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Allow me to quickly establish myself as a christian that is not a gay-hater.
The bible does state that being gay is a sin.
The bible also states that you should not lie, and who hasn't lied before?
The bible also states that you should not even think about doing anything bad to anyone else, Like I am right now about you. And you probably can't tell me honestly you've never wanted to give someone a knuckle sandwich.
The bible also states that I was forgiven for me thinking about giving you a good beating.
The bible is not a rule book, it is a (non fictional) story with morals. a LOT of good morals.
And I would be breaking more "rules" than I would be following if I went over a roasted the next gay guy I saw.
That was in the Old Testament, Christians follow the teachings of Christ which is the New Testament, the part of the New Testament that some Christians use is the book of Paul and is a mistranslation. The book of Paul was written in Ancient Greek the word he used (I cant remember the exact Greek words but a quick Google search'll sort that for you) did not meen Homosexual but unmanlike in Ancient Greek they had a different word meening Homosexual which is not used in the New Testament. Ergo Homosexuality is not deemed wrong by the New Testament and Christian Homophobia is based on a mistake in translation.
They didn't use the word homosexuality, they just said "If a man lies with a man as a man lies with a woman, it is an abomination." The verses before that also said that if a man lies with his own mother, it is an abomination, so this verse trails on after with the same context of who you should, and should not have sex with.
And saying it was in the OT does not justify anything. What was said was said, and that which was said is discriminatory and ungodlike.
Your correct in that it is discriminatory but you were debating with a Christian, the OT which you are quoting from does'nt apply, Christians follow the teachings of Christ which is the NT (the clues in the name)
I think you'll find that tailoring the debate for the person your debating is pretty important, you quote the OT to a Christian to support your argument all he's gotta say is I agree but these are not my belief's i'm a Christian and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ in the NT, bang you've lost the argument.
I have'nt chosen to be ignorant of any religion, in fact I am trying to learn as much as possible about different releigions as I believe this can be a great insight into people, from learning comes knowledge.
You saying that a Christian who chooses to follow the teachings of Christ and the NT only has chosen to be ignorant of the OT is like saying an Atheist has chosen to be ignorant of all religion.
I have'nt chosen to be ignorant of any religion, in fact I am trying to learn as much as possible about different releigions as I believe this can be a great insight into people, from learning comes knowledge.
You saying that a Christian who chooses to follow the teachings of Christ and the NT only has chosen to be ignorant of the OT is like saying an Atheist has chosen to be ignorant of all religion.
Religion is supposed to be an absolute. If part of the scriptures are left intentionally discarded, then all of it must. The OT has all of the main things that make up your religion, including the creation, the commandments, how Jesus came to be...
The new testament would cease to exist without the old testament. It is basically a sequel. Would you read the second book of a series and ignore the first one? Hell no. The first one introduces you to the plot, and the origins of the characters. So why ignore it? I thought you would have enough logic in your head to understand how broken this sounds. How broken the OT sounds, and how broken it is to choose to ignore what it says.
There is a connection between the OT and the NT but to say you would'nt have one without the other is ridiculous. The NT can be read as a standalone book and it is sold this way and many people have only read the NT.
Whats all this stuff about the OT making up the basis of my Religion, not once have I mentioned my what my beliefs are, I would have thought you had enough intelligence not to make assumptions about people
There is a connection between the OT and the NT but to say you would'nt have one without the other is ridiculous. The NT can be read as a standalone book and it is sold this way and many people have only read the NT.
Old one contains Jesus. New one contains Jesus. Which book came first? Hmm, let's see...
The old one. The original one. Who knows what the humans made up after the old one. What we do know is that the first of a series is the most original and trustworthy.
Whats all this stuff about the OT making up the basis of my Religion, not once have I mentioned my what my beliefs are, I would have thought you had enough intelligence not to make assumptions about people
So, you follow the bible and you don't believe that God created the Earth and the Heavens, and that Moses never existed, nor did he have the Ten Commandments...
That's a very perfect belief system you have there. Definitely better than any other possible religion in existence...
The OT contains phrophesies of Jesus, Jesus does'nt actually make an appearance until the NT and he says himself that Christians are to follow his teachings eg the NT, the OT was meant to be to Christians a guide not a strict set of rules their rules are laid down by Christ in the NT.
You know nothing about my beliefs as I have never mentioned them, you have assumed I am a Christian because I have some knowledge of and have read the Bible, you should never base arguments on your own assumptions you'll end up making mistakes and looking foolish.
The OT contains phrophesies of Jesus, Jesus does'nt actually make an appearance until the NT and he says himself that Christians are to follow his teachings eg the NT, the OT was meant to be to Christians a guide not a strict set of rules their rules are laid down by Christ in the NT.
The OT also contains how the world was created. A christian choosing to focus on the NT would be missing out of a huge gap of their own theology.
You know nothing about my beliefs as I have never mentioned them, you have assumed I am a Christian because I have some knowledge of and have read the Bible, you should never base arguments on your own assumptions you'll end up making mistakes and looking foolish.
Well I've seem to have confused you with the person that started the debate at the top. I assumed you were religious because of it. But I follow arguments through the notification system, preventing me from seeing any previous arguments. But we are still debating about Christianity nonetheless.
it is far cooler to go against the establishment. It is far cooler to speak your mind then have someone tell you how to speak it. Social deconstruction has always been enlightening
You realize right, while maybe no in this day and age anymore, but generally speaking, believing in a personal god goes way more against the establishment than atheism does.
My beliefs have caused me to look at society as a sad crippled force, and there are the enslaved, and the enslavers.
My beliefs allow me to speak my mind, because i did not conform my beliefs to an already established dogma, i found my beliefs due to my way of thinking.
atheists just believe there is no divinity at all, and so have nothing to really live for, which is sad, because they are no longer concerned with finding whats "out there" and are only concerned with finding whats already around them.
Atheistic scientists are an exception, but even then, most scientists believe in some form of god.
2. Christian rock (and other attempts of religious music) are an insult to the ears.
3. Some parts of the bible are terribly uncool. (Such as Jesus killing a fig tree because it didn't have any figs to feed Jesus as figs were not in season.)
But this is from an existent type of music the Christians decided to introduce to their music, after understanding their own uncoolness. The original Christian rock can only be made, exist and be enjoyed by uncool minds!
And at least I'm partially right! Because the shitty ones exist out there, disgracing the name of music.
But that shouldn't really be part of the genre of Christian rock. They've already established what the genre is, through years of the same horrible music. The music up here should be classified a different genre completely. It's normal rock, or whatever you call it, not christian rock. They just changed the words that have a message to love Jesus, which is uncool anyway.
Just because you think christian rock bands should sound terrible, does not mean that a band that sounds good can't be a Christian Rock band. That is just stereotyping.
The music video you gave me fits into an already existent music genre of non-christian-rock. They did not think of this Genre of music themselves, they thought of the clapping-swaying-hands-God-is-Love-crap!
This music is not in the same genre as 90% of the christian rock that stings the ears.
Christian rock is actually pretty good. I don't know why you don't like them there are some good bands.
Also the reason why Jesus killed the fig tree was because He was telling His disciples that if you have faith then you could cast a mountain into the sea. He was giving them an example plus God can control who dies and who lives.
Christian rock is actually pretty good. I don't know why you don't like them there are some good bands.
Well that's just your opinion.
I just don't want to hear it from you christians for an eternity in heaven!
Also the reason why Jesus killed the fig tree was because He was telling His disciples that if you have faith then you could cast a mountain into the sea. He was giving them an example
What the hell? That was in a completely different part of the bible. This verse was when Jesus was walking alone through a desert and saw a fig tree, hoping it would have figs. When it didn't, he got angry and killed it. Cold blood. Alone.
Isn't anger the devil or something?
plus God can control who dies and who lives.
But that is an act of evil, killing a tree even though it wasn't it's fault. And it was murder that was caused by anger. And it is Jesus we're talking about here. He's the one who was hungry for figs, not God; God is never hungry.
I just don't want to hear it from you christians for an eternity in heaven!
Why are you getting so upbeat? I am talking to you normally and it seems like you are getting mad or angry about it just chill this is a friendly debate. Ok. ;)
What the hell? That was in a completely different part of the bible. This verse was when Jesus was walking alone through a desert and saw a fig tree, hoping it would have figs. When it didn't, he got angry and killed it. Cold blood. Alone.
Isn't anger the devil or something?
I have read the Bible dude and I read that chapter and Jesus was walking with His disciples and saw the fig tree and He let it die and He told them that if you have a lot of faith that you could cast a mountain into the sea. That is why He did that to show them and He wasn't alone in the desert I don't know where or how you got that but what you just said was false.
But that is an act of evil, killing a tree even though it wasn't it's fault. And it was murder that was caused by anger. And it is Jesus we're talking about here. He's the one who was hungry for figs, not God; God is never hungry.
It's a part of God's powers He decides what lives and what dies. Its not an act of evil because He choose's if you die tomorrow or die 10 years or more from now. Or to extend your life. Jesus is God, He is 3 in one Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.
I have read the Bible dude and I read that chapter and Jesus was walking with His disciples and saw the fig tree and He let it die and He told them that if you have a lot of faith that you could cast a mountain into the sea. That is why He did that to show them and He wasn't alone in the desert I don't know where or how you got that but what you just said was false.
Well excuse me, but killing a fig tree for revenge for not giving fruit is still the devil! No matter what sick educational reasons it was used to be killed, it is still evil to take the life of that innocent tree!
It's a part of God's powers He decides what lives and what dies. Its not an act of evil because He choose's if you die tomorrow or die 10 years or more from now. Or to extend your life.
... one word...
FREEWILL.
Jesus is God, He is 3 in one Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Well excuse me, but killing a fig tree for revenge for not giving fruit is still the devil! No matter what sick educational reasons it was used to be killed, it is still evil to take the life of that innocent tree!
He didn't kill the tree to get revenge! It didn't produce fruit at all what did you want Jesus to do huh? Leave it alone if it wasn't doing anything? No. He had to kill it since their was nothing the fruit can do or produce. How is it an act of evil when He was doing His job?
... one word...
FREEWILL.
What about free will?
Why not 4? For would be more fun.
I don't know why it was God's idea of it not mine.
He didn't kill the tree to get revenge! It didn't produce fruit at all what did you want Jesus to do huh? Leave it alone if it wasn't doing anything? No. He had to kill it since their was nothing the fruit can do or produce. How is it an act of evil when He was doing His job?
How about waiting for it to go in season so it can finally have a chance to grow figs to feed people! Killing it would just stop it from producing everything, therefore promoting death, starvation and evil.
What about free will?
We have the choice whether to live or not, and we have the choice to do anything without intervention with God.
I don't know why it was God's idea of it not mine.
Well God's idea sucks. How about pie? Instead of 3, it would be 3.14 for the most efficiency. As curved objects are the most efficient shapes in the universe.
How about waiting for it to go in season so it can finally have a chance to grow figs to feed people! Killing it would just stop it from producing everything, therefore promoting death, starvation and evil.
How can it come into season when it can't produce anything or its done producing fruit? What would you do wait and still have the same results like not having it grow or kill it and there is more fruit you can gather and plant. Also its not that big of a deal if he killed a plant, you should make a big deal if He physically killed someone a human being He created.
Well Jesus did what He did and He set an example to His disciples that you can move a mountain with the faith.
We have the choice whether to live or not, and we have the choice to do anything without intervention with God.
We have a choice to be with God and follow Him or turn the other path which is the path of destruction. And you choose the path of destruction because it was your choice to forsake God's teachings. What you did back then was a horrible mistake and a prophecy came true from the Bible when you did that because it says in the last days that many people will fall away from the faith. And you just fulfilled as well as many other used to be Christians.
Well God's idea sucks. How about pie? Instead of 3, it would be 3.14 for the most efficiency. As curved objects are the most efficient shapes in the universe.
Ok, go ahead and think it sucks. I will pray for you to return back to the faith that you once fell away from.
How can it come into season when it can't produce anything or its done producing fruit? What would you do wait and still have the same results like not having it grow or kill it and there is more fruit you can gather and plant. Also its not that big of a deal if he killed a plant, you should make a big deal if He physically killed someone a human being He created.
Well Jesus did what He did and He set an example to His disciples that you can move a mountain with the faith.
You're not understanding what I am saying. When a Fig tree is not in season, it does not produce any fruit. When a Fig tree is in season, it produces fruit. Jesus said directly to the tree 'You may not produce figs any more' and it died. That means that it could of produced figs, had he not killed it. And it is barbaric that you say that the tree has no rights to live; when it is in season it would produce figs for people to eat, and will also grow leaves that pull Co2 from the air and convert it to Oxygen. This Oxygen is what we need to breath. With Jesus killing that tree, the overall oxygen in the Earth would of depleted roughly around 0.000000001%. This would mean that he has made people suffocate by 0.000000001% which is not helpful, or nice.
We have a choice to be with God and follow Him or turn the other path which is the path of destruction.
I'm not sure about you, but that fig tree had no control over that, yet he still got murdered.
And you choose the path of destruction because it was your choice to forsake God's teachings.
How is it a path of destruction? After reading a bit of the bible, I was disgusted about what some parts had said. I thought to myself, "This doesn't sound like what God would do."
One of the bible verses that made me think about this was this weird story. Here's the verse: As he [Elisha] was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.--2 Kings 2:23-24
So in the verse, this boy called Elisha gets mocked by a group of kids. These kids were not beating him up in any way. In fact, they were just saying "Go up, thou bald head; go up," I don't know about you, but that's kind of a soft insult. Elisha's got a bald head, so what.
But then, God orders two bears to slaughter all of the 42 children; just for calling Elisha a bald head.
Think of it. Think with the logic of your mind how those 42 children would feel, getting their skin teared open; blood pumping about. Their screams as their life disappears before them; all their memories- memories of their caring mothers, brothers and sisters, innocently playing together. But now these memories are all gone now; lost, like tears in the rain.
If you were a sane human being, I'd think you'd agree that what God did was a horrible act. Those children commit no wrong to deserve this treatment. They had freewill, did they not? They had the right to live. And merely calling someone 'bald' or without hair shouldn't be enough to have you killed in such a painful and merciless way.
What you did back then was a horrible mistake and a prophecy came true from the Bible when you did that because it says in the last days that many people will fall away from the faith.
I did not fall away from the faith; I was freed. And I take offense to how you call it a "horrible mistake". I think it's your horrible mistake to believe in the bible where your God murdered countless lives of innocent men, women and children, just like that bible verse I gave you up there^^^
And you just fulfilled as well as many other used to be Christians.
It's funny how more people are leaving the faith than entering. The net intelligence of the world is increasing. People are getting more smarter, including I. They are now using the logic in their heads to realize how broken the bible is. The verse I gave you is proof enough of that.
I did not fall away from the faith; I was freed. And I take offense to how you call it a "horrible mistake". I think it's your horrible mistake to believe in the bible where your God murdered countless lives of innocent men, women and children, just like that bible verse I gave you up there^^^
Yes you did fall away from the faith because your an atheist right now and your not following Christ correct? So that mean you fell away from it and no longer believe it anymore.
It's funny how more people are leaving the faith than entering. The net intelligence of the world is increasing. People are getting more smarter, including I. They are now using the logic in their heads to realize how broken the bible is. The verse I gave you is proof enough of that.
They is nothing funny about people entering the faith or leaving it. Its serious business. I actually am getting smarter as well as you are. Everyone's mind gets smarter. Right now in biology I am learning about biological evolution and my biology teacher is an atheist and no I don't argue with her about any religious stuff, because I might get in trouble of I do say something about it.
(I will answer the argument later about the Bible verse also a little note that book is in the OT and its for the Jewish people.)
Yes you did fall away from the faith because your an atheist right now and your not following Christ correct? So that mean you fell away from it and no longer believe it anymore.
It can mean it both ways. But In my eyes, I was freed, freed from the lies and indoctrination.
They is nothing funny about people entering the faith or leaving it. Its serious business. I actually am getting smarter as well as you are.
I'd like to believe that. It's just that you haven't picked up various things. Such as; I did not say it was "funny" in a literal sense. It was a figure of speech. The word "funny" can be used in multiple aspects, in this case, I used it to express how 'odd' it was.
Everyone's mind gets smarter. Right now in biology I am learning about biological evolution and my biology teacher is an atheist and no I don't argue with her about any religious stuff, because I might get in trouble of I do say something about it.
Playing the victim, I see? You say you are getting smarter by learning about biology, yet you say that all you do is sit in class, ignoring what the teacher says, and refraining from objecting/arguing to some tyrannical teacher. How is that relevant to getting smarter?
(I will answer the argument later about the Bible verse also a little note that book is in the OT and its for the Jewish people.)
Old Testament? Don't think for a second that I don't already know that.
Srom, what if I told you that the fact that the Old Testament is for the Jews is irrelevant to my main contention? That I don't care if it was made for the Jews? Christians only use this argument to save themselves from the evil and cruel laws of the OT, but we aren't talking about that, aren't we? We are talking about a certain story in the bible, involving people and events that you believe to be real. In this case the story of Elisha.
-And it is God's actions that are in question here. His evil, abhorrent actions that had devilishly murdered 42 innocent children. Now tell me, is that what you think your God does? Is it really? If there are hundreds of religions around, most involving nice and kind Gods, would people really want to follow the Christian God, even when he has killed these innocent 42 children? That clearly isn't a nice and kind act. I find you shameful for continuing to mindlessly follow this cult.
I will answer the argument later
Do not give me a stupid answer, okay?
And answer and quote each sentence, please. Do not leave anything out.
being yourself is much cooler. if you are believing some god, you dont remain yourself. you try to be the man who god loves. you try to be a model of perfection thats all. just to attain an imaginary heaven. I say instead of thinking about the heaven after death which is not known, try to create heaven on earth itself because this life is in your hands. so coming to the point, being yourself, knowing yourself and living yourself is much much much cooler that living about in god fantasy.........
Im not against god, i am against religion itself. so it makes me more than an atheist. and i have not said atheism is cooler anywhere...... I said being yourself, free from religion and god is cooler.....!!
P.S. - can you tell me the name of this religion you mentioned. i really curious and want to know because i havent heard of it yet....thanks in advance.....!!
Taoism and some strands of Buddhism are non theistic. Buddhism concerns the search for enlightenment and Taoism concerns the search for immortality and a return to Tao. Taoism supports Science and learning as it was believed that immortality and the return to Tao could be reached by learning and the observation and exploration of nature and life, ones life rests with oneself not heaven is a Taoist principle.
Tao means literally the path or the way. It is a universal principle that underlies everything from the creation of galaxies to the interaction of human beings.
There is obviously more to it than that I just tried to give you a rough outline of what Taoism is about, if you wanna know more I can go into more detail of what I know and give you titles for further reading im not trying to convert you though!!!
I know roughly about taoism but not about their philosophy. but i know buddhism, there are many points i dont agree with, like they believe in reincarnation. they consider women a disturbance in the path of enlightenment, etc........ i have still not found an perfect religion. and i dont think buddhism can be called a religion, it is simply an idea, a philosophy...
Taoism and Buddhism are very similar in that they are are Phillosphies as well as Religions some people only follow the philosophy elements and not the religous/supernatural elements and some embrace all aspects. I had'nt heard that about women, I will see what I can find out but I dont think all branches of Buddhism think of women as a disturbance on the way to enlightenment although I am sure there are some that do, it could be that some Buddhists think women are a disturbance in the path to their enlightenment (rather than an all women are bad attitude that is preached by some religions and people) hence the vows of celibacy that some monks take. As I said I had not heard this before so it is pure conjecture my reasoning being that women have reached the state of Buddha in the past and women are as welcome as men in the Buddhist temples I have visited
I agree I dont think there is a perfect Religion, they all look good on paper but when people get involved and twist it to their own ends it all gets messed up. I like to find out about different Religions and their beliefs as I believe this can lead to understanding other people but I do like a lot of the Taoist, Buddhist beliefs and a lot of the beliefs of the more Spiritual, Shamanistic religions.
About women, it was gautam buddhas idea. he never had a women disciple. and he never let any women come near his ashram. i had also heard a story of him which was telling tht he warned his disciples to stay away from women when they set off to spread of buddhas philosophy. and also im against celibacy. i think its totally against nature.
The thing I read was that Guatama Buddha welcomed women into and to participate in his order but felt that clinging to gender identity would keep you in bondage and prevent you from reaching enlightenment. Some Buddhist orders are not keen on allowing women in, one of the theories behind this was that it was a case of proffesional jealousy, that historically the female teachers were more popular so the male ones banned them twisting the original Buddhas words to suit their cause and that the original teachings were that it was gender identity and lust that would distract from enlightenment.
To me this is plausable as texts from all religions have been changed and twisted throughout history to suit whoever was in charge at the time.
god AND THE bible CAN BOTH GO TO HELL AND BURN THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT religion THAT IS COOL OR WORTH WORSHIPPING . I AM INLOVE WITH MY MACHINE THAT MY GOD GIVES ME TO LOVE AND USE .
Atheists believe in reality, people who are religious are only so because they are afraid of death while we just accept it instead of being such a pussy over it!
Greek Mythology has some epic things, such as minotaurs, centaurs, gryphons and stuff, but current religions have a bearded white guy that can alter the surface tension of water to walk on.
Honestly, only an idiot would base their decision of theism or atheism over which is "cooler." Although, since theism is the majority, religion I guess is "cooler" (whatever that means).
Atheists, from what small amount they are, have created some rather funny stuff, like memes- not only Richard Dawkins, the inventor of memes, the people who thought up of memes are mostly Atheistic. Do you Reddit?
There is also no super-boring-uncool Church on Sundays, and there is definitely no ultra-gay praying saying how much you love Jesus.
Dawkinns did not invent memes, he just coined the term.
Also not all of church life is boring, our priest likes to tell jokes in his homily, and we don't just sit around like hippies, we actually take part in helping our community in service projects.
He coined the term which inspired Atheists to make memes about.
Again, I ask do you Reddit? How about 4Chan, 9gag or FunnyJunk? All of these sites gave birth to memes, but everyone on them are Atheist. Most memes you see are anti-religious, and if there is a meme there that is pro-religion, it would get thumbed-down to oblivion.
Church is still boring! The priest needs to tell jokes (of a G rating) because he understands it's boring and wants to keep people interested. But jokes are boring. I've attended Church with a Priest that jokes. Actually, every Church I've attended has a priest that jokes. In Saint Dominic's, Saint Anthony's, Saint Paul's. All of them joke. And then do boring prayers and read from a book that contains the murder of innocents commanded from God, (such as the raping of women and the killing of babies.) It is all the same. And what's with that prayer with each bead of the rosary? Absolutely delusionally boring! I don't want to be forced to repeat myself like a madman!
And you can help with the community projects, minus the holy crap any day. (It saves more time.)
The idea of memes was not origanal, about 50 years earlier richard semon came up with a similar theory.
Also memes might not be centered around any religion, does not mean they are centered around atheist either. It is a universal thing on the internet.
as to all that stuff you said about church, it is you right to make up your own opinion about it. I am not going to try to change your mind about it because argue over personal preferences is pointless.
That being said I do not think either religion or atheism are cooler than the other, because, as i said before, it is just a personal preference.
My comment still applies that Atheists own all the sites that invented memes we see and derive humour from today, as for some reason, their way of life has given them their way of thinking, including their humour.
Church= sitting down doing nothing except for praying and listening to a priest try and joke, and trying to find some universal understanding with that joke, suddenly realizing it shouldn't sum up life in a day. In a Sunday. Contemplating life. Personal preferences are of no match with the overall infinity of everything in the universe. If a Church is the house of existence/universe/the meaning of life, it is still overt to the infinity of the universe meaning that the house of the universe must contain infinity such as infinite humour from that joke or infinite entertainment from that service. But such requirements are far from reached, so a failed attempt to understand the universe will fade away, as it is not good enough, but it is still preserved by minds that do not understand how things are meant to be. This is not good enough for existence. Existence on a Sunday should not be trampled in a Church- a place not so holy when children are ceaselessly molested in them. Church be sent to oblivion!
I like Christianity because it brings me comfort, hope and peace but life is sometimes hard for a Christian. Knowing that I have a Savior in me and that I can put my trust in Him is awesome! I like Christianity where its a relationship with Jesus and I.
I like Christianity because it brings me comfort, hope and peace
As they say, ignorance is bliss.
but life is sometimes hard for a Christian.
No, it's hard to be a human. Even harder to be an Atheist, since we are the most hated minority in the world (more so than gays) and are continuously abused by the rest of the world.
Knowing that I have a Savior in me and that I can put my trust in Him is awesome!
Ermahgerd. Such a stereotypical thing to say! They've really indoctrinated you, haven't they?
I like Christianity where its a relationship with Jesus and I.
No, it's hard to be a human. Even harder to be an Atheist, since we are the most hated minority in the world (more so than gays) and are continuously abused by the rest of the world.
I wouldn't say your hated because you guys get more respect in the US then us Christians and I don't hate atheists I accept them for who they are. In other countries if you believed in Jesus Christ they would kill you or persecute Christians. If you go to the Islamic countries they would kill you if they see a Bible in your hand.
Ermahgerd. Such a stereotypical thing to say! They've really indoctrinated you, haven't they?
Well I actually have been studying since you have been gone and lots of it.
So you love some bearded white palestinian?
He isn't a palestinian, He was a Israelite who was born in Bethlehem
I wouldn't say your hated because you guys get more respect in the US then us Christians
What the actual hell.
On a poll, Americans rated Atheists more hated than Gays. In the US, 90% of the population is basically Christian, and only like 1% is Atheist. How the heck can Christians be discriminated when Americans are mostly Christians that hate upon Atheists.
In other countries if you believed in Jesus Christ they would kill you or persecute Christians. If you go to the Islamic countries they would kill you if they see a Bible in your hand.
It's actually even worse for Atheists. Many have been hanged, murdered and tortured for betraying Allah.
Well I actually have been studying since you have been gone and lots of it.
Well I commend you for that, but you should really be reading into more about Science, English and stuff.
He isn't a palestinian, He was a Israelite who was born in Bethlehem
He's still white when Israelites are supposed to be tanned-brownish skin-coloured. What kind of racist wanted an Israelite to be white to suite their views?
Srom, that's not the debate... the debate is which is Cooler... not which one do you believe or like. I'm atheist as you know but I argued "religion" is cooler. If you agree, cool, but say why it's cooler, not that it's what you believe.
Religion is seen as a sort of "quirky" or "cute" thing amongst the young people in my culture, and people tend to see any kind of attempt at critical thinking as being "gay" or "nerdy".
No I live down in "sunny Worthing" in Sussex. Perhaps you are slightly more, for want of a better word, "extreme" in your faith than the majority of the religious, most of whom probably haven't even read their own sacred texts and would be considered "moderate". Are you perchance a creationist? Because maybe if you are in the minority within your own faith (which I assume is Christianity due to your devotion to England), it may seem as if there are a huge number of people against you, when really the majority are still Christians.
That's all there seems to be here anyway. White, middle class Christians moaning about chavs.
I could make a religion about some badass in the sky who comes down & goes out every night, invites everyone in the world to the same club as him yet makes everyone fit inside, and pays the tab. Sounds pretty cool to me ...
the bouncy ball is a manmade object, im not saying rocks decide to just sit there for the rest of their lives, i dont think rocks have much consciousness.. lol
But i do believe what we do as humans affects the entire universe, maybe not on a grand scale of things, but if we threw earth off its course by like .001 degrees there would most likely be hell to pay right?
the bouncy ball is a manmade object, im not saying rocks decide to just sit there for the rest of their lives, i dont think rocks have much consciousness.. lol
A man-made object made of natural things. Rocks bounce off other rocks just the same as well.
But i do believe what we do as humans affects the entire universe, maybe not on a grand scale of things, but if we threw earth off its course by like .001 degrees there would most likely be hell to pay right?
Nope. The Earth has an elliptical orbit which means that as it goes around the sun, it is not a perfect circle. This orbit changes frequently and is unstable. If all humans jumped at the same time in one place, it would knock the Earth off for a tiny bit, but then soon return to its original place.
Humans do effect the universe though, and the fabric of space-time, but only slightly. The density in our bodies alters how time moves, and bends existence. You could make a black hole out of humans, but it would take a lot of them. But the same effect goes with every single object in the universe.
Well then in that case, i guess the protons and electrons in the atoms of the bouncy ball bounce off the protons and electrons in the atoms that make up the ground... which is where i think some degree of consciousness comes into play: how do atoms know how to react with each other?
Ya, i dont think we can change earths course by much lol. I do however believe that "dimensions" are created by us as we move around
Well then in that case, i guess the protons and electrons in the atoms of the bouncy ball bounce off the protons and electrons in the atoms that make up the ground... which is where i think some degree of consciousness comes into play: how do atoms know how to react with each other?
Well it certainly doesn't look like they react in a conscious manner. They react when correct stimulus is involved, in the most basic way. It's weird to think that in their "atomascopic" world that they are conscious when they don't have brains and such. And what would they think? "I must react to this and move when I come in contact with this, perhaps today I will do it in style." Abiotic, or things that are non-living exist, and those things are rocks and things. Not once has that ever been changed back into a biotic factor.
By the way you say atoms and electrons are conscious, does that mean that even dead things/dead people are alive? But that would contradict the whole soul leaving the body thing. Ugh this is so weird to talk about.
Ya, i dont think we can change earths course by much lol. I do however believe that "dimensions" are created by us as we move around
Interdasting! :3
I might want to know more about this dimension creating thing. Are you saying that every frame of reality- or of time and space are all recorded as branching dimensions with alternate out-comes? Or is this something else, where every moment in existence will freeze for our souls to come out and create a whole new dimension from scratch to then retreat to the body to continue making another dimension in the next time-frame of existence?
Or is it a collateral-mass-effect-underlying-general-relativity-thing that is a byproduct of time's existence that seems to usher in new dimensions in an ongoing drift of reality?
I'm not christian or atheist (I'm just against all religions) but from what I've seen, I have to say that it's probably considered cooler to be religious. A lot of my friends are atheist and we get shit for it. Last week one of my friends (who is christian) almost got beat up by his BEST FRIEND for a miscommunication about his religious affiliation. It was pretty bad but I suppose society is harsh on those who go against the norm.
