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Soon! It will happen! It was never going to happen
Debate Score:13
Arguments:27
Total Votes:15
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When will the U.S. get "Tired of Winning"?

Trump assumed the Presidency on the back of innumerable claims of what he would do, when he would do it. Not least of which was that people would get "tired of winning".

Trump's legislative agenda has involved neither setting tone, nor policy detail and letting the same Republicans he railed against during the campaign set their own agenda and write their own laws with little of his involvement, culminating in a thus far spectacular failure of a healthcare bill; which is wildly unpopular

He has reversed on several key positions, and has ceased significantly pushing on others: seeming to simply be driven by achieving a "victory" where a victory is not doing what he said, but doing anything of note, which is odd considering he billed himself as the ultimate dealmaker.

He is taking credit for the economy left to him by Obama and remains unchanged due to no substantive economic policy or law changes; and has shirked responsibility when things go wrong, in military actions, legislative agenda, government and now absolved himself of responsibility of blame for any collapse to the US healthcare system under his watch.

So, given that he's had 6 months, for which he has nothing substantial to show other than a supreme court nominee, and a half implemented executive order that runs out in a few months. He's emboldening US enemies, and appears to be reducing the willingness of European allies to work with the U.S.

On top of this; many of his actions have been naive or even stupid; including actions that any one could tell would end up undermining his own position such as the firing of James Comey.

So the question is:

When will the U.S. "start winning" as boasted by Trump during the campaign?

Soon! It will happen!

Side Score: 7
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It was never going to happen

Side Score: 6
1 point

I could have chosen either side because I'm not too confident at the moment. We could have elected our last President, sad to say. Trump has only muddied the waters of the 'swamp" so you don't know WHAT is going to come out of it. He's filled it with Piranhas, alligators, snakes, and relatives! I'm expecting any day to hear he's sold us (The Art of the Deal), to his friend Putin for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. We have few allies, other than the Russians, Israel and the Saudi's ... strange bedfellows .... and an egotist in the White House! The doo-doo is getting as deep as the swamp, which has been dredged to hold larger creatures.

Putin is said to have $400 Billion. Wonder how much Trump thinks THIS real estate is worth????? He'd LOVE to be the second richest man in the world.

Side: Soon! It will happen!
2 points

He has? He elected none of the House and the Senate and can't get any of his team passed by the Democrats. Just more liberals throwing up hail mary's just for giggles.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/white-house-slams-senate-democrats-unprecedented-campaign-of-obstruction-against-trump-nominees/article/2628179

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article152487129.html

Side: It was never going to happen
1 point

Putin is said to have $400 Billion. Wonder how much Trump thinks THIS real estate is worth????? He'd LOVE to be the second richest man in the world.

As Hillary sold her soul and our uranium to the Russians and Bill sold our wealth and our soul to the Chinese, and Barack was making secret deals with the Russians which was caught on hot mic, and you didn't have nary a word to say... Those were proven. We are yet to see even a shred of evidence for this accusation, and you jumped on that wagon in a heartbeat. You are an ideologue. You are Tribalism at its worst.

Side: It was never going to happen
cownbueno(407) Disputed
1 point

Bronto man... I leave for months and you're still here, equally as stupid as when I left

Side: Soon! It will happen!
Ramshutu(226) Disputed
0 points

Bronto Lie Counter: #65

As Hillary sold her soul and our uranium to the Russians

This is a lie in any meaningful sense.

Bronto Lie Counter: #66

Bill sold our wealth and our soul to the Chinese

This is a lie in any meaningful sense.

Bronto Lie Counter: #67

Barack was making secret deals with the Russians which was caught on hot mic

This is a lie in any meaningful sense.

Bronto Lie Counter: #68

Those were proven

No: These are grotesquely distorted and overblown lies based on poor logic and hyperbolae based on foaming-at-the-mouth nut-jobbery.

4 Lies in 1 reply; that's your joint best so far!

Side: Soon! It will happen!
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

Why couldn't the Left pull off the election of Hillary ? Do you think Barack Obama had something to do with it ?

Side: Soon! It will happen!
1 point

Big bragging while offering little policy or plan.

Blame and finger pointing while also pandering to the rich and powerful and his own business interests.

Lock her up mantras while doing little more than obstructing justice himself.

An end to international agreements and deals while failing to secure any new agreements or deals.

Utter disregard for a free press while tweating lies and red herrings almost daily.

Make America Great Again while alienating everyone other than the original axis of evil nations who strangely enough love him.

Wake up America.

And it's not that shaking up the system was wrong, it's not that putting in an outsider is wrong, it's not that maintaining order is wrong. There were some good intentions by those of you who voted for him. It's that this man is a selfish liar who somehow snowed you and even turned you against the rest of us who almost desperately tried to get you to see he was a liar. And you wouldn't listen. And on top of that you gave a monopoly to his (current) party. So now they don't listen to anyone or anything. They've become the complete opposite of a government of the people by the people. You'll never win with that formula, unless winning for you is a return to old world authoritarianism.

Side: It was never going to happen
1 point

It was never going to happen that Hillary was going to win her own party through her under the bus for Barack Obama. Her own party knew she was not a winner but they thought they owned it to her in 2016 but again Barack dashed those hopes for her.

Side: It was never going to happen
Ramshutu(226) Disputed
1 point

Blaming Hillary is completely unrelated to anything raised in this debate.

Side: Soon! It will happen!
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

But Hillary was suppose to win and then you Leftist would not have anything to complain about for at least 5 minutes !

Side: Soon! It will happen!