I agree with the "both sides are being immature" sentiment, but the fact is that the world powers promised the Jews, quite some time ago, a nation of their own in the Middle East. The Jews took it, and it became Israel. They've had to fight for it ever since. I think Israel has, by now, established that they are a cohesive force and deserved to be recognized as a nation by all. They, as a nation, deserve the land that they've held for nearly a century. The Palestinians can spend their time fixing up the huge area they already have, rather than insisting upon the tiny portion that the Israelis have committedly improved for decades.
This kind of oversimplification really gets on my nerves. The assumptions are hugely incorrect. First, not all Israelis are Jews. Second, there are Palestinians who are Israeli citizens. Third, deserving of property implies that there is such a scale that is used universally. Lets start with false assumption #3: On your hypothetical scale, which of us deserves the land your house is on? I think you only _deserve_ 1/4 of it and should be restricted from access and changes on the other 3/4. You paid for it? So what? According to this system, you don't DESERVE it. In fact, due to low incomes and high unemployment, Mississippi isn't deserving of it's land, so lets reallocate it off to laborers from California and Texas. Who cares if they're not actually living there. Now, assumption #2: Most Palestinians are not terrorists or Muslim fundamentalists or bad people. Nor are they saints who valiantly sally forth to martyr themselves for a noble cause. They are everyday people like you and me who want basic things like jobs, food, clean water, safety, and a stable environment. They have an equal right to participate in a democratic government. However, they have failed to create any semblance of a stable democratic entity. The cannot trust their own leaders which only serves to exacerbate a bad situation. And, finally, the first assumption. Not only are not all Israelis Jews, but not all Jews support Israel. In fact, the ultra-religious Jews don't believe in a country of Israel because only God can provide that--not some elected party. On the other side, you have Jews who are devoted to their own nations--like the USA. So, before this gets too long and deep for a CD post, let me summarize by saying that this issue is not so simply divided and that in the end its not a matter of who deserves land but how we can protect the rights of Palestinians, Muslims, Jews, Christians, Druze, Israelis, and other peoples involved in the Middle East conflict.
352 days ago | Tagged As: oversimplifying
hahahahahhahaha i win i win
352 days ago | Tagged As: Israeli Jews
Israelis RULE!!!!!! yea oh yea i went there!
352 days ago | Tagged As: Israeli Jews
hello everyone i think the israelis should win but that is just because they got it first so that is why they should have it palestine just stole it israel will win hahahahahahahaha
351 days ago | Tagged As: Israeli Jews
its obvious that the UK screwed the Israelis and Palestinians over. but some key things must be took into concept. Palestinians never owned the land they so claim to have today. when the Romans conquered the holy land they renamed it Palestine. then the turks took them over, then the Ottoman empire owned it, and the after ww1 great Briton owned it. so when the UK pulled out and the Israeli population formed their country and when the Palestinians and nearby countries got their ass kicked when they denied to recognize then as a country and tried to take them over, Israel became a nation through a military victory. so whether they deserved the land or not, they do know. and now to say that the local Arab population that lived there who were nomadic during most of history say they've always had an nation their dubbed Palestine, when we know they did not start calling them self's "Palestinians" to the 60s, you look and sound pathetic. an other thing to point out is that if the local Arab population really wanted to have their own land during the time they were owned by numerous other nations, why did they not rebel? or ask for independence? like the Jews did during Roman control. so obviously most of the Arabs were content and happy with the rulers who lead them till a Jewish state came into being. this is not about who really owns the land. the spoils go to the victors, its really just a group of people with no religious tolerance and who scream in the name of god! before they blow 20 innocent people.
11 days ago | Tagged As: Palestinians
Although both sides are acting stupid and immature about the whole thing, the fact that Israeli Jews are trying to have peace talks while the Palestinians are constantly declairing war means that they are slightly more mature. But in my own opinion, both sides should learn to live in peace and harmony and STOP saying that they deserve more land than the other. But if I had it my way, I would treat both sides like 2 year olds and just take all the land away from both of them until they learned to share equally. And I'm not trying to dis any Jews or Palestinians, but that is just the fact. I mean, I'm Jewish and I love the mother land, but both sides are acting immature and like 2 year olds and should therefore be treated as such.
If the Israeli's fought and conquered the land, it's theirs. But at what cost? In the end if the Israeli's give the land back, I have a feeling the Palestinians will find something else to fight about. But with that said, I still think they should give the land back - if anything just because nothing has worked so far. Maybe giving them back their land will actually cause peace. But with those two babies, who the fuck knows.
okay seriously why don't we just break up the land into two seperate parts last time they were unfair
352 days ago | Tagged As: Israeli Jews
naaaa nanaananananan u loose
352 days ago | Tagged As: Israeli Jews
i win again hahhahahahahhaahha
352 days ago | Tagged As: Israeli Jews
huh i think isreali shoulld win because they are jews hahahaha and who doesent like a jew??
352 days ago | Tagged As: Israeli Jews
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352 days ago | Tagged As: Israeli Jews
wat now lol we are winning
352 days ago | Tagged As: Israeli Jews
Who the hell are you and why are you spamming this debate?!
I am just wondering how many people care honestly I think we should just leave it up to them. They started it and now it is their problem well yea
351 days ago | Tagged As: Israeli Jews
even though i do feel sympathy for the palestines, Israelis are a much better ally and asset to our interest (american). selfish? yes. necessary? definitely.
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The way this debate is phrased is dubious, to say the least. Israel deserves ALL of Israeli land, but that begs the question as to whether or not it is their land in the first place. Personally, I think under rational circumstances it should be split up evenly, however I can sympathize with the Palestinians who got forced out of their territory by a 2000 year old Zionist sense of entitlement.
Correction: Although the Israelis feel that they are entitled to this land, it is not the "promised land" spoken of in the old testimet. And it goes much farther than that. It has been worldly agreed upon that this land shall be for them to have and the Palestinians are making such a big fuss about it while they have a much bigger portion of land to call there own. The only reason they want it, in my opinion, is because the Israelis transformed it into a glorious and prosperous area, while the Palestinians have done nothing to better there much larger portion of land and claim that the only reason the Israelites have done such a magnificent job is because THAT land is better than THEIR land!
What exactly are you correcting. You affirm they feel entitlement; I never said anything about the minority or religious Zionists who are in it for prophetic reasons. Also, by no means has it been worldly agreed upon. The Palestinians didn't agree, and they should have been those chief in consideration. If we must, I would gladly go into the brutalities imposed on the Palestinian people by the Israeli government as further justification that they are not more righteous. And the argument that they made the place "prosperous"? Israel is very rich and that wealth comes in large terms, from American aide and other foreign aide that Palestinians never saw. Not to mention that much of Israels advancements come from American and modern technological advances that exploded after world war 2, and consequently correlated with Israels independence. In other words, Israel had propitious advantages that Palestine did not. That's beside the point, because who does the better job at mowing the lawn is irrelevant to who "deserves" or has the historical right to a piece of land.
I affirm that they feel entitlement to certain land that they were NOT given. Should you study the old testimet you would realize that the Israelites settled with that land, but it was not the land they felt entitlement towards. I agree that the Palastinians were NOT given as much aide as the Israelis were, but nor did they request it. I'm sure that if the Palastinians were not so rash as to believe that the rest of the world was against them, the US, if no one else, would surely lend a hand to help them better their lives, just like we are doing in Iraq right now. But the Palastinians DIDN'T ask, instead they made rash decisions which led to nonstop violence between the two nations. And of course the Palastinians didn't agree upon the arangement, but if you date back to the records kept during the assignment of land in the middle east, you will find that the Israelis were offered several different plots of land throughout the middle east that the Palastinians didn't like either. But because the Israelis were promised land in the MIDDLE EAST, there was no escaping the fact that they were destined to make a society in the middle east.
Maybe they never should have attacked Israel to provoke them into taking the land in the first place... It was the Palestinians who threw the first stone in this case. For every action, there is a reaction. Unfortunately, the Palestinians went in thinking they'd take all of Israels land. That just didn't happen. Instead, they got land taken from them when they lost the war. Now, they are fighting tooth and nail and ignoring the fact that they caused the mess they are in today. Yes, there are many palestinians suffering. But there ar alot of Israeli's suffering too. Nobody wants to see their child die because bullets sprayed across the border. I feel for both groups when it comes to that. Sadly, the palestinian government isn't powerful enough to reign in the militias. And U.S. sanctions don't help. I blame the U.S. for that. But can you blame the Israeli's for respnding the way they did? When the U.S conquered Japan and Germany, the people didn't start a massive guerilla fight. They knew that it was their consequence. So why then are the palestinians trying to avoid theirs?
You are completely obvlious to the situation at hand. You are only taking into consideration the attacks that the arabs have done on Ireal. But why would the Arabs attack to begin with? The Palistinians have been living in the land for century's at peace. After the holocaust the Jews all decided to intrude this country with the help of Britian using several riots and terrorist acts. The Palestinians were rightfully protecting their land that was passed down by their ancestors. In modern day the Palestinians are minorities living in poverty while the Jews live in wealth on top of the ruins where they once lived. So now i ask you, who started the war in the first place?
201 days ago | Tagged As: Palestinians
Britain was pro-Arab. It did everything it could to help the Arabs, but because the Arabs had their turbans so far up their heads that they could not beat Israel went they out numbered them by the tens of millions. The Palestinians left because the other Arab countries said the Jews would eat them alive. The Arabs lied to the Palestinians. The Arabs started the war In 1948 when Israel declared independence. They attacked because they hate Jews and anyone else that has a different view.
196 days ago | Tagged As: Israeli Jews
People (israeli jews...) are soo shallow minded it annoys me. palestine was existent FIRST, then after WWII the Jews migrsted by the millions. Why they were not satisfied by living side to side with the Palestinians is beyond me, so that had to destroy villages,culture town and families to creat the O' so divine land of Israel on the dead bodies of hundreds of thousands of civilians who had nothing to do with the holocaust. Now, Gaza is the only place where refugee palestinains can live, o wait that got destroyed a coupe months ago, so i guess the west bank, o no theyre building settlements for jews there nevermind. The only option is to go to neighboring arab countries and try to liberate their land or in Israeli terms become Terrorists...
201 days ago | Tagged As: Palestinians
The Palestinians have never been able to govern themselves as long as they have been around. It is the Palestinians that cannot live with the Israelis. Your facts are completely wrong. The Palestinians were not forced off of their land by the Isrealis, they were forced off by the Arab armies that invaded Israel in 1948. The nation Israel was created by the United Nations. Jews have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham and Moses.
195 days ago | Tagged As: Israeli Jews
I don't believe that either side is completely right or wrong but I think it is important for anyone who has an opinion about this topic to watch this video
That is an excellent (and heart wrenching) documentary. Thanks for posting it.
Thanks. That shit pisses me off. "I don't know, maybe I die tomorrow... my daughter, my son... but I'm laughing, in front of them" How fucking horrible, that these people are forced to live like this and America parades around in Iraq as if we're doing something great for them, and then start picking on Iran... Why aren't we stepping in??? How long has this been going on like this? With the Israelis and Palestinians? I mean, if America's going to do anything, it's stop these fucking loons once and for all. I'm sure the children there aren't going to care if America rolls in and declares war on both of them, will they? I'm not religious, so to be quite frank, I could give a shit less about whatever they have been fighting over for so long. If it's just land, take it away from all of them. Shouldn't the UN agree? What would happen if the U.N. stepped in and said "Er, you people cannot play nice so I'll be seizing your toys for a few decades"... I don't know... I really don't know much about it, but that looks Fing ridiculous.
Seeing as the people now known as the Palestinians lived on that land before it was partitioned into Israel, it seems that asking who deserves more Israeli land is bias towards Israel. The Palestinians have been treated horribly by Israel on land that never belonged to Israel until after world war 2. In America at least you always hear how the Israelis are under attack yet just trying to defend their land. Israel has sectioned off areas that belonged to the Palestinians, it works to make a nation where ones ethnicity and religion determines ones rights and opportunities in life. Both sides have committed crimes and done bad things, but that doesn't represent all the citizens of each respective group. The US gov is overly bias towards Israel as are the corporations and media. In America we only hear about the atrocities that the Palestinians commit, never Israel. The Arabs have a right to be angry, their land was taken away and their people are mistrusted throughout the western world because of their religion and ethnicity. The Palestinian people are treated as second class citizens in their on their own land and grossly misrepresented in much of the western world. While I'm going to be extreme and say that the Palestinians deserve all their land back, that will never be accepted(by the US and Israel) and thus the Palestinians should get their own nation and half or so of the land that currently makes up the area of Israel and Palestine because it really was theirs to begin with.
For starters the question is slanted and being slanted is not a proper way to start a debate. The responses to the question are generally slanted, not the question itself. Maybe you should have asked it like this: "Who deserves more land in Israel/Palestine?" or "Who deserves more land Israelis or Palestinians?".
373 days ago | Tagged As: Palestinians
Nothing legitimizes a strategic land grab by world powers against a relatively defenseless state. The Palestinians are refusing to negotiate ON ISRAEL'S TERMS: Israel refuses to negotiate with Hamas, the democratically elected ruling body of Palestine. Israel is the second most militarily aggressive country on Earth, next to the United States. As for the suicide bombings? Israel has the most advanced army on Earth, what the hell else is Palestine supposed to do to fight back? They're the last resort of an oppressed people.
I think you are a little confused in your history. You see, the people that created the Palestinian state were, in fact, the Jews. Palestine has never been its own country, there is no period in history in which the lands now called "Palestine" were under local, or national rule. The land that Israel and Palestine now sit on has been under the control of a number of empires, the most recent being the British. The British, under the guidance of the U.N., granted Jews control over portions of Palestine and the Arabs were granted another portion. Unfortunately, the Palestinians didn't like this idea and, with the collusion of Israel's neighbors, attempted to invade and take over what Israel was given. Israel, in its defense, won, pushed back, and took back over the Palestinian territories. (By the way, the Palestinian territories were never going to be independent if the Arabs won; Jordan and Egypt planned to incorporate the territory into their countries). Israel, due to international pressure, internal political changes, and a desperate need to stop the frequent terrorist attacks on its civilians has had a policy of non-negotiation with terrorists and out-and-out war on them and their supporters while also working to give the Palestinians a nation. In other words, they started the conflict and Israel has actually been rather kind in its actions. The Palestinians have more of a state than they have ever had in their history. They continue to support terrorism, and it isn't their right to do so.
So therefore, even if i do have my history confused, Israelis still are not to blame for this epidemic between the two nations and should have ownership of more land if not all of Israel because of the British, not the Jews. So the Palestinians have their anger directed towards the wrong people. right? They should be mad at the British, not the Israelis!
That has nothing to do with whether Israel or the Palestinians deserve more land. All it does is highlight the fact that you don't really know what you're talking about. You didn't even know the history of the place!
The Palestinians have their anger directed at those who have been occupying them, and that hasn't been the British for over 60 years. It's not the British manning check points and building separation walls throughout the West Bank. Yes the British Government played a major part in causing the current situation, however they are not the major factor in it's perpetuation. The Israeli government has the power to try and make things right but unfortunately they choose not to.
372 days ago | Tagged As: Palestinians
Well its kinda sad when you think about it they took faMILIES OUT OF THIER home and left them to die for 9 years
352 days ago | Tagged As: Palestinians
the palastinians deserve the land more because they need to grow crops and have a place to live. the Israelis dont need as much land because there are more arabs than israelis andthe arabs need more homes to live in.
351 days ago | Tagged As: Palestinians
the palastinians deserve the land more because the land is to big for the israelis the arabs are to big for the land they own in isreal even though the arabs have egypt and other surrounding countries the arabs are still to big for this land they own they need more land in isreal for the arabs who have no home
351 days ago | Tagged As: Palestinians
i think the land of isreal should be split evenly between the arabs and the jews they should get it evenly because the arabs and jews have about the same amount of people but i also think the arabs should have a little more land so that the arabs can have more houses for their big population
351 days ago | Tagged As: Palestinians
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