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What was the last thing you changed your opinion about?

As we mature our opinions change and become (hopefully) more refined. What was the last adjustment you made to your ideology? hmm I don't expect many people to share... Or course I'd love to be proven wrong!

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In the last few weeks, I've realized that Nietzche is a whiny twat. I've always read that he's been revered, almost worshiped by many, and is said to be one of the best philosophers in the world, with original insights into many things. However, as I've read more about him, I've just got a feeling that he's nothing more than a pompous, sad, lonely man.

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So what of his philosophy DO you agree with still if anything?

BenWalters(1498) Clarified
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I agree with much of it, if I'm in a wishful mood, barring his opinion of himself. His idea of ubermensch is interesting, and something I think is worth thinking about, but at the end of the day, it's not something that you can ever know, as such, and he went crazy trying to find an answer, so I'll stay away from that. I agree with his opinions on religion, nihilism, and somewhat on morality. He's definitely someone worth studying, and very important for the progress of philosophy, I just now stay away from supporting 'Nietzsche' in full.

Could you please elaborate on this? I mean, what specifically makes you think Nietzsche is a whiny twat? Also, could you please justify your labels: "pompous", "sad", and "lonely man" (actually, I will reluctantly agree with the last one) by specifically referencing aspects of the man (or his philosophy). Your response to Atypican seems to be in stark contrast to this one.

Nietzsche has always been a divisive figure, he still is, even today when most of his most radical views have been assimilated into our collective consciousness, and have largely become commonly accepted knowledge e.g. Bertrand Russell absolutely despised Nietzsche's philosophy, it aroused in him a completely irrational response (from his usual super-rational demeanor and locution).

BenWalters(1498) Clarified
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I mean, what specifically makes you think Nietzsche is a whiny twat?

He wrote excessively on his loneliness, which you admitted, did he not? His writing made it seem like he suffered more than most (which he did), which I feel is whiny.

pompous

Did he not consider himself an absolute moral authority? Personally, even in my proudest moments, I never see myself as completely right. He spoke on subjective issues with such conviction in his own opinions that I can't help but see him as a little arrogant - perhaps justifiably, but regardless, true.

sad

Again, I expect him to be, he did have a tough life. Between the death of his father, his lack of romance, and mental health issues, and shown by his occasionally pessimistic philosophy, I see him as sad.

Your response to Atypican seems to be in stark contrast to this one.

My response showed that I still greatly respect him and his views, I just have problems with his character, and I don't think I'd be very friendly towards him if I met him. This isn't contradictory to my original statement.

A lot of what I got from him was on here.

I don't know if you'd call it a change in opinion, but I recently gained more insight into the intricacies of storytelling in general.

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Anything you care to explain ?

At this hour, I wish I could, but I cannot, ha ha.

Simply put, I guess it would be more accurate to say I learned how to compose a story better then before, in relation to how an audience receives one.

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Ben is correct and Nietzche is a whiny twat, and that excellent observation should get more upvotes. I never doubted that fact though.

What I've changed my mind about is the sanity of 40% or so of the U.S. population that believe shit like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism.

Read this article: http://bodyhorrors.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/blood-money-hookworm-economics-in-the-postbellum-south/

I once thought 40% or so of the U.S. population was a combination kinda dumb and just didn't pay much attention to the world around them.

Now I'm convinced 40% of the U.S. population has some sort of hookworm similar to what was around in the south late 20th century.

Except this hookworm is somewhere in their brain and is making them batshit crazy.

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Recently I've come to terms that some welfare for basic needs (food and healthcare) are necessary. I've also decided that a voucher program for schools, while better than public schooling, is NOT necessary.

The time span with these beliefs is about two years.

Also within two years I've decided that ANY legislation in protection of animals is not necessary.

Over the past two years, I've grown to like a lot of what Marx has said since it turns out that we agree a lot on hegemony and the superstructure.

I'd say that there's nothing really that has happened most recently that I'd consider significant. I've grown to accept Krugman as a decent economist despite his many flaws, but I haven't noticed much about him beforehand anyway.

But beyond two years, i wouldn't say it was recent.

The last thing would have to be protection of animals, because while I've always found animal rights to be an infringement on human rights, I've only recently decided that this should explicitly expand all the way to extreme cases of animal abuse. Over two years ago I was fine with Michael Vick being convicted, but even then I thought about how wrong it really was. Only until recently (and because of a couple of debates on this site) have I decided that my stance on the position is that animals have NO rights and should not be protected under the law.



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