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 What sucks the most about CreateDebate? (38)

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6 points

I have seen some adults make the worst rebuttals and talk pure ludicrous nonsense. Don't put it on all kids. Put it on immature people in general whether they be adults or children.

Side: Immature people

You are so right Wolf...so have I and I do mention it when I see it. I sure wish we could have a real convo about this.

Side: Immature people
3 points

The people who are drawn to a debate site are one of the following:

1. Want to improve the world by sharing and learning with other open-minded individuals, and giving the intellectual smack-down to the ignorant ones;

2. Want to improve the world by bringing their ideas and reasoning, which need zero improvement, to the masses;

3. Like to troll.

99% of us are #2's. "Certainly not me," thinks every single person who read or wrote this.

Side: Immature people
2 points

Yeah, I'm a two, but I try to be more like a one. Oh well, at least I'm not a troll. (:

What exactly is a troll?

Side: Immature people
2 points

Trolls are the pricks who wander the internet and post pictures of penises everywhere and pick fights with people on forums just to see if they can get them banned.

I'm pretty sure I'm a #2.

Side: Immature people
2 points

I would like to be number 1, but "sharing" requires another number 1 or more. I came to this site thinking that number 1's would be here, but there are few... some of which don't participate anymore. Most of what I see left here are 2's and 3's.

I try though, to be 1's to 2's, but I end up being a 2 because people don't really read it... people don't say "Well, you said this but are you sure that's what you meant" or "While you say x, still y, so explain yourself better". I just get people's up/down votes and maybe someone coming at me with something that is unrelated to the debate in particular... or a quick "I agree! _F-I-F-T-Y_C-H-A-R-A-C-T-E-R_F-I-L-L-E-R_".

I'm never 3 here. My points are always valid even if people don't get them or disagree.

Side: Immature people

The problem with #1 is that if you are too open minded, your brains will fall out. I mean, think about the ACLU. They want to be fair and open minded and all and then they do stupid things like defend NAMBLA.

And as far as giving someone an "intellectual smack-down" is kinda like making fun of the mentally challenge; fun, but mean. It also smacks of elitism and arrogance.

I'm not a #1 nor do I want to be one.

Side: Immature people
3 points

This is the problem with CD, and Plato said it first:

"Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.

Look at the "Weekly Leaderboard" as proof. It is a list of the ten most guilty members.

Those people aren't typically there because people are agreeing with them about something, they are there because they create many debates, and they create many arguments, even if it's not really an argument or even worth reading.

Who is number one on that list? Why is everyone else on that list? Think about it...

Striking, isn't it? CD shouldn't be about creation points and agree/disagree votes, it should be about understanding. Young people aren't the problem, not according to that list of people. Even though there are 10 people on that list, and most of them young, look at the leaders (Mr. and Mrs. CreateDebate)... leading by example.

Side: Worthless debates and arguments
2 points

i have only made five debates. i have 112 points currently. i have been on this site for eleven days. you get 5 points for creating a debate. 112-25=87

thats 87 points by arguments. i'll admit it, a few of my posts were childish, so lets subtract (randomly) 12. i still have 75 good logical points. do not blame this on people who avidly use this site. what is so wrong about creating debates on a site which is called "CreateDebate"? the thing which truly sucks is people who downvote just to make their side win or because they are enemies of that person. the first day i was on this site, i downvoted so my side could win, but i quickly learned not to. do not blame it on people who are good at debating either.

joecavalry has said himself that he does not care about his points because alot of them are from him creating debates. and if you say that kuklapolitan debates childishly or does not get up votes from logical debating then you are just not paying attention.

by the way, are you the "random downvoter"?

Side: Immature people
Bradf0rd(1431) Disputed
3 points

Correction: Not all of the people on that list now are guilty. Typically though, that list holds the most active people, yes, but active in which way? There is a good way, which adds QUALITY, and a bad way, which adds QUANTITY, to CreateDebate.

That list doesn't signify who qualitatively deserves to be recognized, it's just a simple list of people with point gains on CD over a weeks time. What is the surest way to make point gains? Creating a debate gives you 5, adding an argument makes you 1... Is that fair? One good argument is worth 1, a really good argument is maybe worth 6 or 7 (The most up votes I've ever gotten, I think), but creating a debate, whether it's "Why shouldn't I stick my finger in my ass" to something a little more relevant, will always yield 5 points.

Whatever the case may be, I find myself on that list from time to time because I too am guilty once in a while [see the debate regarding alcohol and CD]. It's not the people on it now, it's the crowd on that list most frequently. Also, I'm not saying that people are trying to get themselves on the list purposely, so it doesn't matter if you don't care about the points or not, it's the people more focused on saying more, than saying something well.

If you're a mix of both, then great, you deserve to be recognized, if not though, maybe you need to spend more time on things.

Debating is a lot like... topic based chess. When you think of a debate, play it out in your head first. Remember that most people will be biased to think a certain way, and fix the debate to be as fair as possible. If you're arguing, make sure that you understand both sides before you say anything at all. You need to argue with yourself before you argue with other people. That's the whole point to debate, is to help you get the shit straight, not other people's shit, but your own.

I'm not just saying this to you either, it's everyone here, including myself. I also know that this isn't a serious site, I know where to find the more serious sites, but this one is, well, more enjoyable, but not because of the quality of the debates/arguments. It's the site, and you're all bringing it down, slowly and surely. It needs better content and the site administrators/developers only have so much control over what WE fill it with.

Side: Worthless debates and arguments
Cerin(206) Disputed
1 point

Why all the fuss over down votes? The feature's there to be used. If you're downvoted, it's not the end of the world. Just make better arguments in the future.

Side: Worthless debates and arguments
pvtNobody(645) Disputed
1 point

If you really want to know why you get down votes it should be this: you never, ever, use that shift key conveniently located at either side of the keyboard. Now, I must say I'm impressed that you manage to write so much without ever capitalizing, yet I can't help but feel an irrational desire to down vote you simply because of your disregard for the English language (or any written language for that matter).

Finally Bradf0rd's point wasn't that the members of the leader board make exclusively pointless statements (necessarily I won't presume to speak for him). Rather it was the fact that those contributors are on the leader board solely because they create arguments and debates frequently and that quality of said debates and arguments are overshadowed by the quantity.

Side: Worthless debates and arguments

A very big thank you to you DJ. You've learned quickly my friend!

Side: people like pvtNobody
Cerin(206) Disputed
1 point

Excellent point. In other words, there's too much noise, and not enough signal.

The number of points rewarded to a debate creator should be based on the popularity of the debate (i.e. the quality of the debate). Not the shear quantity of debates created. The weekly leader board would be much more telling in that case.

Side: Worthless debates and arguments
1 point

Yep. To me, it's reason enough to make the starting value of an argument zero. Otherwise we're exalting the clowns on the leaderboard.

Side: Worthless debates and arguments

Me thinks someone has point envy ;)

BTW, in the past I have argued that they should have 2 sets of points. The first set would be the current point system. The second would attempt to be a truer measure of the "quality" of the debate and / or argument. However, the second number could still be skewed by Karma bombing. And you couldn't really get rid of the first number because CD needs to be able to quantify how much activity goes on here in order to justify advertising prices.

The other point I'd like to make (again) is that arguing anyone about anything is fruitless. How many people have you ever been able to persuade simply by the power of your argument on any internet site? These sites are fun, social watering holes. Not the ivory towers of some university.

And that's another thing. The ivory towers of some university are usually filled with people that think alike. Not much debate there.

It's human nature. Birds of a feather flock together and try to stamp out anyone that doesn't agree with them.

Anyway, this boils down to the "have" and the "have not." The "Weekly Leaders" are the "have." Guess which side of that line I'm on ;)

Side: I'm just tugging you chain
DaWolfman(3324) Disputed
1 point

Well I'll give you JC with your leader board statistic but here lets do some simple math on this one. You have made more debates than me and 1 less argument than me and I have 125 more points than you. I always try and make good points.

Side: Huh uh
1 point

All I can say to that is HOW DARE YOU! Who in the hell are you to make a statement like that? At least I participate when I can unlike your self who must have some brand of elitist statistical bull shit debate that you argue to the teeth even when you're dead wrong. Also striking are your debates. Where are they and if they were there who would. Can you never find it in your black heart to speak at the level you're dealing with or is that just too much for you? The wisdom you think you have is only that.

Side: get a clue

I have to say this now; these type of arguments/popularity contests are getting annoying. If you don't like it leave. It's just that simple. You're not forced to stay on CD nor do you have to debate only on this site. I know it's well put together and it can be fun, but you have to take the good with the bad. If you don't like a debate, then don't join. If you're tired of being down voted, let me ask you this, how is being down voted negatively affecting your life? Are you not able to wake in the morning? Do you not like a complete human being unless you can be up voted? I'm not saying that I haven't had my share of rants, but someone needs to put their foot down. All these arguments about what is annoying about CD's users is getting ridiculous.

Side: Please stop this senseless arguing
2 points

Are you talking about this debate itself? It wasn't really meant to be a complaint, more just for fun. I assume you wouldn't have had the same objection if I had asked what the best thing about CD was, but both questions are equally valid. I guess text lacks the inflection of speech, so the title could be taken wrong. It was more of an open question to see what should most be improved.

"If you don't like a debate, then don't join."

If you don't like a debate, then don't join. :P

"If you're tired of being down voted..."

I didn't say anything about that. Maybe you just outed yourself as a rampant downvoter :P

Side: Please stop this senseless arguing

I'm just talking about this discussion in general. What's good, what's bad, etc. It seems as though every week someone is coming up with something new to complain about. With that said, I wasn't speaking just onto this conversation or you in general, this was directed towards the CD community in its entirety.

LOL! I love the comment about the rampant down voter! It reminds me of my youth, and sometimes now, when someone would fart and the "if you smelt it you delt it" debate. :)

Side: Please stop this senseless arguing

I don't understand the mentality of the person that complains instead of trying to figure out ways to change it. If you (the general form of the word "you", not specific form) are so freaking smart, then why can't you realize that....

If you want more relevant debates and argue with "intellectuals," then create more relevant debates and ban the "non-intellectuals" on the "Weekly Leader Board."

You wont stop stupid people from putting in their two cents but if they are not on the weekly leader board then there's a lower chance that they will contribute.

Alternatively create a private debate and invite the intellectuals. This isn't rocket science!

Side: Please stop this senseless arguing

Too many children that are unable to debate properly set up the down vote and insult phenomena.

Side: Kids
1 point

I'll sum it up in two points:

1) People who have over an over inflated ego (yes I know I've suffered from this affliction at times as well)

2) People who lack the ability to complete a sentence.

Honestly, I find (2) infinitely more annoying that (1). I find it difficult to fathom why someone who cannot be bothered to think long enough write a paragraph or better yet read one would want to be involved in a intellectual debate. Then again, there have been woefully few debates on CD in recent months.

Side: Immature people

People on this website just post random stuff that has nothing to do with the topic it's so stupid

Side: Worthless debates and arguments
1 point

lol i join today to see what the aswer to a stupid debate was so its just for pointless debates

Side: Worthless debates and arguments

I want have to say the puppet account they are so stupid.

Side: Worthless debates and arguments
0 points

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Side: Kids
frenchieak(1132) Disputed
2 points

"KIDS

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Yeah... Cool. That's exactly what the problem is. Go ahead and lump people into two categories.

Kids - I guess you think they're all idiots, right? What, did you have some terrible experience recently leading you to believe everyone under 18 (21) is an idiot? My God, calm down.

Adults - They're not kids. No, they're much older than kids, therefore they must all be great. Do you really think this? It looks like it. Which is obviously not the case.

Completely forget that you've just done one of the most annoying things in the history of the internet... Filling in the required space with crap. Yeah, I've done it, but I've also stopped doing it, and you know why? Because it started to annoy me. Even when it was me who was doing it.

Nevermind that an ally of yours, me, is a "kid." You're just allying with anyone who sends you a request now, is that how it is?

All caps? With bold font? Awesome. Really, really cool.

Side: get a clue
2 points

Don't take it too seriously :\ If I had meant "All kids should be banned from CD," I might have listed my reasons. I only posted this with the filler because I know it's a common complaint on the site, and everyone knows the reasons behind it. Its votes could be gauged against the other arguments to see how big of a problem it's considered by the CD community.

"What, did you have some terrible experience recently leading you to believe everyone under 18 (21) is an idiot?"

Yes, it's called CreateDebate :D

"You're just allying with anyone who sends you a request now, is that how it is?"

Yeah, pretty much. But I wouldn't have accepted your add if you were an idiot.

Frenchie, pleeeeease don't put words in my mouth. If it looked like a stupid joke, it probably was. I'm enough of a loudmouth that if I have something to say, I will say it. You read a whole lot into 4 letters and 46+ characters of filler. I guess I should articulate an actual point, since you took it kind of personally. Didn't intend that.

There are smart, mature kids. You're one of them. There are people my age and older who act like overgrown toddlers. I'm related to a couple of them. But the overwhelming majorities? If there's a way to weed out annoying people on the site, an efficient way would be to enforce age requirements.

Really, the main reason I didn't say any of this in the first place is because I'm not quite sure I do want age requirements. First off, they'd be easily lied to. And there are already people like you in the CD community who'd have to be kicked out or something.

"All caps? With bold font? Awesome. Really, really cool."

I know, look! I'll do it to your words too. Adding exclamation points helps, too.

ALL CAPS!!!!!! WITH BOLD FONT!!!!! AWESOME! REALLY, REALLY COOL!!!!!"

!!!

Side: get a clue