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 What would your ideal society look like? (7)

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What would your ideal society look like?

If you could create a society of any kind, how would it be? What would differ from our society and what would stay the same?
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Lying would be illegal

Hate speech would land you in a re-education camp

UBI would be established

Everyone would have robot slaves

War would be ended forever

All drugs would be legal

It would be required by law for all jews to be put under surveillance

jews jews jews jews jews

All jew banks would be dismantled

excon is an insanely dishonest bag of jews

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There would be no religion or superstition.

It would be meritocratic and decisions would be made by engineers and "social scientists" rather than politicians and rich people.

Everyone would have to acknowledge me as their Dark Overlord or be exterminated.

We would gas the Jews, Muslims and christians along with homosexuals and the disabled.

Free speech would be allowed except for SJWs, science deniers, and people with opinions I don't like.

Fat people at beaches would be required by law to wear all their clothes, only hot chicks would be allowed to go topless (our current society is backwards, fat hairy men can go topless but not hot chicks...what kind of world is this?)

All female video game characters must be hot and have at least D cup sizes.

All bongos must be equipped with shock collars in case they get out of hand.

Animals would get equal rights, women and minorities would become the new animals.

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It would be DEMOCRATIC socialism ... of the people, by the people, for the people. Religions could live the way they want ... WITHIN the religion, as long as they followed societal rules of humanity. It would be a democracy rather than a republic, one person, one vote on ALL voting matters with a strict separation of church and state.

WinstonC(1225) Clarified
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"It would be a democracy rather than a republic"

Direct Democracies are republics, though I appreciate what you mean.

"one person, one vote on ALL voting matters with a strict separation of church and state."

I assume you would keep constitutional rights, but how would these constitutional rights be upheld? Further, do you see any potential for things to actually get worse under an ignorant civilian government whose passions can so easily be directed by ideologues and media?

"It would be DEMOCRATIC socialism"

Does this entail taking property from those that own the means of production?

AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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No, that's communistic socialism. The government would own some things that are not practical for people to own, The military, NASA, The National Park and Service, the FBI etc. Just like they do now. The people, with non-gerrymandered elections are not likely to elect an ignorant Government ... if everyone votes there is no advantage for "lobbying" so it would be difficult to impossible to be directed by ideologues. We have been a social democracy for years .. just not a REAL democracy. We wouldn't have an Electoral College if we were.

The founding fathers could not make us a democracy at that time, it would take a year, or at least an impractical amount of time to gather votes. Today we could do it by phone or computer, with protectors of course. I'm sure we could come up with a safe way.

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Liberal tyranny. Sjw haven.

Complete obedience to a nice, single, fascist ruler.

No crime.

No religion.

Society completely based on sientific evidence.

Police with good gear so the choice isn’t to kill a dangerous person.

Good food sources.

No immigration from other countries.

All children at the age of 17 have to join the military for 4 years. Everyone has a job.

Logically(191) Disputed
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By "ideal society", I don't think you can throw in positive attributes to your ideals to avoid thinking of ways to reach them.

Complete obedience to a nice, single, fascist ruler

How do you go about picking the leader? How do you know he'll stay nice? How do you establish complete obedience? You know, this is starting to look like N. Korea. Complete power in one person over a large body never works.

No crime

How would you achieve this? You're not a deity, you can't just will something and have it be done.

No religion

By banning religion? Please elaborate.

Society completely based on scientific evidence

As it should be.

Police with good gear so the choice isn't to kill a dangerous person

Wouldn't there not be dangerous people, since there's "no crime"?

No immigration from other countries

This implies you intend to undergo your citizens through some sort of stringent indoctrination of whatever ruler you have(effective brainwashing) that renders immigrants ineligible because they haven't been brainwashed properly, effectively recreating "1984".

All children at the age of 17 have to join the military for 4 years

Why 4 years? If they really don't want to, won't they be a hinderance rather than helpful? Unless, back to my previous point, you establish some hardcore form of brainwashing to create complete devotion to your leader and country; which is a crime against humanity.

Everyone has a job

How?

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People would be free to celebrate their beliefs or differences so long as they aren't to a detriment of others and no one belief or difference would be elevated over another. There would be no extremism, people could put their ego's aside and accept and help others if need be and we would focus more on improving ourselves as a whole instead of focusing solely on our personal stature. Children could safely play in the streets, education and academic achievement would be applauded as much as sports. We would work to live, not live to work.