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Which do you have, eternal life or eternal death?

Are you dying and on your way to Hell or are you living and on your way to Heaven?Β  Do you have eternal life or eternal damnation in Hell fire?

It's one of the other, you can fool yourself temporarily.

Living forever

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Dying forever

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2 points

I have eternal life through Jesus Christ my Lord

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By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all

every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices .. which can never take away sins

but he .. having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time .. sat down at the right hand of God .... Hebrews 10:11-12

Side: Living forever
Beastt(43) Disputed Banned
2 points

I should first point out that posting Bible verses is not support for any debate. That's the claim, not the support for the claim. There is no evidence whatsoever for the concept of eternal life. In fact, biology defines life as a set of six specific traits (homeostasis, growth, reaction to stimuli, the ability to reproduce, metabolism, and the ability to adapt to one's environment). We should note that several of these traits are chemical in nature. And chemistry can't take place without a physical body. So the actual concept suggested in religion is consciousness devoid of the physical mind from which consciousness arises (through the intercommunication of multiple processing centers in the brain). So again, no physical brain - no consciousness.

What the religious have are a series of stories taught by men - nearly always from a time of great ignorance, when having the most popular story meant most people believed the story you had to tell.

As for the suggestion of eternal life through Jesus Christ, no one has yet produced even a single artifact or writing from the Biblical time of Jesus, which supports his existence, or (in the case of writings), even mentions him. Nor do we have any documents mentioning so much as ONE significant event of the New Testament, from the biblical time of Jesus. So the pertinent and rational question would be; if Jesus was causing such unrest and controversy, and performing such amazing miracles, and so many miraculous things occurred in connection with him; why is it that despite having extant military records, military dispatches back to Rome, writings from historians of the day, records from Herod's court, writings from the Temple, and even private writings from Temple Priests, do we have not a single mention of Jesus or of any significant event of the New Testament? Why do ALL of the stories in your Bible, come from non-witnesses writing decades after the supposed events? It leaves the entire world-view of Christianity without a leg to stand on.

Side: Dying forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

The topic here is "do you have eternal iife, or eternal death?". What are you trying to prove? You are trying to prove that you have eternal death and cannot end up dying in Hell forever. Keep on trying if you want to.......you will wake up in Hell.

The drivel you write is just plain boring to a person like me. If you wrote many best selling books with the kind of stuff you obviously think is supposed to be impressive, I would not read one page of any of them...it's nonsense.

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

The topic here is "do you have eternal iife, or eternal death?". What are you trying to prove? You are trying to prove that you have eternal death and cannot end up dying in Hell forever. Keep on trying if you want to.......you will wake up in Hell.

The drivel you write is just plain boring to a person like me. If you wrote many best selling books with the kind of stuff you obviously think is supposed to be impressive, I would not read one page of any of them...it's nonsense.

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

Let me sum up your remarks for you, since you seem to have a problem being honest and are trying to hide your answer to the OP question:

Beast: "All I have is dying, I am losing everything, and the evidence shows that it's forever."

Correct. You have eternal dying. Thank you for your elaborate answer.

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

Why is it that you think death exonerates you so that you are exempt from eternal damnation in the fire of Hell?

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

You're making a fool out of yourself. You have one foot in the grave and the other on thin ice melting over the fire of Hell and you think you have the right to exist outside of Hell when dying proves you have no rights at all. All you have is eternal dying, and trying to destroy the only One who can save you is not very bright.

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
0 points

This is reality 101. in your religion, you believe you are exonerated in death and exempt from Hell; though of course your religion of denial declares you need no exoneration and Hell cannot be real. You are not living in reality. In reality, all you have is dying and you are losing everything including your nonsensical argument against God. Keep it up until you are blue in the face and see if you get to exist outside of Hell forever or if you are eternally dying as you are now. The evidence indicates you always have been dying and always will be dying..........unless you get saved.

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

Amen .

Side: Living forever
Atrag(5123) Clarified
1 point

Can you explain how someone can sit down at the right side of his self?

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

........I'll take this one since Dadman is slow responding and I don't like seeing it sit here unanswered.

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. God is three persons in One. The Son, sent by the Father, conquered death to redeem creation and all who believe on Him from the curse of sin and death. He lives in those who believe on Him and receive Him by faith as the Holy Spirit which is God, Christ in His children who are born of His spirit when they repent of their sins, believe on Jesus, and in Jesus name ask God's forgiveness and receive Him by faith as their Savior. The Creator became the Savior, this is how He justifies forgiving those who believe on Him while holding in eternal damnation all who stand in their pride refusing to admit they deserve the punishment of sin; which punishment is eternal damnation in Hell's fire.

Side: Living forever
ldiot(18) Banned
1 point

If live forever that fucker boy god can't ever catch me HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA IF CANNOT CATCH ME TO PUT IN THE HELL THEN I CAN DO THE SIN SCOT-FREE BOIIIIII

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
2 points

I know better than to read anything from somebody who calls himself "idiot".

The boot for you, and a piece of advice...try not to let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

Side: Living forever
1 point

"Eternal" punishments and rewards are too convenient and binary to be true. For one who claims to 'preach' truth, you sure are a bit too dimwitted.

There's just one thing I don't quite understand - debating in a manner derogatory to your own side, what is it that you hope for? Are you perhaps overly dedicated on a parody on a religion? Or, as you say, you have really managed to hope that such actions can earn you a reward?

Of course, as always, I'm going to be banned with an irrelevant reply that you'd hope to turn out rather provocative, but you'll miserably fail at that. Unless you managed to think something this time, in which case, do surprise me.

PS : Refrain from trying to use your imaginary tortures in your speech against me, and as much of other people as possible. As I believe you now understand, it isn't a one-sided game to play (even though I find it repulsive how you couldn't guess it by yourself and went crying on me for weeks with miserable attempts at being melodramatic). I'll cease those as well - but I assure you, if you decide to not comply this time as well, I won't be putting up the offer another time.

It's just boring to have the guy threatening everyone on eternal totures to act all hurt on me. I'll take the absense of a reply as denial - but you'll have sufficient time to craft an excellent reply, so don't worry about that.

I didn't intend to be harsh, but after seeing your comments, it becomes harder to hold back. Especially since our conversations are more special than your general ones (in our trying to hold back. Don't worry about me, though - I won't act hurt no matter what you say).

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
0 points

You are not welcome in my discussions because of the serious threats you made against me and many other people.

Side: Living forever
Beastt(43) Disputed Banned
1 point

I'm not aware of the history and to have full support it would be necessary that I have that. However, from what little I have seen, one might suggest that the true issue is that your faith has been called into question, and having no means by which to support your beliefs, status as a site moderator has been brought into play without appropriate cause.

As for threats, I find him to have been correct. Christianity claims to offer "salvation", but describes only "extortion". If a mugger puts a gun to your head and makes demands, explaining that only by complying with your demands can you escape the threat of his gun, that is extortion by definition. If you are subjected to the threat of Hell and told that only by complying with demands can you escape that threat, then you are again, the victim of extortion. Salvation is when you rescue someone from a peril unconditionally, and didn't intentionally place them in that peril in order to extract from them what they would not choose to give freely.

Since the idea of eternal life is predicated upon this described condition of extortion, and since the Bible also claims that God is "forgiving" but demanded that someone accept punishment, it should be obvious that this is also a falsehood. If punishment is administered, then forgiveness has not been granted. If we are traveling together, and you receive a speeding ticket, when I pay the fine for you, the fine has NOT been "forgiven".

So I'm offering but two examples of where the Bible makes claims which are contradicted by it's descriptions. With that in mind, why would it be appropriate to accept the Bible's claim of eternal life, when there is no evidence whatsoever that eternal life is even possible, and sufficient evidence that the Bible is wrong, and misrepresenting the concepts it presents?

Side: Dying forever
AlofRI(1794) Banned
2 points

We live. We do our thing. We die. The story of life. The end is death for all of us. Same with a tree, a fish, a dog, etc.. Believing in an afterlife is helpful, if you can do it I'm sure it will make you feel better. I'm just happy that I've lived longer than many, but, when it ends, it ends. No heaven or hell. I've enjoyed my time here .. most of it ... I feel bad for those who couldn't.

Side: Dying forever
dadman(1466) Disputed
2 points

Hebrews 9:27 .. and inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

So you are dying forever and you believe or you hope or you claim to know that your dying ends outside of Hell. Thank you for clarifying that.

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

Sounds to me like you are bitter.......you always seem bitter with me, wanting to get out of reality in death.

Side: Living forever
AlofRI(1794) Clarified Banned
1 point

Nah, I don't WANT to get out of reality. I would LOVE to hang around another 50 or more "healthy years". :-)

I would never say you don't have a right to your own bitter opinion, though. :-(

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

Can you prove that death is the end for you, and it is not an ongoing eternal state of dying, the same as you are dying here but in a different place where dying never ends?

Side: Living forever
AlofRI(1794) Clarified Banned
1 point

No, no more than you can prove you will have everlasting life. The writings of some ancient journalist/goat herder prove nothing, (nor do the ramblings of a self appointed "saint").

IF, however, the BIG GUY would show up and give me reason to believe, well..... He (allegedly) showed up about 6000 years ago, but, no proof. Looks like mythology to me. S/HE/IT owes us more than a myth.

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

Sounds to me like you are telling the story of death; dying.

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

Anybody here who shows the tiniest sign that they are listening will not be banned. You show no sign of listening, you just want to blow your stinking horn as loud as you can proclaiming how great you are. You're offensive and you are a fool. Take it somewhere else and blow it until you are blue in the face and see where it gets you; that's what you want to do so do it old man.

Side: Living forever
0 points

My observation is that nothing in life is eternal and I have no evidence to suggest that death is anything other than infinite.

Side: Dying forever
Quantumhead(896) Disputed
5 points

My observation is that nothing in life is eternal

Really? Wow. The view must be pretty good from your mom's basement.

Do you still have the place decorated with Hitler memorabilia?

Here, have a free education:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis dohrnii

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

You should just stay out of my discussions. I quit reading your stuff a long time ago. If you like having your face full of dirt, potty mouth, just read your own stuff and go look in the mirror.

You stink. You need to be saved from Hell.

Side: Living forever
1 point

Antrim i'm kinda stepping out here but i will let you know what it's like on the other side from my casket with my I-Pad. Now that is as far as i am willing to go on that lol.

Side: Dying forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

sometimes deceiving spirits pretend to be a person who was lost in death, talking to those left behind from some spirit realm.....if Antrim gets a message from something pretending to be you, I hope he does not believe it.

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Disputed
1 point

Thank you for your decent comments, and please don't take my response as unkind. I hope the best for you.

The things you have done are done forever, and that is eternal. It's history, it's on record forever. You will give account of yourself to God if you believe it or not. You are not getting out of being you in death.

One thing you said correctly, there is no evidence to suggest that death is anything other than infinite. You are in death now, dying, and it is infinite. You need infinite life or you will have infinite death now and forever, here or in the fire of Hell. You don't have to believe it, you don't have to insult me because I believe it, you don't have to be profane or vulgar as if such behavior proves God does not care what you do......

I hope the best for you.

Side: Living forever
-1 points

See your other 50 or so debates on exactly the same topic.

Side: Dying forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

I like to think that if I say it the right way at the right time, somebody will get it and realize that they need to be and can be saved, and get saved.

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

It's a topic well worth considering, that is why I get so many responses with it....and that is why I do it; in spite of all the vicious and dirty attacks thrown at me... I know where I'm going and I want to see you there.

Side: Living forever
-2 points
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

Well, it sounds like you are open to reason except for the vulgarity at the end. Was that necessary? I'll let you get away with it this time. If you want to discuss the topic with me here, please refrain from profanities/vulgarities/expletives and slang words used in their place.

So you think it would be unjust of God to leave a sinner in the fire of Hell forever? Was it just that His Son had to die for your sins? Of course not; that is why death could not hold Him in the ground. Is He not just to condemn you if you will not believe He took your place to secure your pardon? Is He not just to condemn you if you will not concede that you deserve the punishment He took for you? And why should your punishment end when He took your punishment in full and did not deserve it? Is He not just to hold you in condemnation when you think what He did for you is unimportant? Would He be unjust to forgive me who has pled for mercy acknowledging my guilt and worthiness of death and whatever punishment God's deems appropriate, even the fire of Hell forever? I know that I deserve to be in that fire forever, I know what I have done and it can't be undone.......but He took my place, He took my punishment and I found He is true to His word offering forgiveness to all who will admit their unrighteousness, believe from their hearts that God has raised Him from the dead after He died for their sins, and in His name call on God to have mercy and forgive them...and by faith to receive Jesus who is God the Savior into their hearts as His throne.........is He unjust to leave in Hell those who deny and defy Him while by His life He justifies me for eternal life?

In that He died for me, He is justified to keep me in life, as He is risen from the dead so I am risen with Him and death loses it's sting against me......I know that I have eternal life, I know I will have a new body like His resurrected body, and this corrupted rotting body will be raised, changed, renewed.

I want you to know God's forgiveness for real for yourself, for God's honor and glory. I want you to go to heaven and we will have plenty of time in eternity to enjoy everything there....showing God's goodness and glory, greatness and honor for creating us and giving Himself for us to save us from what we deserve.

So it is important to you to not accept things you do not deserve. That sounds fair....why should you take the fall when you are not guilty? So you do not deserve to die, and you do not accept death as justice? Do you deserve to live forever? Will God provide eternal life for you because you deserve it? If you deserve it, why do you have to die? Is it fair? Is it justice? Are you guilty of breaking God's law? Are you righteous? Is God unrighteous?

Do you deserve to stand in God's presence? With all of the things you have done testifying to your unrighteousness in God's sight? Do you not deserve to lose everything you think of as good?

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

You have a runny mouth problem .

Side: Living forever
Amarel(2264) Clarified
-1 points

So you think it would be unjust of God to leave a sinner in the fire of Hell forever?

On the contrary. If hell is deserved, then justice demands hell. If God is Just, then hell is where anyone who deserves it will go. You have repeatedly stated that hell is what you and we all deserve, hence the meaning of my foul language. If hell is what we all deserve, then by the rule of the Just God, hell is what we will all get.

If you deserve hell and do not go there, then God is not Just.

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

You are one of the few here who has earned a little respect from me because I know you have listened....and now you show you are still seeking veracity of truth to stand on and I wholeheartedly hope you find it......

Side: Living forever
Dermot(3653) Disputed
2 points

Hmmmm , you hope he finds ' truth ' ?

I bet that's once it's your truth πŸ‘Œβ˜ΊοΈ

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

I've carefully directed many posts and responses directly for you because I care about you and I want you to go to Heaven. There's only one way, and that is the way God made for you. you're trying to go a way that is against Him, a way that is in defiance of Him...a way in which you think God owes you something when He owes you nothing, never has, and never will. If your just going to sum up my efforts with a few insults, why don't you do us both a favor and quit reading my posts? It's not easy for me to stop trying to get you to see the Light of the world is Jesus. It's probably better for me to just leave you behind and set my bait in waters where the fish are more likely to bite.

Side: Living forever
NowASaint(1274) Clarified
1 point

What do you think God is ?

Side: Living forever