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When You Have To Explain To Brontoraptor That The Nazis Were On The Far Right!

Lugenpresse

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But Mein Ice Cream

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I'll describe a guy. Tell me if he supports Bernie Sanders or Trump *

Let's see here. A man is walking down the street. Someone begins a conversation with him. He praises Islam, trashes Christianity and Jews, claims to be a Socialist, hates Capitalism, and wants a gun ban. Is he a Bernie Sanders' supporter or a Trump supporter?

Do tell.

If you want to know who the man in question is, click the link.

https://www.history.com/.image/ar16:9,cfill,cssrgb,flprogressive,gfaces:center,qauto:good,w_620/MTU3ODc4NTk4OTQ5NTQ1Mjg5/list-hitler-assassination-84358178-2-2.jpg

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Hootie(364) Disputed
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He praises Islam, trashes Christianity and Jews

But the fascists did the precise opposite of that, as I've explained four times already:-

After 1929, Mussolini, with his anti-Communist doctrines, convinced many Catholics to actively support him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BenitoMussolini

In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches prior to and in the early years of his rule, he described himself as a Christian.[10][11] Hitler and the Nazi party promoted "Positive Christianity",[12] a movement which rejected most traditional Christian doctrines such as the divinity of Jesus, as well as Jewish elements such as the Old Testament.[13][14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReligiousviewsofAdolf_Hitler

Again, this is an exact blueprint of your own stated beliefs. You have many times purported yourself to be a Christian who only believes in the New Testament.

Side: But Mein Ice Cream
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Again, this is an exact blueprint of your own stated beliefs

Except that in this case, those are the exact positions of Liberals and Conservatives both.

In the case of Hitler, my list of his beliefs are strictly leftist beliefs.

And mainly, you are ignoring my request to compare Hitler's views to the left and to Conservatives because I have you cornered with no escape.

Side: Lugenpresse
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You forgot the part where Hitler persecuted the church and used propaganda against the Catholic church.

You also forgot the part where it said he distanced himself from the church and began practicing ancient nordic religions.

Why did you do that buddy? Why did you lie again?

Side: Lugenpresse

Except that Fascism was created by Giovanni Gentile and fashioned after Communism.

Side: But Mein Ice Cream

Giovanni Gentile (Italian: [dʒoˈvanni dʒenˈtiːle]; 30 May 1875 – 15 April 1944) was an Italian[3][4] neo-Hegelian idealist philosopher, educator, and fascist politician. The self-styled "philosopher of Fascism"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Gentile

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Benedetto Croce wrote that Gentile "... holds the honor of having been the most rigorous neo-Hegelian in the entire history of Western philosophy and the dishonor of having been the official philosopher of Fascism in Italy."

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Gentile placed himself within the Hegelian tradition, but also sought to distance himself from those views he considered erroneous. He criticized Hegel's dialectic (of Idea-Nature-Spirit), and instead proposed that everything is Spirit, with the dialectic residing in the pure act of thinking. Gentile believed Marx's conception of the dialectic to be the fundamental flaw of his application to system making. To the neo-Hegelian Gentile, Marx had made the dialectic into an external object, and therefore had abstracted it by making it part of a material process of historical development.

Side: But Mein Ice Cream

Gentile, rather than believing the private to be swallowed synthetically within the public as Marx would have it in his objective dialectic, believed that public and private were a priori identified with each other in an active and subjective dialectic: one could not be subsumed fully into the other as they already are beforehand the same. In such a manner each is the other after their own fashion and from their respective, relative, and reciprocal, position. Yet both constitute the state itself and neither are free from it, nothing ever being truly free from it, the state (as in Hegel) existing as an eternal condition and not an objective, abstract collection of atomistic values and facts of the particulars about what is positively governing the people at any given time.

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Gentile notable works-

The philosophy of Marx (1899)

Hegelian controversy (1902)

The Rebirth of Idealism (1903)

On Current Idealism: Memories and Confessions (1913)

Reform of Hegelian Dialectics (1913)

Marxism of Benedict Croce (1918)

What is fascism (1925)

Fascist Culture (1926)

Fascism and Culture (1928)

The Philosophy of Fascism (1928)

Origins and Doctrine of Fascism (1929)

Origins and Doctrine of Fascism (1934)

Side: But Mein Ice Cream