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Communism Fascism
Debate Score:51
Arguments:44
Total Votes:75
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 Communism (15)
 
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Which extreme is more preferable?

Communism

Side Score: 29
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Fascism

Side Score: 22
Amarel(4987) Banned
1 point

Fascism and Communism are not opposite extremes. They are the same evil of State Slavery. They are both totalitarian. Their opposite, Liberty, leads to Capitalism as a natural result.

Side: Communism
2 points

Fascism and Communism are not opposite extremes. They are the same evil of State Slavery.

Oh God you IGNORANT IMBECILE. How about you actually READ some Karl Marx before commenting on his theories, you goddamned far right idiot.

"Withering away of the state" is a Marxist concept coined by Friedrich Engels referring to the idea that, with realization of the ideals of socialism, the social institution of a state will eventually become obsolete and disappear, as the society will be able to govern itself without the state and its coercive enforcement of the law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witheringawayofthestate

The entire point of Communism is to get rid of the state. The state which is there right now, enslaving you. And you seem to think you want the state to enslave you so that you don't get enslaved by the state!!!!!! It's fucking retarded and you are delusional.

Side: Fascism
Mingiwuwu(1481) Clarified
0 points

Are you familiar with 'Social Democracy' if so why do you identify as right of that?

Side: Communism
1 point

Well of course COMMIES are needed to try and perfect a failed state !!!!!!!!!! And the Socialist say they oppose COMMIES now that is a JOKE !!!!!!!!

Side: Communism
1 point

Provided nobody takes over and turns it into fascism, I think communism would be better. I don't mind sacrificing speculative efficiency or 'progress' for a lifestyle everyone can enjoy without the threat of not having basic needs of food, water and shelter being met following failure.

That's not to say fascism would be awful. Fascism could be perfect with the right person and their management. I think the main problem is that even with the right people, they eventually die and another takes their place.

Side: Communism
Mingiwuwu(1481) Disputed
1 point

You're wrong, I'd be happy to explain why but if you're only here for a post and no argument then fair enough.

Side: Fascism
1 point

Sorry I'm late, haven't checked CD in a while. I'd be interested in hearing your take if you're still willing.

Side: Fascism

Communism and Capitalism would be opposing opposites. The only Communism that has actually existed is not true Marxism - it’s basically one big monopoly fascism with one big corporation (the State). The Fascist Nazis still allowed some free market capitalism.

Side: Fascism
0 points

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Fascism. It's a revolutionary ideology providing us with an alternative to late era Capitalism of corporate tyranny, hedonism, materialism, greed, declining social mobility, and so forth. It's also an alternative to the unrealistic nature, economic inefficiency, and blood caused by Communism.

Fascism is the best hope for the survival and continuation of America and the American dream. It recognizes how outdated liberal democracy is, which is fueled by the collapse of morality, education, and religion.

Side: Fascism
-1 points

In Communist regimes you get killed off at any time no matter what you do.

In Fascist regimes you tend to be able to know when you'll get killed, the 'how' is usually the unwarned part.

Side: Fascism
2 points

In Communist regimes you get killed off at any time no matter what you do.

Do you want to talk about capitalist regimes? How about Guatemala or El Salvador in the 1980s? Places where roving military death squads were literally picking people up off the streets and executing them?

Shut the fuck up about Communism, you Cold War moron.

Side: Communism
1 point

In Communist regimes you get killed off at any time no matter what you do.

You mean in Moaist/Lenninist/Stalinist regimes etc. right? You do realize there has never once been an orthodox Marxist "regime" right? The Communism you are referring to is actually just another form of fascism, because actual Marxist Communism (which to this day only exists in theory) calls for production to be controlled by the producers, whereas the communism you're talking about is the exact opposite and production is controlled by the state.

You are arguing against fascism in favour of fascism, nice move Mingi.

Also, you have sided with the far right in this instance and have admitted that you agree with Hitlery about everything. Hillary is an American democrat, which makes you center-right in most cases. You are a conservative capitalist dick head and not a true leftist. A true leftist would side with the extreme left over the extreme right, and be able to tell the difference between Marxism and a totalitarian fascist regime using Marxist talking points to win over the masses and over throw the current power structure just to install an even more fascist one.

Side: Communism
Mingiwuwu(1481) Disputed
0 points

Between these two regimes, the fascist is the better one. I support neither.

Side: Fascism
Amarel(4987) Clarified Banned
0 points

You do realize there has never once been an orthodox Marxist "regime" right? The Communism you are referring to is actually just another form of fascism, because actual Marxist Communism (which to this day only exists in theory) calls for production to be controlled by the producers

Marx called for despotism in the Communist Manifesto. In no uncertain terms, Marx called for “Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State” as well as the centralization of most everything else. Marx was a totalitarian, and all the failed Marxist experiments have been true to his bullshit theory. I know you’ll call me a liar, so I will link to the manifesto itself. Try reading pig.

The only aspect of his theory that has never existed is the Utopia he falsely claims is the end goal.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm

Side: Communism