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What to do about 2044 when US whites lose majority?
From census data we get a reasonable projection of when non-whites will finally equal or surpass non-hispanic whites in the US population. https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2015/demo/p25-1143.pdf. Basically it happens somewhere around 2044. Which in a democracy means sooner or later white dominance in politics and culture will wane. Your thoughts on the implications?
Theoretically the only ways to reverse demographic trends are through:
better birth/death ratios than competitors
immigration control/deportation
war or some other means of massive die off
I would never advocate for any of those, especially in a democracy. To the contrary, I think the shifting demographics in the US are inevitable and should be embraced. All kinds of people need to pull together and work together to uplift society as a whole.
Even if Clinton loses the current election the fact we already had a black president and we almost had a women president reflects a changing population. And the issues that seem firmly entrenched right now, from gun control to abortion to whatever, may have completely different directions in 30 years (if not sooner) depending on which non-white groups grow faster and exert themselves more.
Certainly not every issue we face comes down to white vs non-white. But what I do believe is true is the vast majority of support for Trump comes from white men longing for the way things were. And if they succeed in putting him in it will not only be the swan song, the last gasp of white dominant power, but also will put whites at a less firm footing when they come to the table with other groups in the future. You don't build a campaign on insulting large groups of people and then turn around and get much sympathy or support or cooperation from them.
I say embrace that puppy! It may be a new change of the current pace is in order, like a breath of fresh air, hopefully a good one.
Any ideas I can think of on fighting it.....well, they aren't good and I don't want to see that happen.
Personally I just don't care who is minority and who is majority, we are all part of one race and we need to get over our personal issues and accept one another.
Oh, and I absolutely agree that the majority of people who support Trump are white males wanting things back the way they were when the white male had all the power.
It is suggested not to speak with such ignorance. I was with you until your last sentence. Why do Clinton supporters think he wants everything to go back to the way it was when white males had the power? Because of his campaign slogan; the same slogan Bill Clinton used when he was running. The difference is Clinton was born and raised in what was a confederate state, where being a white male meant a whole lot more than it did for Trump who was raised in New York.
I can see where you are coming from. It is absolutely my opinion and not fact that the majority of Trump supporters are people wanting that power or history again and that's from observation not statistics. Take what you will from it, I can't stand either candidate.
I will admit, Trump was not my first option. I do question the observation you make, and the reason is this: Liberals have compared Trump to Hitler, though Trumps plan is to remove those who are not legally here and send them home whereas Hitler rounded up the Jews, brought them to him and sent them to camps to be killed. Yes, Trump has been quite vocal with regards to Muslims, but the fact is we do need to, for a time, close our borders, figure out what we have here and go from there. After 9/11 we had no more radical Islamic attacks in this country until Obama was elected in to office. Even Muslims living in Islamic nations think it's ridiculous how our government responds to these attacks.
Well for starters I'm not Liberal...I don't think, and I don't compare him to Hitler. I think he is dangerous, I think his profession of spewing rhetoric of hate and seeding discord will do nothing to heal this country. He is reality TV come to life forming a single entity.
He wants to "round up" undocumented immigrants. Taking roughly 11 million people, forcibly removing them from their homes, from their families, and placing them elsewhere...that has never gone well in history.
What really needs to change is our views on race. We need to stop caring about what color a person is. Your political stance is irrelevant here, but let's face it, a lot of people voted for Obama because he was black. I will not deny racism has been a big part of this nation's history. They way our government and citizens have been fighting it has just made it worse. In order for society to successfully continue, we need to drop race from our vocabulary. We really need people to be blind of skin color. If hiring an equally qualified white man (or woman) instead of a black man because of skin color is racist, the same is true of hiring a black man over a white man.
I don't care that whites might lose majority, I just care that it remains a statistic and that anybody else cares.
What really needs to change is our views on race. We need to stop caring about what color a person is.
That would be nice, but study after study shows that subconscious racial associations are very real.
Your political stance is irrelevant here, but let's face it, a lot of people voted for Obama because he was black.
Studies done on it show that if you take the number of people who voted for Obama because of race, and subtract the number of people who voted against him because of race, you get all of like 3 to 5% of voters. That's really not substantial.
In order for society to successfully continue, we need to drop race from our vocabulary.
But it would still exist, and the state of race relations would still exist.
We really need people to be blind of skin color. If hiring an equally qualified white man (or woman) instead of a black man because of skin color is racist, the same is true of hiring a black man over a white man.
Nobody is saying that hiring an equally qualified white man or woman over a black man or woman is overt racism, they are saying that study after study shows that when you put two equally qualified applicants against each other, the white candidate will get the job an overwhelming majority of the time. That's not overt racism, that's systemic racism.
Nobody is saying that hiring an equally qualified white man or woman over a black man or woman is overt racism, they are saying that study after study shows that when you put two equally qualified applicants against each other, the white candidate will get the job an overwhelming majority of the time. That's not overt racism, that's systemic racism.
Do you really believe the nonsense you speak you DUMBASS DEMOCRAT !
I love everything you said and will agree. Thanks. I'm sorry I felt the need to bring it up, but it would not be true to say the current Presidential election has nothing to do with angry white males.
Angry Negros in Charlotte. Why are those Negros angry in Charlotte and burning down their city ? 8 years of the 1st Negro President and those Negros are still angry. How did this happen ? One dead criminal causes all that uprising but where is the uprising for all the black on black crime in Chicago. Seen none how about you ?
Except I will not be voting for Trump because he is a white male like those who are voting for Hillary for no other reason than she is female. I am not opposed to a female being president. I am not opposed to a black female being president. I am opposed to voting for a person who has broken so many laws and lied so many times to the government and the public. If everything about each candidate remained the same, but genders changed, and Trump was the female, I'd proudly be voting for our first female president.
Fair enough. I still see Clinton as the lesser of two evils compared to Trump. And were there a third party candidate I was excited about I'd vote there but I haven't found one yet.
Which is the same as I feel about Trump; the lesser of two evils. For a third party, I'd need someone I was excited about AND had an actual chance of winning. The third party is typically for those who don't like the candidate of the primary parties, but still wants to do their "civic duty" by voting.
I do believe we need to close the borders and fix our immigration problems. If you believe people have a right to come to this country illegally and receive the rights given to citizens, you're part of the problem.
Honestly though, the larger reason I see Trump as the lesser of two evils is because Clinton should have been persecuted for what happened in Benghazi. She should be persecuted for mishandling classified email. She should be persecuted for the "mysterious" suicides of the 5 individuals that had information
The liberal agenda is to put our country at risk. As poor a metaphor as the Skittles thing was, there is some truth to that. I will not allow my family to be put at risk for the sake of those living in those countries. I cannot stand for an administration that wants to allow a greater threat to our national security as well as add more restrictions preventing American citizens from protecting themselves from these threats. I will not stand for an administration that supports racist organizations such as Black Lives Matter while tearing down those who risk their lives to serve and protect.
The list goes on and on, but I think you get the point.
I do believe we need to close the borders and fix our immigration problems. If you believe people have a right to come to this country illegally and receive the rights given to citizens, you're part of the problem.
This doesn't have to do with "rights" for me, but the economic reality of the situation. Closing the borders is a wildly impractical, incredibly expensive idea what would cost substantially more than it would save, and "fixing our immigration problems" is absurdly nuanced. Would you "fix" it by deporting current illegals, or creating a path to citizenship? Would you "fix" work visas by ending them, or expanding them?
Honestly though, the larger reason I see Trump as the lesser of two evils is because Clinton should have been persecuted for what happened in Benghazi.
Based on what? The Republican investigation into it showed there was nothing that warranted prosecution, so what evidence do you have that the Congressional investigation run by the party that opposes her didn't find?
She should be persecuted for mishandling classified email.
Based on what legal justification?
She should be persecuted for the "mysterious" suicides of the 5 individuals that had information
I love how you said persecuted instead of prosecuted, because that's such an accurate freudian slip.
The liberal agenda is to put our country at risk.
Wait, you legitimately think that liberals want to put their country at risk? Based on what?
As poor a metaphor as the Skittles thing was, there is some truth to that. I will not allow my family to be put at risk for the sake of those living in those countries.
Dehumanization aside, why don't you care this much about the risk your family faces from legitimate threats already in this country?
I cannot stand for an administration that wants to allow a greater threat to our national security as well as add more restrictions preventing American citizens from protecting themselves from these threats.
They do not "want to allow a greater threat to our national security", they disagree that it would be a greater threat, and argue that banning said immigration plays into the hands of IS, itself presenting a greater threat.
As for the restrictions, which proposed gun control policies of Clinton's do you oppose specifically?
I will not stand for an administration that supports racist organizations such as Black Lives Matter while tearing down those who risk their lives to serve and protect.
First, how is Black Lives Matter racist specifically, and second, how has she torn down law enforcement specifically*?
Tell us how you Democrats are going to fix the fiction of racism ? If there is so much racism you dummy how was the 1st Negro President elected ! You are just to stupid.
Of course I don't think it would suddenly go away, but over time it is something that could be done. Do I think it will? Not likely. The greatest threat right now is the false victim mentality that some minorities have. A prime example of this is the incident in North Carolina. A black police chief confirms what happened with regards to a black police officer shooting an armed black man and the response to it is "white people are the devil". So long as this continues and is supported by our government racism will never have a chance of going away; it will only get worse.
Of course I don't think it would suddenly go away, but over time it is something that could be done.
What makes you think it would even lead it to go away over time? Racism exist well before we talked about it, why would it go away by returning to that status quo?
Do I think it will? Not likely. The greatest threat right now is the false victim mentality that some minorities have.
Really? So the "false victim mentality" is a greater threat than police brutality and wrongful killings? Based on what?
A prime example of this is the incident in North Carolina. A black police chief confirms what happened with regards to a black police officer shooting an armed black man and the response to it is "white people are the devil".
Please provide any evidence that the response from the protesters as a whole is "white people are the devil".
So long as this continues and is supported by our government racism will never have a chance of going away; it will only get worse.
How is that sentiment supported by our government in any way, shape, or form, and why do you not seem to care about addressing the situation that is leading to this mentality in the first place?
Do you believe that African Americans are entirely without cause when criticizing the state of race relations in the United States, and for context, what ethnicity are you?
Really? So the "false victim mentality" is a greater threat than police brutality and wrongful killings? Based on what?
Let's look at some figures:
Total amount of people killed by police so far in 2016: 793
Total unarmed: 123
Total unarmed black: 33
Total unarmed white: 65
Total armed: 587
Total armed black: 138
Total armed white:288
4% of those killed of all races were unarmed black people, but that doesn't mean they were all wrongful killings. Unfortunately there's no way to sort these findings based on those appearing to be armed or a threat.
Please provide any evidence that the response from the protesters as a whole is "white people are the devil".
You are posing a question that cannot be answered as there is no organized polling of each individual protester.
How is that sentiment supported by our government in any way, shape, or form...
Obama praising the leadership of BLM and the family of those killed by cops being invited to the DNC are fairly decent examples of their support.
Do you believe that African Americans are entirely without cause when criticizing the state of race relations in the United States
See the above killing statistics and you will see my answer
There are loads of countries that don't have white majorities. Why does it matter? Unless someone is particularly racist it should make no difference to them.
It's also good to note that this wouldn't be a sudden change. The change is already happening and it's going to be very gradual - even the racists will have ample time to accommodate themselves with the changing demographics.
The official 2016 figure for the population of Africa is 1.26 billion, yet most of them are still floating around in dugout canoes and blaming the west for not providing them with free medicines as well as other basic necessities.
Whether the Bongo is in deepest Africa of Manhattan they'll still be the same pathetic bunch of whingers who haven't the ability to form effective cohesive administrations nor establish successful multi-national corporations.
Up the Nile or down the Mississippi the Bongo will always blame the white man for his woeful failings.
Regardless of their numbers they do not represent any threat or even a serious challenge to the whiteman's indisputable supremacy.
The culture of Africa, India, and China, was VERY different than the West. When the ego-filled Westerners came, they saw a different culture and decided theirs was more superior. Therefore, they enslaved the native people, and stole all of their wealth.
Then, once they had this wealth, the minority of super-rich people that had nothing to do but were not lazy asses became wonderful inventors and scientists. Muslims, Africans, Indians, and the Chinese also had their own brilliant thinkers, probably more than in the West, but that changed when the West used their ideology of conquest to rob all the other civilizations that believed in peace and focused on science instead of weaponry.
Then, the other civilizations had no money and were forced to focus on working to make money for their western rulers. They ran out of resources and time to study science. And now they are poor.
Knowing this history, how can you say the West has superior intellect? If you go to somewhere like India or Africa, you will notice many of the schoolchildren, even though they are surrounded by poverty, are dedicated to learning so they can grow up to be scientists, politicians, businessmen, doctors, etc.
However, I see kids in America that are just trying to find out ways to do drugs and have sex without getting caught by their parents. Not just black kids, many white kids as well.
You are talking to an actual, legitimate white supremacist. We are talking the type of person who believes that Africans are genetically inferior.
Trying to discuss the realities of history and how it applies to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs (and further how that relates to scientific and cultural progress) is, unfortunately, a fruitless endeavor.
Your fruitless endeavor of name calling isn't working for you Democrats anymore. Sadly you believe it will. Discussing realities of history is very troubling for you Democrats because you don't know any history. YOU ARE A DUMMY YEAH !
Okay, thanks for telling me before I waste anymore time.
I was thinking about how sad it must be to be him, and it made me happy. He has to suffer while the rest of the world rejoices the inevitable, a society in which members of all races can make meaningful contributions to the community and be valued based on their actions rather than things they can not control like skin color.
Obama' ascendancy is half Irish ( Offlay ) half African.
Every fool, even one as thick as you know that there are exceptions.
Shitheads would also recognize that the allegations blacks are discriminated against is annulled when we see a Black man occupying the highest office in the land.
Shitheads would also recognize that the allegations blacks are discriminated against is annulled when we see a Black man occupying the highest office in the land.
Only if said shitheads knew absolutely nothing about how reality and statistics actually work.
Clever people would be conscious that the Bongo will never be able to compete successfully in the white man's world.
Anyone viewing the ''black problem'' dispassionately would observe that the Bongo's react to their self imposed plight with violence and are incapable of accepting the indisputable truth that they are, generally speaking, less intelligent, lazier than most other racial groups and lack the self discipline to knuckle down to the learning process.
Asians and the Chinese all excel in the education process and are hard working, innovative citizens who, in the main are assets to the communities in which they live.
The congenital Black man's characteristics result in the Bongo being unable to secure gainful employment and leads to crime and a misguided sense of persecution and the inevitable polarization from the rest of civilised society.
The Bongo belongs to the sub-orders of the human race but they will never accept this awful truth about themselves.
They have turned many prosperous cities such as Detroit and Chicago into filthy, third world, crime ridden shitholes just as are found in Africa.
The onus is on the Bongo to earn the respect and trust of all American citizens by merging in with society and playing a positive role in the communities in which they live.
Not so ''The Bongo''. The only people who can alter this endless, intolerable state of affairs are ''The Bongos'' themselves
Laws of racial equality and fair employment legislation have been passed, but they do nothing to change the ''hearts and minds'' of the majority of whites who are sickened with the Bongo's constant whinging and their ''oh poor us'' mentality and how they turn pleasant districts into filthy rat infested dung heaps everywhere they settle
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However, due to their natural leaning towards gangsterism they will never do this in sufficient numbers to achieve racial harmony.
Like any problem, until they acknowledge that it is their slovenliness and violent behaviour which has isolated them from large sections of American society and tackle their own inadequacies and then begin to address and resolve them the ''Black Problem'' is never going to reduced never mind resolved.
If you can't read then you should apportion blame in the correct quarter, your own dumbass stupidity.
However, It's more likely that you can read, but due to your diminished intellect are unable to face up to and deal with the shocking facts which I have so accurately catalogued.