was answering your prayers? I have things go well for me too... and I don't pray. Some of the most successful people in the world are atheists. They obviously don't pray.
You made an ad hominem by implying that I do not know anything about this subject. You are not the only one with knowledge.
No, I'm not... but you aren't as knowledgable as you think.
Oh... and another repeat.
Ad hominem.
And another one.
Care to back that up with facts?
Sure. It's a FACT that you are blindly devoted to something that you don't fully understand.
Bullshit. Not worth my time. That's pathetic. You repeat yourself yet again, rather than provide an explanation. Strawman: You misrepresented someone's argument to make it easier to attack. Ad hominem: You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument. "We're talking about Jesus Christ here! It's not like you go shopping with him on the weekends. People wouldn't know of him if the Bible didn't exist. You don't know him, you know of him." Still not for you to say. It is my life, not yours, so you have no right to dictate who and what I am, or who and what I know. Like I said, Josephus made a reference to His death. Uhhh... do you mean Sunday? Good question: I meant to say Saturday, and I would love to debate you on this. The choice is yours. Sure. It's a FACT that you are blindly devoted to something that you don't fully understand. I meant with proof.
Tu quoque: You avoided having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser - you answered criticism with criticism. Pronounced too-kwo-kwee. Literally translating as 'you too' this fallacy is also known as the appeal to hypocrisy. It is commonly employed as an effective red herring because it takes the heat off someone having to defend their argument, and instead shifts the focus back on to the person making the criticism. Example: Example: Nicole identified that Hannah had committed a logical fallacy, but instead of addressing the substance of her claim, Hannah accused Nicole of committing a fallacy earlier on in the conversation. Conclusion: Your statement Take it however you want... giving you proof would have no effect on you. You'd probably just repeat your newest catchphrase. fits this description. You did not address the content of my argument or back up your claim with facts, just subjective opinions.
Why do you 'take breaks' from him and sometimes say he is made up or evil? I don't think you know Jesus very well at all because if you did you'd love him forever. Not just when you feel like it.
In itself no. If you sacrifice puppies in the name of Allah, changed your name to Allah AND were close friends with a muslim then I'd be inclined to believe you were a muslim.
I would say that you'd probably "tap" anyone of the opposite sex, but since you're bisexual, it's probably safe to assume that you would be willing to sleep with anyone of any sex.