Which is more harmful, Nationalism or Religion?
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I have to say , I'm tired of people blaming religion because of the people supporting the religion misinterpreted what their religion said to do . Same thing for nationalism . But if I had to pick which was worse let's look . Religion : Crusades , 9/11 , ISIS , Iraq , there are probably others but I can't think of any others at the moment . Nationalism : WW1 , WW2 , Civil War , Revolutionary war , War of 1812 , Veitman , Korea , again there probably others but I can't think of any others at the moment. But I guess it all depends on which country or religion you mean . The U.S. has been in more nationalism wars than say Islam has been in religious wars so it all depends . Side: Nationalism
These are ideas, ideas are not harmful. People are harmful. Peace is an idea, no one would ever say peace is a harmful idea, yet their are people who do crazy things in the name of "peace" because people are pieces of shit, not the ideas they choose to run with. I chose this side to post this argument on, just as a person who's opposed to nationalism. Big whoop you support a country you were born in. Side: Nationalism
Both require the actions of men to become a pretext for causing harm. Both require man in order to exist. The extent to which they can cause harm, in both cases, is then equal malice of men. Don't agree at all. There are many well intentioned theists that force harmful rules on others but they don't do with malice. Side: Religion
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I agree that both can be dangerous, but I don't think religion has caused more wars, nor does religion have the highest death toll in wars. Here is a list of the top 10 wars ever fought and only one of them was a religious related war. Side: Nationalism
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It's fine, that's what this site is for. I should've done more research because actually I was wrong. I guess the reason I stated that was because there was in fact a lot of wars that involved religion. In fact I knew more religious wars than I did any others so I assumed religion was the cause of most wars. Forgive me, I should've done more research before carelessly stating that. I regret this argument. Side: Religion
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Nationalism is good as long as you're not a fascist and your country isn't one like North Korea. However religion is inherently evil. Look how many people are dying because of it currently and how many more throughout history. I counter with: Religion is good as long as you're not an extremist and your religion isn't one like Islam. However government is inherently evil. Look how many people are dying because of it currently and how many more throughout history. Put differently: By that logic, government in general is inherently evil as well. I believe that governments have killed more people than religions have, although there is admittedly (and unfortunately) a significant overlap between the two from a historical perspective. If we can judge all religion by the standard set by the worst of them, can't we do the same in respect to government? I clarified rather than disputed because I believe that Religion is the more harmful of the two, I just don't believe you make a good case establishing that here. Side: Nationalism
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