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 What trans women want you to know (89)

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5 points

That's all fine and good, but what they should know is no matter what they do to themselves surgically, they can't change their chromosomes that determined their true sexual gender. But really, who cares is what I want to know.

2 points

They definitely know that. That's why they tend to identify as 'trans women' instead of 'women.'

The point is that gender identify and biological sex are, to some people, different.

And to your question: who cares?

Well, there are lots of very important reasons to care. Most notably, this study tells us that 41% of all transgender people will attempt suicide, compared to 4.6% of general population. And if they live in a world that doesn't accept them, doesn't support them, doesn't understand them, doesn't try to help them and actively works against them, that isn't going to change.

1 point

Have you ever heard of intersexuality? There are people born female bodied but with XY chromosomes and male with XX chromosomes. What goes on in someone's body on the cellular level isn't likely to bother them anyway.

RavenLily(733) Disputed
7 points

Umm, I think what you're describing as 'intersexuals' is what is more commonly known as hermaphrodites where there are abnormalities in the genitalia at birth. These people are not transgendered in the manner of what has become customarily thought of in today's norms such as the person in your video who surgically altered theirs, or Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner who was born with normal genitalia for his sex but prefers now to self-identify as a woman while leaving the family jewels intact.

SlapShot(2608) Disputed
-1 points

And another thing for your edification.

No such thing as sexual gender.

They are two different things.

Sex. And Gender.

Not the same.

Chromosomes do not determine gender.

Chromosomes detrermime sex.

Brain chemistry determines gender.

Sex is what you were born.

Its on your birth certificate.

Gender is not.

Gender is what you FEEL and THINK you are.

Just sayin.

4 points

I want to bang her. So, does that make me homosexual , heterosexual or bisexual?

For the love of God, please don't tell me that I'm transexual.

3 points

She's a woman. A man liking a woman is straight. The fact that she used to be a boy doesn't make you gay or bi.

ProLogos(2793) Disputed
1 point

She ain't a woman. That's the whole point. She's Transgender.

I don't accept her corrupted definition.

2 points

It makes you "happy." Why do you care what label others might put on it?

1 point

I just like to have the definitions.

The definitions GreenAcre. THE DEFINITIONS. O.O

4 points

Appearing before you just don't meet a friend yet nor defiance. In fact if you have a friend among girls and are at peace with the choices you have made stop to receive each girl like a object of fear. There's something wrong with your mentality if you don't think he attractive for me or not , I just communicate with you walking naked into a giant bear's cave.

3 points

What God wants people who call themselves "transgender" to know:

A little poetic license characterizing God's will in accordance to His holy word translated into English, the King James Bible (I know saying the Bible in English is the King James Bible is enough to make a lot of people mad, but I'm just getting started here, please be patient).

"I, God, want all the "transgender" people to know I love them even though they have mutilated themselves or intend to mutilate themselves in rebellion against my plan for them to come into existence as the man or woman they were at the moment they were conceived. Even though you have sinned against me in despising your gender and body, and defiled yourself in perverted desires against my design of nature, I still gave my Son to be the propitiation for your sins and you can be saved from Hell if you will believe from your heart that He is risen from the dead, and receive Him as your Savior. If you really will believe on Him, repentance of your sins will be involved and you will agree with me regarding your errors and mistakes and willful indulgences in perversion, and you will have joy knowing your sins are forgiven and you are going to heaven and will have a new body similar to the angels yet physical the same as Jesus who you will know by the nail holes in his hands and feet and the hole in his side from the spear which pierced His heart. Then maybe you will have time teach transgressors the way of life to know me for real, and I'm sure you will want to stop taking all the meds or injections which change your appearance and let your natural appearance return, and get rid of the long hair if you were a man when conceived and let your hair grow if you were a woman when conceived. You can't un-mutilate your body and will have to wait for a new body in heaven, but you can be right in your heart towards me and walk in confidence of having my peace which I offer through the blood of my Son who paid for your sin so you don't have to pay in Hell and we can be at peace and you can be with me forever in the Kingdom of Heaven".

How do you like me now?

2 points

How is changing the state that something is in against God's will? If it is then we are going against God's plan when we convert things into different forms in our daily lives. Like when we convert wheat to flour. If simply changing something was against God then we all are committing crimes against God.

2 points

God doesn't even exist anyway so I don't even know why I bother responding to this argument. Only morons still believe that in the 21st century societal values and how people are treated should be defined by religion. Your imaginary friend God does not get to define how gay or transgendered people should be treated.

1 point

Outstanding post.

These mutilated drug infested freaks have gone against the natural order.

It cracks me up how the hetero Libtards support them. They think their tolerance shows intellect And compassion.

It shows nothing of the sort.

Rather, it only belies their naivete and utter apathy regarding values and morality.

They might be even worse than the freaks themselves.

Wow.

2 points

OK so basically we need to keep redefining words because people won't accept the current definitions. Gotcha.

Atrag(5666) Disputed
5 points

Would you say that the dictionary is your religion?

ProLogos(2793) Disputed
1 point

I would say it....but it wouldn't make any fucking sense. Got it?

Hope it helped.

Thanks.

2 points

2 things.

Is there a difference to you between transgender and transsexual? I feel like one is before and one is for after surgery. Are we supposed to treat both those people the same?

And, I thought it was a little annoying that she said that guys would be lucky to be with her. If you aren't attracted to transgenders it is just like not being attracted to the same sex.

1 point

Transgender is an umbrella term for all gender non-conforming people including transsexuals. Transsexual specifically refers to someone who is born male but transitions to female or born female but transitions to male. However transgender also includes gender fluid and non-binary people who are not transsexuals.

So all transsexuals are transgender but not all transgenders are transsexual. But they often mean the same thing and are almost interchangeable.

Not all transsexual people choose to have the surgery on their genitals. This is because not all of them feel that what's between their legs defines them. These trans women are known as being "non-op". However Carmen who is the trans woman in the video is post-op.

A guy having sex with her wouldn't know that she was trans unless she told them. Post op trans vaginas are fully functioning and have the appearance of a natural born vagina. Plus her face and body are feminine so the guy would not clock her as trans. Plenty of men who are not explicitly into trans women would look at a photo of her without knowing she's trans and find her attractive.

2 points

How can you make the transition without getting surgery on your genitals? Is that dressing, cutting your hair, etc. like the gender you are transitioning to?

A guy having sex with her wouldn't know that she was trans unless she told them. Post op trans vaginas are fully functioning and have the appearance of a natural born vagina. Plus her face and body are feminine so the guy would not clock her as trans. Plenty of men who are not explicitly into trans women would look at a photo of her without knowing she's trans and find her attractive.

It becomes a gray area. It is plastic surgery. If you meet someone with breast implants or a nose job they can look attractive, but the attractiveness is artificially created. The idea that the beauty is man made can be disappointing.

SlapShot(2608) Clarified
1 point

You confuse the term Transgender with Transexual.

Anybody who changed their at-birth sex later on, via a combo of surgery and hormone therapy is a Transexual. And they are also Transgender because even before the OP they considered themselves to be a different sex than their birth sex.

So you don't have to be a Transexual, that is, have the surgery and hormones, to be a transgender.

Thus...the video title is misleading.

She is more than just a transgender, she began as one and became a Transexual. The process thus fulfilling her earlier feelings of what she really was. Despite the fact he was born with a dick.

Bruce Jenner is an example.

Transgender before!

Now, post Op and hormones, Transexual.

I know............

Confusing at times!

1 point

Jesus Christ.

Really?

This video is yet another example that the End Times are upon us.

Maybe the christians are right.

Btw...notice the whorish clips between her talking point.

Showing her bra. Stretching.

Gross.

What was the point of all that?

To turn on any dykes watching?

Anyway..why the fuck would I care what these freaks want to be called.

They thumb their collective nose at societal norms. At traditional values. And expect us to respect them?

How is that supposed to work?

2 points

Having traditional values is another way of saying being an old fashioned, prudent and tedious cunt.

1 point

Also...look at her real close.

I think she was born male.

Either way....lots of testosterone floating around in there.

Tell me she doesn't have quite the collection of strap ons at home.

LOL

1 point

You would never know she was born a male. She passes 110% and I'm sure is more attractive than any woman you have ever been with. She has almost no testosterone floating around because she is post op and no longer has testicles. Even pre-op trans women don't have testosterone because they block it off with estrogen and antiandrogens.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed Banned
3 points

It's a man who has mutilated themselves and takes a lot of pills and/or hormones trying to appear to be a woman....it's insanity, and to expect people to believe it is normal is one more loop down the spiral of insanity in sin which leads to Hell.

If the guy feels misunderstood or disrespected because I refuse to call him "her", or "she", or "girl", or "woman", that's not my problem. When men do everything they can to weaken the muscles which highlight their skeletal differences from women, it shows...... if they have managed to change their appearance to fool people into thinking they are women, they will give themselves away by acting weird because they are weird and weird people act weird.

SlapShot(2608) Disputed
1 point

Woah!

You men this he/she twit really WAS born male?

I had no idea. Seriously. I never heard of her before.

But as biologist I could discern masculine physiological features.

But I was really sort of half joking when I made that post about the testosterone.

Wow.

Btw...I seriously don't find her attractive. Again...too masculine. I look at the silly queer and see male Barcelona futbol player.

LOL

Btw....I've been with several women who are far more attractive.

Not that you'll believe that. But who cares.

And guess what, numbnuts?

They were real women.

All this lunacy of normallizing unnatural abnormal things. It's funny how all these disorders, dysfunctions, abnormal orientations etc. are constantly pushed on us as something we should accept as normal, but when it comes to pedophiles who have attractions to children, it all of a sudden becomes monsterous for such attractions.

It amazes me the double standards from those on the Left. If we are all suppose accept normalcy on the say so of anyone, then we MUST do the same for the pedophiles who simply have attractions for children but would never abuse them. Can you grasp what is happening in this nation? We can no longer discern anything as being natural or unnaturall because of sick arrogant activists forcing their will on everyone in this nation.

Can you see where this slippery slope is leading this twisted lost nation? It is becoming so twisted that no one can simply state the obvious!

We must spend all our time fighting these Democrats & LBGT activists on the Left, who are pushing these ludicrous PC agendas while our nations says nothing while our children are being abandoned by their fathers by the millions!

Can you believe the sick priorities from the Left?

Cuaroc(8829) Clarified
1 point

but when it comes to pedophiles who have attractions to children, it all of a sudden becomes monsterous for such attractions.

Well if you want to raise awareness for yourself and others like you the first step is to do it yourself and not rely on political parties to do it for you.

1 point

It's funny how all these disorders, dysfunctions, abnormal orientations etc. are constantly pushed on us as something we should accept as normal, but when it comes to pedophiles who have attractions to children, it all of a sudden becomes monsterous for such attractions.

Because a pedophile acting upon his sexual urges is actively hurting someone who does not have the ability to consent. Who is being hurt here?

If we are all suppose accept normalcy on the say so of anyone, then we MUST do the same for the pedophiles who simply have attractions for children but would never abuse them.

What is wrong with having a sexual urge towards children and not acting on it?

And fi you mean those who act on it with good intentions, well, as I said before, children can not give sexual consent. Which is why it's not ok.

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

Your question...... What is wrong with having sexual urges and attractions for children if they do not act on it?

You just said it all! In one smple comment you supported everything I have ever said about the slippery slope and the loss of man's ability to discern right from wrong, abnormal from normal, unnatural from natural.

Tell me, is there anything wrong with someone who has a desire to kill Jews, or kill Christians, or kill Gays, or kill Blacks..... as long as they do not act on it? Do you think there is something wrong with those people? Yes, there is something wrong with people with unnatural, abnormal, inhuman desires. They have issues! They have disorderrs, they have dysfunction. QUIT BEING SO BLINDLY POLITICALLY CORRECT AND STATE THE OBVIOUS.

Do we treate all people with respect as long as they do not harm others? Yes we do. Does that mean we bend over backwards as a nation to sanction any strange sexual orientation or disorder as being normal and worthy of forcing every stae to change their laws? NO!

What ever happened to common sense and the wisdom to call it like it is? Political correctness has created people who think like you and think like the Left. You are fixated on the abnormal unnatural things in this world while caring nothing for the really important things such as the break down in our families and the millions of children abandoned by mothers and fathers.

Your priorities are totally mindless. Like I keep saying, the only possible explanation for such fixations is mankind fighting against God and any notion of moral vlaues, right and wrong, normalcy, etc.

No other reason can explain this PC fixation with weird sex.

These types of debates have supported everything I have ever said about the slippery slope and the loss of man's ability to discern right from wrong, abnormal from normal, unnatural from natural.

Tell me, is there anything wrong with someone who has a desire for children..... as long as they do not act on it? Do you think there is something wrong with those people? Yes, there is something wrong with people with unnatural, abnormal, desires. They have issues! They have disorders, they have dysfunction. QUIT BEING SO BLINDLY POLITICALLY CORRECT AND STATE THE OBVIOUS.

Do we treate all people with respect as long as they do not harm others? Yes we do. Does that mean we bend over backwards as a nation to sanction any strange sexual orientation or disorder as being normal and worthy of forcing every state to change their laws? NO!

What ever happened to common sense and the wisdom to call it like it is? Political correctness has created people who think like you and think like the Left. You are fixated on the abnormal unnatural things in this world while caring nothing for the really important things such as the break down in our families and the millions of children abandoned by mothers and fathers.

Your priorities are totally mindless. Like I keep saying, the only possible explanation for such fixations is mankind fighting against God and any notion of moral vlaues, right and wrong, normalcy, etc.

No other reason can explain this PC fixation with weird sex.