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 Which martial art is the most effective for a real fight? (25)

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Which martial art is the most effective for a real fight?

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Which martial art is the most effective for a real fight?

The first Martial skills I would recommend people to learn is Wrestling fundamentals. From there, submissions/Jiu-Jitsu ---> Boxing/Mua Thai ---> Taekwondo/Karate/"Traditional" Martial Arts ---> Krav Maga/"Real World" Scenario Defensive & Offensive Skills ---> Weapons; Single Stick & Double Stick Escrima, Knives, etc.

DarkWanderer(285) Clarified
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@xMathFanx

This is actually a trick question. One who relies on any of the martial arts you mentioned can be defeated by any of the others depending on their level of training and the circumstances of the fight. The best martial art is actually implementing a multitude of martial arts and using what techniques work the best in a particular situation or against a particular opponent. For instance you can't grapple if you are facing a fast boxer who can hit you 3 times and get out of range before you can grab him, so you would have to use tae kwon do or muay thai and hit him with the types of attacks he wasn't trained to deal with. And you can't use tae kwon do against a skilled grappler who keeps grabbing your leg and throwing you across the street, so you will have to implement a combination of ju jitsu, judo and aikido to counter his wrestling techniques.

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@DarkWanderer

Yes, what you say is true. One of the biggest weaknesses of any one individual martial art is that it does not inherently take into consideration attacks from opposing martial arts. For instance, a great boxer would still have no idea what to do if a person goes for a double leg takedown and then applies submission tactics on the ground. Likewise, a person who only does Jui Jitsu is completely unprepared for being cracked in the face when they try and roll. Etc. etc.

Then, to a person who has no martial skills whatsoever, before diving into any particular one and going "all in" on that, they should probably learn fundamental MMA skills basics, and then choose which one to focus in on from there, and then move on to more, and so on ad infinitum.

But, yeah, you're right. If a person spends years in a boxing gym and is intermediate to advanced level, they could still potentially get wasted easily in a "street fight" or mma match from a person who has a more balanced skill set, even if they had less skills in all/any one areas.

Mingiwuwu(1446) Clarified
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Their 2 and 3 are the two best but jiu jitsu is NOWHERE NEAR the top.

xMathFanx(1722) Clarified
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@Mingiwuwu

Do you say that since you need to learn to get them to the ground before submissions can occur? Or, do you have other reasoning?

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Tae Kwon Do and Muay Thai are all you ever need. I have studied all martial arts in depth and can tell you that if you master these two, you will never ever be defeated in a hand-to-hand combat unless you're physically/mentally frail at the time.

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Tae Kwon Do and Muay Thai are all you ever need.

I disagree, muay thai is all about striking so it is not well balanced, and tai kwon do is perhaps one of the worst martial arts in all actuality. It focuses way too heavily on kicks and as a trained martial artist who has fought in dozens of tournaments I can assure you that tai kwon do sucks. If you get in close or use grappling you can easily disable the fancy kicks they rely on so heavily.

Mingiwuwu(1446) Disputed
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They are two of the most brutal martial arts and yes they are aggro-prone as opposed to defensive prone. You need a lot of dietary adjustments and physical habits to truly master them as they require specific muscles to be at certain strengths to pull off some of their moves but they are NOT AT ALL inferior to other martial arts.

You know very little about Muay Thai if you think it's about 'hitting first'. They specialise in grappling FIRST, Elbowing SECOND, dodging THIRD and kneeing FOURTH. The way Muay Thai works mechanically is so unlike other martial arts that even top tier black belters of other martial arts can be confused with how to handle a Muay Thai expert. Many people train to cope with punches and kicks but elbowing, kneeing and grappling are the three least well-understood fighting formats and this is why Muay Thai is so undeniably insane in its effectiveness against any average fighter out there.

Tae Kwon Doe is not at all a case of 'kick the other guy fast and pray to god they don't know how to handle it'. A true tae kwon do master is actually capable of doing a 75% kick, stopping EXACTLY when the other person is going to flinch/defend and then kicking another way while they block that kick using the 25% remaining time to makethem react even slower to the real, planned attack. Tae Kwon Doe is the ONLY martial art that actively teaches you to bait wrong defence in the enemy and work around a skilled opponent. You mention in your other post that no martial art teaches you how to directly handle other ones, TKD is the only one that does. They teach you baiting, out-thinking and even how to anticipate the other guy baiting you and adapt to their moving style.

TKD is so hard to master that it would be safe to say that to get to the third highest tier (not just black belt but beyond that) in TKD is equal to the top tier of any other martial art in physical training and dietary discipline.

This is a KID who is BLACK BELT in TKD. LOOK HOW AGILE AND STRONG HE IS, there's no BS chakra etc there's pure training and difficulty in getting there.

NO CHILD PRODIGY OF ANOTHER MARTIAL ART IS THIS INSANE
Mingiwuwu(1446) Clarified
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In a real fight, biting and eye gouging as well as neck jabs are all allowed. This is something TKD and MT deal with brilliantly whereas other martial arts require rules to be effective.

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@DarkWanderer

tai kwon do is perhaps one of the worst martial arts in all actuality. It focuses way too heavily on kicks and as a trained martial artist who has fought in dozens of tournaments I can assure you that tai kwon do sucks. If you get in close or use grappling you can easily disable the fancy kicks they rely on so heavily.

Yes--Tai Kwon do is I think by far the coolest looking/flashiest martial art, however is extremely limited in real world implementation and would in fact leave someone very vulnerable if they went for a 540 kick, etc. This is why it is often one of the main arts used in movies, though you very rarely see it in the cage.

Still great to know though--both for the skills themselves as well as balance, control, efficiency of legs, light on your feet, etc. etc., all of which will transfer with you. Also, Martial Arts tricking is very cool in its own right.

xMathFanx(1722) Clarified
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@Mingiwuwu

Are you familiar with GNT (Ginger Ninja Trickster) and/or Scott Adkins (Martial Arts action movie star)? Both specialize in Taekwondo

Mingiwuwu(1446) Clarified
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I'm a die-hard undisputed 2, 3 and 4 fan and his other movies are just as brilliant action-wise.

Idk the ginger guy but I don't doubt he's impeccable. TKD and Muay Thai are the only two martial arts where if you are good, you're definitely amazing.

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Given your known expertise in the field of Martial Arts. What fits an expert the best LMMFAO !!!!!!!!!!