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 What would make you change your mind? (14)

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What would make you change your mind?

If you are agnostic or athiest, what would need to happen to make you truly believe in a god?

If you are a theist, is there anything that would make you abandon your religion (if you belong to one)? What would make you abandon your belief in a god altogether?

It doesn't matter if the occurence is considered possible or not.

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If you are agnostic or athiest, what would need to happen to make you truly believe in a god?

First I think of god as a word that is interpreted differently by different people. I try not to jump to conclusions of what is meant by god when people use that word. I would strongly hesitate to answer the question "Do you believe in god?" Understanding a persons theology requires a level of intimacy that involves deep consideration of a persons non-verbal actions which according to my experience are often in stark contrast to the verbal.

As far as I can tell many people use god as a metaphor for their concept of "greater good". Do I think it's worthwhile to to do so? Not necessarily, but I do believe it can be.

Life has convinced me to identify as atheist because it seems to me that theism (at least in it's predominate form) retards curiosity and reverence for life. I had an interesting discussion once about theology, where my opponent took the position that "everyone has a theology". Perhaps it will be thought provoking to some to consider that while one may steadfastly deny having a theology per se, they do (unless I am mistaken) have something intellectually analogous to it.

Everyone's decisions and outlook are shaped by assumptions and value judgements they make. Typically people have quite a number of heavily reinforced conclusions they have come to about reality. Everyone I have had the opportunity to interview to any depth has at least one they are willing to admit a lack of willingness to budge on.

those are my meandering thoughts....try to answer the question! right!

So what would change my mind is love. If I noticed a distinct change in the way most people use the word "god", and it became clear that more often than not it was simply being used as a metaphor for love, I'd have no problem proclaiming my belief in god, and meaning it.

I'd need proof of a God to believe in it. I try not to be irrational, religious faith isn't something I could have.

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What, specifically, would constitute proof of a god for you?

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Direct intervention, a personal message to me, I'm not sure, but I would imagine that if I did see something, I would recognise it.

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God would have to become completely natural, rather than be supernatural.

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zombee(1026) Disputed
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So there is nothing that could make you believe in the supernatural?

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Irrevocable proof of his non-existence or at the minimum a thorough and true set of answers to the various evidences for the existence for God

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What would be proof of God's nonexistence to you? Proof of the existence of a contradicting god?

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Vaan(167) Disputed
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A contradicting God wouldn't make sense because my religion says the possibility of that is impossible. SO if that were to happen I would convert to polytheism (although I consider polytheism illogical in principle).

Proof of non-existence would be either empirical, logical or rational evidence that far outweighs the evidence for God and thus makes the probability of there being a God fleetingly small.

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Me actually sitting down and talking with God. lol Or me dying and finding out there actually is a hell. :)

But honestly, nothing on Earth could. Only death could I suppose.

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