I believe what the Bible says about how the earth was created. I don't believe in the Big Bang Theory and how the earth got created by itself. In order for the earth to be created there has to be a creator. We should accept the fact that in Genesis 1:1 That God made the heavens and the earth and trust what God told us in His Word.
345 days ago | Side: Christianity/ Holy Bible
Right on! Something can't come from nothing! That is where God comes around
341 days ago | Side: Christianity/ Holy Bible
Using your logic, then: Who/what created God?
341 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
No one created God He already existed before he created the universe
341 days ago | Side: Christianity/ Holy Bible
Something can't come from nothing! You can not hold this statement in only certain areas. So if something can't come from nothing, then God must have a creator, no?
341 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
I never said something can't come from nothing why did you bold that?
341 days ago | Side: Christianity/ Holy Bible
I was disputing KingK's argument, originally, and he used that argument...
341 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
Using your logic, then: Who/what created God? MasterKage(227) Ignoring what you were disputing, I want to explain who or what created God/gods. we all learn at elementary school that lines go on forever, they literally have no beginning or end. In other words, it has no point of origin( that it was never created) or end( it will never seize to exist). We know that the lines we draw in our books are just representations of something we cannot really see( just like how watches represent periods of time and the sun and stars and seasons do the same). we all accept that lines have no beginning or no end, but we are incapable of accepting an intelligent being who was never created. I think some of us have a control complex. Furthermore, since we grew up we see things come and go, they die essentially or deteriorate or whatever you want to call it. So it is even more difficult to believe in something that always existed and never stopped existing. But the reality of the situation is this: we willingly deny the existence of an all powerful being that always existed but we willingly accept the term infinity a number which never stops or lines which never stops moving. Finally I cannot believe in the big bang theory because an explosion cannot create order AT ALL!! I can put it this way. Say you were using a dictionary and someone came in and said that an explosion happened in a printing room and the ink fell into words which fell into alphabetical order which then fell on top of each other and then a spine fell on it- and Voila, thats what made that book we're reading today. You have to admit you would think that person is crazy.
336 days ago | Side: Christianity/ Holy Bible
we all accept that lines have no beginning or no end Do we now? Infinity can have a starting point and an ending point or just a known starting point. Just as there is an infinite amount of divisions we can make from point A to point B, or a vector can have an infinite magnitude yet stays anchored to a point in space, so we can have positive and negative infinity reaching from any arbitrarily determined point. Numbers are imaginary, infinity and zero for that matter are abstract concepts. but we are incapable of accepting an intelligent being who was never created. Incapable or skeptical? I'd never be as bold as to state that it was outside of all realms of possibility, but it is not necessary to invoke a creator, especially when there is nothing tangible to link it to. we willingly deny the existence of an all powerful being that always existed but we willingly accept the term infinity a number which never stops or lines which never stops moving You can, if you had the time, sit and count from one and not stop counting, this is a fact, logically you can't deny it's possible. You can't however show a being with a force that is unstoppable, an intellect that knows all, until we can make such observations, it can only be a hypothesis. Finally I cannot believe in the big bang theory because an explosion cannot create order AT ALL! You are referring to an explosion as the expansion of materials from an area of higher pressure to an area of lower pressure, this is not the type of explosion that is referred to by physicists when describing the big bang. Materials require matter, at the point of the singularity there was no matter, a sudden expansion of space-time "explosion" followed by the formation of the quark-gluon plasma from which matter was formed, there was no gravity, no time, no fundamental physical laws so the concept of an explosion as you highlight in your dictionary example is fallacious. You have to admit you would think that person is crazy. About as crazy as someone that tells me that the Universe has a creator, neither have anything with which to back up their claim.
335 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
Ignoring what you were disputing, I want to explain who or what created God/gods. we all learn at elementary school that lines go on forever, they literally have no beginning or end. In other words, it has no point of origin( that it was never created) or end( it will never seize to exist). We know that the lines we draw in our books are just representations of something we cannot really see( just like how watches represent periods of time and the sun and stars and seasons do the same). we all accept that lines have no beginning or no end Once again, I was originally disputing KingK's "somthing can not come of nothing" statement. That statement must be applied in all situations, no? Thus, according to him, God must have had a creator. we willingly deny the existence of an all powerful being that always existed but we willingly accept the term infinity a number which never stops or lines which never stops moving. Infinity refers to anything that does not have a limit. Finally I cannot believe in the big bang theory because an explosion cannot create order AT ALL!! The Big Bang isn't even an explosion. It was a rapid expansion in a extremely hot and dense state.
336 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
We don't believe God had a beginning. He is the Creator, we are his creation. So nobody made God, he already existed. He is the beginning and he is the end.
165 days ago | Side: Christianity/ Holy Bible
But his word is full of contradiction, how can I be sure that what he's telling me is right? I mean, I fully adhere to the bible myself, but I get confused, can you explain to me how plants can survive days without light, and why I don't have to set fire to livestock anymore when I give my neighbor the stink eye. Far be it from me to judge the will of the almighty, cause he loved man so much that he decided to flood the earth for a year, and kill possibly millions including children, the elderly and the mentally retarded, but in his infinite wisdom decided to ask an old coffin dodger to alone hand build a wooden boat of the dimensions never before or again seen by man to house billions of animals for an entire year, it's cool that all the oxygen requiring plants lived under there too and that all the displaced sea creatures just found their way home. Yay God!
344 days ago | Side: Christianity/ Holy Bible
But his word is full of contradiction, how can I be sure that what he's telling me is right? Nope His word is not full of contradictions. Archaeologists confirmed that the Bible isn't contradictory because they found places that were mentioned in the Bible and found coins bearing King Herod's name and also other artifacts that relate to the Bible. I mean, I fully adhere to the bible myself, but I get confused, can you explain to me how plants can survive days without light, and why I don't have to set fire to livestock anymore when I give my neighbor the stink eye. God made the earth but the earth was formless and then he put in light and separated it from day and night and then created everything else with it. Far be it from me to judge the will of the almighty, cause he loved man so much that he decided to flood the earth for a year, and kill possibly millions including children, the elderly and the mentally retarded, but in his infinite wisdom decided to ask an old coffin dodger to alone hand build a wooden boat of the dimensions never before or again seen by man to house billions of animals for an entire year, it's cool that all the oxygen requiring plants lived under there too and that all the displaced sea creatures just found their way home. You mustn't read Genesis about why God decided to flood the earth. God flooded the earth because many wicked people were on this earth and Noah was the only righteous man and his family. Noah didn't take 2 of each and every single animal to the ark. He took most of the little animals ( 1 male and 1 female) to go to ark.
335 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
Nope His word is not full of contradictions. Yep it is. Archaeologists confirmed that the Bible isn't contradictory because they found places that were mentioned in the Bible and found coins bearing King Herod's name and also other artifacts that relate to the Bible. Whoever said that places and names from the bible are fake? I'd like to know which archaeological discoveries confirm the great flood, or any of the miraculous stories in the Bible, how about some evidence that Jesus was actually a real person. God made the earth but the earth was formless and then he put in light and separated it from day and night and then created everything else with it. And the light came from where? You mustn't read Genesis about why God decided to flood the earth. Why not? God flooded the earth because many wicked people were on this earth and Noah was the only righteous man and his family. Why were there wicked people? How did they become wicked? Can Children and the mentally retarded be considered wicked? He took most of the little animals ( 1 male and 1 female) to go to ark. Yea, this makes sense, because Elephants and Giraffes are known for their ability to swim in great never-ending oceans without food or fresh water for years at a time, right? One male and one female of each, what about food for predators, what did the lions eat?
334 days ago | Side: Christianity/ Holy Bible
Does something come from nothing? Even if you believe the big bang theory, in order for the theory to work, you will have to accept that space was already self-existent. Matter occupies space, and particles such as protons, neutrons, and electrons would also have to exist in order for the big bang to work. So given this who created space? And those particles? God!
341 days ago | Side: Christianity/ Holy Bible
Does something come from nothing? Nobody knows, and nobody that knows what they are talking about says it does. in order for the theory to work, you will have to accept that space was already self-existent The theory teaches that space began in the singularity, not the other way around, space and time are co-dependent, and do not exist without each other, so at t=0 space does not exist. Matter occupies space Not always, what then is a vacuum. , and particles such as protons, neutrons, and electrons would also have to exist in order for the big bang to work. How so? So given this who created space? Why does it have to be who? God! Where did he come from? How did he do it? What is he made of? Can something that exists outside of space and time create space and time? If he created space then he created time at the same time and is thus subject to the laws of space time. How can you offer a hypothesis with such strong conviction without means to at least draw some form of mathematical conclusion?
335 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
This argument on science versus religion has not yet been adequately evaluated. Although science and religion clash in its various forms and stories (theories), science and religion can coexist and have done so for thousands of years. Sme of sciences greatest minds including Galileo and Copernicus were deeply religious people. I agree with one of galileos statements where he basically states that science is wonderful because it shows off gods greatest creations. I do believe in the bible and am Mormon Myself.
333 days ago | Side: Christianity/ Holy Bible
344 days ago | Side: Christianity/ Holy Bible
That is neither a description of The Big Bang theory or Atheism
344 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
If you're looking for real descriptions of things, your at the wrong debate. as you can see many people on the other side aren't really taking this seriously.
344 days ago | Side: Christianity/ Holy Bible
I wasn't either, hence my pictorial response .
344 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
Christianity: The belief that there was a super wizard dude who came from nothing, who made nothing magically explode for no reason, creating everything, which he arranged into complex life forms, who say there complexity requires creation, while at the same point forgetting that their deity is infinitely more complex. Most of us either admit to having no idea about the origins of the universe, or go with the most likely option that there was no "start" to the universe, as time only exists within our universe.
344 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
please, get out of the stone age. It has been proven that the universe has a start. Atheists used this age old excuse for centuries before the big bang was conceived. Accept it.
321 days ago | Side: Christianity/ Holy Bible
Has it? How? Go on, demonstrate this instead of merely asserting it in a condescending fashion.
321 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
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This should be a Creationism V Big Bang Theory debate, not Christianity V Big Bang Theory, because they aren't mutually exclusive. And yes, I believe in the Big Bang Theory over Christianity, as it has logical evidence supporting it. Christianity does not.
344 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
Well, you can't really have an actual debate. One is a belief system, the other is based on scientific evidence and research. It's like trying to prove Santa Clause vs Thomas Jefferson. It's clear which one is true, but some people still believe anyways.
344 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
I don't actually believe in either. I know that there is a lot of evidence for the Big Bang Theory but I find it so difficult to believe that the entire world came from nothing. I am aware how this is probably the most likely cause, but there are some things that the Big Bang theory does not explain, such as why particles actually exist. Causing a big explosion is one thing, but there are several other unanswered questions that neither theory can really explain. Therefore I have accepted that I do not know how the universe was created.
341 days ago | Side: Christianity/ Holy Bible
Huh? How in the world can you say that? There is no belief behind a theory. You simply need to do more research. I mean, obviously a person can't know what the "big bang" is just from hearing about the name and a few details about how it was an explosion before time that made everything. There is a LOT of math and physics behind it. I mean, people predicted black holes AGES before we actually saw any. The Big Bang is a well explained theory with a lot of evidence, and a lot of ideas on how it could have started without a god or magic or anything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs-yWMuBNr4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePkPYA4AQ3o&feature;=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-jQUHUF1MU&feature;=related Of course, without going back in time, it's impossible to actually see it, but based on evidence that exists today, we can piece together clues. If you want to try to have a decent understanding of how and why the universe exists, I would shift my brain in "80% acceptance" of the Big Bang, with room to learn and understand new concepts as more evidence is discovered. - Just on August 5th, we're sending a new probe to Mars, which will likely check to see if Mars has life on it. That would change a lot about what we know, giving even more clues about the universe. Perhaps unrelated to the Big Bang, but every bit of evidence helps.
341 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
To start with, this is all my personal belief and opinion. - I don't know if you read my debate. I didn't say that the Big Bang theory was wrong, at all. I didn't even imply that (if I did, it wasn't intentional)! All I said was that there "are things the Big Bang doesn't explain". I am not opposed to the Big Bang theory at all, in fact. I said: "I am aware this is the most likely cause", and "I know there is a lot of evidence for the Big Bang" The only thing I really said against it was that I found it hard to believe and that there are some things it doesn't explain: "I find it difficult to believe". - I find it difficult to believe in.
341 days ago | Side: Christianity/ Holy Bible
Okie dokie then. What does it not explain? Because the Big Bang explains exactly what it's supposed to explain. The Big Bang doesn't explain love or life. That's what psychology and biology is for.
341 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
The Big Bang has more scientific evidence, and facts that support it. I mean really, what are you going to believe? A 2,000 year-old book, or scientific evidence?
344 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
Christians can believe in the big bang theory as well as atheists, and atheists don't have to believe in the big bang theory. Right, so, evidence for the big bang. Hopefully you paid attention in high school science classes! So, there's this thing called the doppler effect. The doppler effect is the perceived change in frequency caused by a wave emitter moving towards or away from the observer. When the emitter is moving towards you, the frequency of the waves becomes higher due to compression, and when the emitter is moving away from you, the frequency becomes lower, as the waves are being stretched out. We can observe the light coming from our sun, and map on the visible light spectrum which segments are blocked by hydrogen particles in the sun. When we look at the same light coming from distant stars, we see that the light is what we call red shifted which means the frequency of the light being emitted by the stars is lower than it was when it left the stars. We know from this that everything is moving away from us, meaning that the universe is expanding. We can also observe that, the further away a star is, the more the light is red shifted. This means that the further away something is, the faster it is moving away from us, showing further proof for an expanding universe. We know, thanks to the BVG theorem, that if the universe had a rate of expansion at any point greater than one, the expansion must have had a beginning. This beginning stems from what we call a singularity, which is something we have almost no understanding of. We have also observed what is called cosmic background microwave radiation, which is everywhere. The only current explanation for the random energy dissipating throughout the entire universe is that it is left over energy from the original expansion seen in the big bang. So, what evidence do you have for a static creation?
344 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
Don't forget the fact that all the galaxies are moving away from ours. In several billion years, in the spot that the Earth is in now (within the Milky Way), you could look in all directions and it would be impossible to see another galaxy. A citizen in an artificial planet of the future (Earth would be incinerated by the Sun by then) would only know that other galaxies existed because of ancient books describing their movement. It might sound biblical, but no, there would also be plenty of photographic proof of galaxies as well.
344 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
I'm in my last year of highschool, I remember my teacher explaining to us in year 7 that the adam and eve story was just a way of explaining how everthing was made and that not many people still believed the story. But if one part of the bible was just a story, how do we know the rest isn't as well? Science is based on fact and proof, its not an opinion or belief, whether you choose to believe it is your opinion.
343 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
In addition to substantial evidence, it also is pretty logically sound. My biggest concern about it cannot be answered yet, so I'll wait to see if we change the Big Bang Theory a wee bit or of we gain new information and comprehension of it's exception. Either which science will do in time. That's what is awesome about science, it's self-correcting.
321 days ago | Side: Big Bang Theory
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