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What would be ideal for society?

Everyone has ideas about proper policies. Those policies typically have an ideal or a goal in mind. So what is the ideal societal situation as far as the left and the right are concerned?

From the Left's perspective

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From the Right's perspective

Side Score: 119

I'll put it on here for the Democrats-

The government will control the distribution of meds.

The government will control all of the food distribution.

We will be flooded with Muslims and hope that they don't kill every last one of us in a systematic jihad of attacks.

Mexico will merge with America by coming across the border in mass and outvoting us in our own country, making for a new Mexican cartel state.

Side: From the Left's perspective
Amarel(4987) Clarified
2 points

I think you have given what the Right thinks the Left hopes. Why don't you post on the other side for what you actually think is ideal for society?

Side: From the Left's perspective
1 point

Hello A:

I'm a lefty. But, I'm not empowered to speak for others..

I'm a staunch capitalist who believes in the safety net.. Ideally, that means people would take care of themselves, and those who can't aren't cast aside..

That's the nuts and bolts of it.. How deep do you want me to go? I COULD talk about the ACA v the AHCA if you want.

excon

Side: From the Left's perspective
Amarel(4987) Clarified
2 points

I'm a lefty. But, I'm not empowered to speak for others

I would like you to try. I want to know what the ideal would be for those college campus rioters. What do social justice warriors really want in the end?

I'm a staunch capitalist who believes in the safety net

I'm not sure a staunch capitalist can truly say they are a lefty. How do you feel about crippling regulations? What's your take on household and corporate taxes? Sanders says we should have free college. I don't think the Left really likes capitalism that much.

Side: From the Left's perspective
excon(13041) Disputed
1 point

Hello again, A:

Look.. The Free Speech movement STARTED at Berkeley.. I dunno what happened to it..

I'm in business.. Regulations are a fact of life.. They don't cripple me, though.. In fact, I'm GLAD they protect the environment, and pave my streets. I don't mind paying for it.. Yes, there are onerous regulations and I don't mind if they repeal those.

Taxes don't cripple me either.. The published corporate rate is 39%.. But, that's BEFORE deductions and tax credits.. Plus, I have a very aggressive tax planner. My effective corporate tax rate is about 22%.

Look.. You don't think lefty's like capitalism, and I don't think righty's like freedom.. But, that's where we find ourselves, isn't it?

excon

Side: From the Right's perspective
1 point

There isn't a moderate column but since you conservatives declare me to be liberal anyway I'll comment over here...

All of life is a balance. All in or all out on most any topic usually does more harm than good. So with that said:

Domestically:

1) We need a balanced budget. And those few times in history we face extraordinary circumstances, like paying for a natural disaster clean up or paying for a war to protect ourselves, we should follow in the years later with the types of budget corrections to gradually pay those debts down and get back to balanced budget.

2) We need legislators who serve the voting public instead of the lobbying corporate interests. And when they don't work that way we need to vote them out.

3) We need respect for constitutionally protected civil rights, and for whatever the current final verdict from the Supreme Court is on a matter.

4) We need Presidents who stay within their Constitutionally provided powers and who don't essentially legislate by executive orders (and I'm not just talking Trump, I disagreed with Obama doing it too and I've said that on these debate websites)

5) We need social services within the balanced budget.

6) We need properly funded public education, and yes we do need to hold those schools and teachers accountable.

7) We need a basic humanitarian level of health care for all, but by that I mean first aid and assistance with basic normal life tasks, like child birth or broken limbs. There is no automatic right for major surgery or gender reassignment.

8) We need as much sustainable fair trade as we can get.

9) We need basic minimum protections in the workplace so the little guy doesn't get chewed up - meaning we need OSHA safety requirements, a minimum wage, fair opportunity, protection from harrassment and predation, etc. What those levels are is a fair debate to have, but to say throw them all out is lunacy.

And 10) We need free press and freedom of speech.

Foreign Policy:

1) We need to stand by our allies, be trustworthy to not give secrets away, and be consistent in what we say and do.

2) We need to stop giving millions and billions of dollars of aid all over the world while at the same time slashing at our own citizens and racking up unimaginable debt levels.

3) We need to stop having giant military bases in foreign countries for half centuries or longer.

4) We need to stop precision bombing from far away. If it matters enough militarily to go blow something up then go in with force and do it right. But if we're not ready to do that then you probably shouldn't be lobbing death from afar. And sooner or later our enemies are going to figure out how to do the same back to us and then you'll be looking at missiles somehow smashing into Macon GA.

5) We can do all of the above without being isolationist. Being isolationist and just saying out of everywhere and America first is just the lazy layman's way of saying they don't understand the complexities of the world so just screw everyone else. But it's not that simple. Isolation just leaves you isolated.

I'm sure I could think of more. But these are the principles by which I'd like to see things run around here.

Side: From the Left's perspective
outlaw60(15500) Disputed Banned
1 point

Hey Moderate Oh Boy Barack never had a balanced budget ! Show me a Progressive in Congress that doesn't serve the lobbying corporate interest ! Moderate you want the SCOTUS writing the laws in this country ! Tell me Barack Obama knew anything about the Constitution ! Thought Barack was a Constitutional Scholar ?

Side: From the Right's perspective
Grenache(6103) Disputed
1 point

I objected to Obama's budgets as well as the bailout packages. And Congress is rotten throughout and that's the fault of apathetic voters as well as the stupid bipolar extremist voters. And I don't want the Supreme Court writing laws, but likewise when they conclude something is or is not constitutional that indeed is their job.

All easy to answer outlaw. Because I don't have half my brain tied behind my back.

Side: From the Left's perspective

I'm not a leftist, but I see that this side has not received appropriate representation, which isn't a good thing. I still don't neccessarily support these reasons.

People should not feel alienated. Integrating into the society should be as simple and smooth as possible without any prejudices, and progress should be encouraged as an important goal.

People can be alienated only if they are directly harmful to society or its progress.

(As it stands, it's basically just a "fake it till you make it" attempt towards a utopia.)

Side: From the Left's perspective

1)No need for any more immigrants from cultures and regions hostile to our culture. Only immigrants from civilized cultures and areas that have proven they can coexist in our society.

2)Political correctness dies.

3)Chivalry becomes a societal norm again.

4)2 Genders become normal nationwide.

5)We put tariffs on any company that leaves the U.S. and then wants to sell back to us from overseas. Our country wins if they stay. It wins if they leave. But in reality, they'd never leave if the tariffs were fierce.

6)We begin teaching Biblical principles in school again. The moral decline of America could reverse back to something half way normal and sane again.

7)Burning the flag would get you tossed out of the country or thrown in prison for treason.

8)Monsanto would be tossed out of the country, and we would give students incentive to be farmers again.

9)We'd make a military that would be unstoppable and have a strong ability to stop foreign threats through intimidation and fear alone per technology, numbers of air personel, and military strength.

10)We'd insure that women never have to cover their heads with hijabs or wear burkas, that they never lose the right to vote, etc.

Side: From the Right's perspective
Amarel(4987) Clarified
1 point

First, thank you for posting an honest response on the correct side. I will address each position in your numbered order.

1. I imagine this means cultures that are similar enough to ours that they can feasibly assimilate to ours if they choose to come here. If this is correct, you don’t need to respond.

2. I don’t think the idea will ever die, but relegating it to the realm of speeches by politicians would make any critique of their language much more reasonable and any critique of any private individual’s language no matter of concern.

3. What is Chivalry?

4. What happens to people who do not have normal gender situations?

5. Why do both the left and the right feel it is correct and proper to impose governmental will on peoples’ economic activities?

6. Would it be enough to expand private education; such that people can choose what religious and moral indoctrination their children receive? Or do you propose government mandated bibilical teachings to all the children whose parents are Atheists, Buddhists, Hindu, Muslim, Etc.?

7. That kind of expression of discontent with political circumstances is lacking in perspective, respect and class. But it should not be illegal. What was your branch?

8. I can’t understand why the Right should target a private organization such as Monsanto. What exactly is their crime?

9. A military that is this unstoppable would be one that the people this nation could not defend against. It is also one that all the wealth in the world cannot truly fund. Unstoppable? Sure. Undefeatable? No such thing.

10. While you’re at it, why not end world hunger and bring world peace?

Side: From the Left's perspective
1 point

Chivalry is when men quit rejecting biology and embrace their masculine programming to protect and honor their mate, rather than being brainwashed to be gender neutral and/or reject their own masculinity.

Side: From the Left's perspective
1 point

What happens to people who do not have normal gender situations?

It can all be worked out. I had this debate with LittleMisfit. If someone is truly that unique, they will choose the gender they most associate with, it will be put on their drivers license, and they will go to that particular bathroom. If they ever have a change, they will have that change put on their license and will then go to that particular bathroom. What they will not be doing is going to both bathrooms at the same time as if it is a bathroom game.

Side: From the Left's perspective
1 point

If they stay in the U.S., they won't have any government interference. If they choose to get rich here, then bail for cheaper labor, they'll pay the price for not being loyal to our people. It's their choice. We don't have to let them ship anything into our country. It's a privilege, not a right.

Side: From the Left's perspective
1 point

We don't teach the Bible. We teach its basic moral principles because that's the principles that created the nation in the first place. It's a privilege for them to come to a nation with a Christian culture. Notice that immigrants are not flocking to countries centralized around those other belief systems. They flock to Christianized cultured nations. It's our duty to give them such cultured areas to go to, otherwise they will have nowhere left to go.

Side: From the Left's perspective
1 point

That kind of expression of discontent with political circumstances is lacking in perspective, respect and class. But it should not be illegal.

Sure it should. You asked for MY ideal society, not yours, and seeing I am the dictator in this hypothetical situation, flag burning will be a punishable offense. It's treason against the United States of America. If you don't like America, we can and will show you the door. You are welcome to try your chances in Mexico, Pakistan, Iran, China, whatever you wish. There is no guarantee that they will accept you though, so good luck.

Side: From the Left's perspective
1 point

I can’t understand why the Right should target a private organization such as Monsanto. What exactly is their crime?

Monopoly over the industry, efforts to destroy private farms, and the creation of the suicide gene in seeds, which is morally outrageous and logically very unwise for us to allow.

Side: From the Left's perspective
1 point

A military that is this unstoppable would be one that the people this nation could not defend against. It is also one that all the wealth in the world cannot truly fund. Unstoppable? Sure. Undefeatable? No such thing.

It's an overzealous word. It was a synonym for a "powerful military". If it is not undefeatable, then our people need not worry. Plus I'm the dictator in this situation, and I will only use it for good... as far as you know.

Side: From the Left's perspective
1 point

While you’re at it, why not end world hunger and bring world peace?

Not my job. It's my job to protect the people in my own country. And I will not allow forcing women into degrading oppression that is beyond the pale. This is a "left vs right" debate. Most of the world doesn't have a "left vs right" mentality or system, so I am assuming you mean the United States.

Side: From the Left's perspective
xljackson(260) Disputed
1 point

Why would you ruin all those great points with number 6 'biblical principals'.

Morality does not need religion, religion does not need morality, as you can see in Manchester at the moment...

All religion is poison, we are smarter than that.

Side: From the Left's perspective
1 point

Islam being poison doesn't mean other religions are poison. Not all religions are alike or even similar.

We aren't smarter than that. The more the West has pulled away from Biblical principles, the worse it has gotten, from morality to terrorism.

If Atheism was some magic cure, and religion was the "problem", then the greatest dictator mass murders wouldn't have been manifested by Atheists. Religion isn't the problem. Man is the problem.

Side: From the Right's perspective
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

You don't like the idea of Jesus Christ ruling the world because you are a pervert and you know He won't allow your perversions.

Side: From the Left's perspective
1 point

This side is right, the right is the side to be on, the other side is wrong...and I'm not talking about politics, I have little if any confidence in either political party to do what is right. What would be ideal for society would be Jesus Christ the KING of all kings ruling the world and all the corrupt governments of the world (which is every nation on the planet now) be abolished.

Side: From the Right's perspective
xljackson(260) Disputed
1 point

Don't you think it would be a better place if Santa ruled the world? What about Chuck Norris? Wait...He already does!

Side: From the Left's perspective
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

Ummmmmm..........do you think Santa is God, or is Santa something that you imagine which is not God and does not compare to God, and your brain fails to see the difference showing that your brain is not functioning normally?

Were you taught in school that the more you can act like a jack ass, the more intelligent you are?

Side: From the Left's perspective
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

I think you ask stupid questions and make stupid comments and all you have is nonsense, dying, no good nothing to hope in......and I think you are a fool, and I think you prove it by your words and attitude.

You're going to go yourself and see if God has the right to leave you in the fire of Hell, aren't you, fool?

You are going......enjoy your trip, if you feel better by insulting Christians then by all means do that as long as you can until you are blue in the face.

Side: From the Left's perspective
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
0 points

Thanks for reading my posts, and thank you for showing how hopeless your beliefs are.

Side: From the Left's perspective
1 point

I thinks like a rat thinks. *

Side: From the Right's perspective
0 points

A world of red light districts.

A world of drinking and smoking pot on the streets.

A world of women wearing revealing shorty shorts.

Kangaroos as taxis that hop you from place to place.

Side: From the Right's perspective
Amarel(4987) Clarified
1 point

Tell us how you really feel .

Side: From the Left's perspective
Antrim(1297) Clarified
1 point

What about barroom brawling and flower arranging?

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Side: From the Left's perspective