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 What would the world be like without alcohol? (73)

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What would the world be like without alcohol?

**Meaning, what would the world be like if alcohol (or any type of intoxicating drink) was never produced in the form of a drink?**

I'm being specific because I know some people will try to find loopholes. I think you know what I mean.

 

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I truly believe that if there were no alcohol to be had anywhere in the world that we would all be sober ;)

I have to love your wit. +1

Side: It would be the same
1 point

Lol I do believe that there would be less hangovers than before.

Side: It would be the same
1 point

Why alcoholic peoples are not sober or what?.........alcoholic people also can be sober depend on them..we cnt point out anyone dear......

Side: It would be the same
3 points

Drinking in heavy amounts does nothing but hurt your kidneys. If we look at the pros there definitely are. Red whine is good for your heart, beer is good for re hydrating yourself after heavily working out and sweating a lot, vodka is a good way to eh um ... well you get the point. Prohibiting is also not a good idea since it has already been tried, what was the outcome? OUTRAGE. It was like the government had banned haircuts nearly everyone resisted especially the hard working men in the field, the need something to forget their problems rite?

Side: Bad
2 points

I dunno... there are few things in this world as enjoyable as getting drunk with good friends.

Alcohol
Side: Bad
JakeJ(3255) Disputed
2 points

Oh you are SO wrong about that. There are plenty of things that are more enjoyable than intoxicating yourself just for fun.

oh and the video doesn't work, -good thing to, I can't stand that song [;

Side: A Better Place
pvtNobody(645) Disputed
1 point

Have you ever been intoxicated? How would you know if it's not a great thing?

Side: A Better Place
rihaana(85) Clarified
1 point

my frnds wen they wan to do parties they do drink party only.............why i dnt know...what they in that ................every one had an different syle to enjoy ......mine is dancing wid frnds........................but avoid alcohol.............its better for all

Side: A Better Place
2 points

no alcohol= No Alcoholism, not using alcohol as antidepressant, No drunk driving accidents (which means less car accidents).

Side: A Better Place
1 point

Very, very different. Many of the products and medicines we use in our everyday lives were developed based off of techniques originally developed for the creation of alcohol. Forget the enjoyability of alcoholic drinks in general, the process led directly to things like pasteurization, the understating of the microscopic world, genetics and many other bio technical fields (I only know this because I had to take a non-physics, and chemistry science and the only course open at the time I needed was Biotechnology and Genetic Engineering).

Side: Bad
JakeJ(3255) Disputed
1 point

Lets assume we had found another another way to make medicine. I think you missed the meaning of the debate. Okay let me be even more specific:

What would the world be like if nobody ever drank alcohol for enjoyment?

Side: A Better Place

If nobody ever drank alcohol for enjoyment then the world would be a sober place. ;)

Side: A Better Place
pvtNobody(645) Disputed
2 points

I think you missed the point, if nobody ever drank alcohol then they never would have experimented further with the process. Thus my point is entirely valid within the constraints you laid out for the debate.

The debate was and still is loaded to try and make alcohol look like the source of many societal problems that exist in cultures that don't drink large amounts of alcohol anyway. Alcohol is not a problem, it's people's abuse of it, and society's choice to exile it into fringe situations that make it dangerous especially for young people. As I've pointed out before, drunk driving is less of a problem in Europe simply because the consumption of alcohol is allowed a younger age and teenagers are able to experiment with it more safely for a variety of reasons.

Side: Prohibition is a bad idea

You are absolutely right! Very good point! +1 for you!

Side: It would be the same
1 point

Well if you're talking about Prohibition, we tried that once, and it turned out to be a bad idea.

"When Prohibition was introduced, I hoped that it would be widely supported by public opinion and the day would soon come when the evil effects of alcohol would be recognized. I have slowly and reluctantly come to believe that this has not been the result. Instead, drinking has generally increased; the speakeasy has replaced the saloon; a vast army of lawbreakers has appeared; many of our best citizens have openly ignored Prohibition; respect for the law has been greatly lessened; and crime has increased to a level never seen before."

- John D. Rockefeller, Jr.

Supporting Evidence: Prohibition in the United States (en.wikipedia.org)
Side: Prohibition is a bad idea
JakeJ(3255) Disputed
1 point

I'm not talking about prohibition. I thought I made that clear in the description.

Side: READ THE DESCRIPTION
pvtNobody(645) Disputed
0 points

Actually you are talking about prohibition, if nobody chose to consume alcohol it wouldn't matter if it had been discovered or not.

Side: Prohibition is a bad idea
1 point

Not sure what I would do while I was fishing....but I can see both sides of this argument I guess, I just happen to like to drink. Alcohol is a poison and a medicine, it'll knock you down then it'll pick you back up.

Cheers to everyone....

"I feel bad for people who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning that's as good as they're going to feel all day" - Winston Churchill

Side: Prohibition is a bad idea

Simply put, alcohol is not the problem, people are. If you're going to get on the topic of addiction than that's something entirely different, but alcohol runs so many components of society that it is just absurd to think of a world without alcohol as a way to improve the human lifestyle. It is very involved in science, involved in society, involved in economies, involved in religions, and involved in governments. (the list goes on and on and on) It is not that we should get rid of alcohol, it's that we should respect it for what it is: a gift.

Side: It would be the same
JakeJ(3255) Disputed
1 point

Hey I never said alcohol was the problem. I also never said anything about getting rid of it. I am simply asking what the world would be like if alcoholic beverages were not around, but it must be a really hard question because most of you are desperately trying to be clever and find a way around it.

Side: READ THE DESCRIPTION
pvtNobody(645) Disputed
0 points

Actually you seem to imply that alcohol can be blamed for a number of problems from these statements (among others):

a) Think of all the people that would still be alive.

b) Think of all those drunk drivers.

c) Think of all money alcoholics spend in a year.

d) Think of all the children that will eventually become alcoholics.

e) Less people would be homeless.

f) Less people would get divorced.

From these statements we can deduce that you think the discovery of alcohol has caused in some part the following societal problems:

1) death, from (a)

2) drunk driving (i.e. death and injury since driving drunk along a road is not in and of itself a problem; its the fact that one's judgment and reaction is impaired often resulting in death or injury that makes drunk driving a problem) from (a) and (b)

3) Homelessness (e)

4) Divorce (f)

I do not consider (c), or (d) to be societal problems in that they are personal choices, and c may well be beneficial to the economy (after all the fastest cure for a recession is to reverse the fear of spending). As for (d) that is a result of a variety of other social problems which may or may not have been covered but I don't think that alcoholism is in and of itself caused by alcohol (nor can a reasonable argument be constructed to show this idea).

We can therefore make the following implication: if alcohol causes problem x, then alcohol is responsible for the problem, where x is one of the problems listed above (numbers 1 through 4). Further we can say that if alcohol is responsible for a problem, then it is in and of itself a problem. Thus you have said by implication that alcohol is the problem.

By the way, I never tried to get around your original topic, you just changed the rules to make it appear as if I was trying to be clever and find a loophole. Now you may well be wondering why I choose to spend so much time refuting every argument you've made. It's not because I dislike you, or that I am particularly passionate about this debate it is in fact a combination of boredom and a dislike for people who try and structure a debate so that the only possible conclusion is their viewpoint.

Side: Prohibition is a bad idea
1 point

Well said. Alcohol is ingrained in many of the world's societies. Yes alcohol can be bad for you, but thats only if you abuse it. When moderation is applied, it is a very enjoyable substance. Its when PEOPLE abuse it or misuse it do problems arise. Yes it technically does you harm when you drink say 7 or 8 beers or take 5 or 6 shots, but there are so many other things that people put in their body that aren't even drugs and can do you harm. McDonald's dollar menu is eaten every day, and that stuff sure as hell isn't good for you, but its convenient. What would the world without alcohol be like? Another drug would probably take its place. It's clear that a portion of society just likes to get intoxicated, so that need would be fulfilled by other means.

Side: A Better Place
1 point

the best place ever

Side: A Better Place
1 point

This is what the world would be like.

(this video is just for fun, don't take it seriously) [:

People Dancing
Side: A Better Place
0 points

Actually they're all on coke.

Side: It would be the same
1 point

All the people who think alcoholism is a "disease" would be "cured"; when actually people who are ADDICTED to alcohol won't get their fix.

Side: It would be the same
1 point

I forgot to add, there would be more organized crime in smuggling alcohol to different places; bad idea.

Side: It would be the same
1 point

I'd loooove it if the world didn't have any alcohol in existance. It's the greatest excuse people have to shut their brains down and it's annoying. Also, I see it as slow suicide, the same for eating disorders; so I'm usually like, "why don't you just go cut your wrists and speed up the process?" (I mostly say it to people in my head though.) :-)

But really, I despise that crap. I think people would find BETTER ways to deal with themselves, like, get therapy, get a better hobby perhaps. And everyone would be happier.

Side: It would be the same

I'm sure that if alcohol didn't exist, another substance would that would have created the same industry with similar benefits and similar problems. But if alcohol were to suddenly disappear, uncountable jobs would be lost, hospitals would be dealing with alcohol withdrawal, many medicines and other products would be obsolete, and parties would be a lot more awkward.

Side: Bad

If the alcohol give up to exists people start to rebel and there wouldn't be the peace in our world because alcohol is not the things which helps to enjoy and for a time forget about the problems and just to relax as many think it plays an outstanding role in our life. As sad as to consider the alcohol it is the mostly problem solver for each person sometimes vise versa. For instance you want to get a big deal with influential person for your own definitely aims and you invite him in a good restaurant to have a suitable time and atmosphere for meeting with another influential person to reach the goal.... what do many people mostly do at this situation? how are they act? You have your target and in spite of all it is really important to you need to achieve it and of course you need to offer him the goblet of expensive wine for him to understand the respect from you. The alcohol the organizer of suitable and appropriate piece of supporting things which never betray you at situation like this and of course it leads to the agreement of both sides. According to the experience in history the good agreement between people made after drinking the glass or more of alcohol.

Side: Bad

I think it would be a better world because there would be less fatal car accidents.

Side: Bad
0 points

The world would be a better place.

Think of all the people that would still be alive.

Think of all those drunk drivers.

Think of all money alcoholics spend in a year.

Think of all the children that will eventually become alcoholics.

Less people would be homeless.

Less people would get divorced.

Should I stop here or should I keep going?

Side: A Better Place
3 points

Being the nice fellow I am, I'm going to give you something to empower your argument: http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/publications/global_status_report_2004_overview.pdf

This should make this argument a lot more interesting! Enjoy Jake and anyone else who sides with jake/ wants to know the other sides proof sources, etc...

...get's back to his glass of wine ;)

Side: It would be the same
1 point

Hey thanks allot, the link's not working for me right now, but I'll try it later.

Side: A Better Place
pvtNobody(645) Disputed
1 point

But you fail to take into account the benefits of fermentation, which would never have been developed had it not been for accidental contamination of prehistoric stews or something like that, which produced a beverage that someone must have enjoyed enough to attempt to reproduce.

Side: Bad
1 point

Oh, I forgot to mention:

I'm not saying that everyone who drinks is an alcoholic and all that other stuff, so don't take it personal.

Side: A Better Place
1 point

Nothing personal Jake but you're taking it to the extreme. I mean we found alcohol by accident. People enjoyed it and it developed into what it is today. Now who is to say that this isn't something that needs to be around for population control?

Side: It would be the same
1 point

"Less people would be homeless."

That's not a true statement. We would have the same number of homeless people. It's just that they will all be.... sober.

Side: A Better Place
JakeJ(3255) Disputed
1 point

The same exact number?, come on.

Usually when homeless people are asking for money its to go get beer. usually

Side: A Better Place

I'm with you on this one Jake. Don't let them railroad you on this. Stand your ground on the decription you wrote. It's a fine one and stands on its own!

I'm not really a drinker but have seen what it can do to people...and yes, you can become homeless, Joe. I've sat in on many an open A.A. meeting listening to people who have lost everything, including their homes, their wives who now have the right to live in that home without him and vice versa.

Side: A Better Place
0 points

Thanks it's nice to hear that.

Side: A Better Place
0 points

I've also heard of sex addicts who lose everything as well....i think what we should really focus on is addiction, not alcohol. Addiction is what causes this, not alcohol.

Side: It would be the same
0 points

You would be getting rid of one of the biggest parts of human history. And let me add that many alcoholic beverages, when taken responsibly, are actually healthy. If it wasn't alcohol, it would be something else. So I say the world would be the same but instead of alcohol it would be in some other form.

Side: It would be the same
JakeJ(3255) Disputed
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"If it wasn't alcohol, it would be something else."

Yeah I thought of that. That's why in the description I said: "(or any type of intoxicating drink)" Thats what I meant. That's not what this debate was to be about.

Please read the description.

Side: READ THE DESCRIPTION