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It belongs to the person it was named after and all who believe in the Christ Child...Jesus Christ. It is His birthday that is celebrated. Now if you don't like that or cannot accept it, then find yourself another holiday during the season you can latch on to. Christmas IS Christ-Time
It's nothing new she's always like that. Every now and then she will just go crazy on somebody.(usually me, watch you'll see)You are now going to get a bunch of negative responses from her now.
I never said he didn't Wolf....Here's what I know, and I think you know me well enough now to know I'm not nuts or too old or anything else I get accused of here...I write mine, which is exactly what he said in different words, and I get voted down in two seconds. There are people gunning for me here and they include those you know. I'm not angry with Warlin for this, I'm angry at something he said on another debate. I'll have to locate it to give the exact wording. It was unfair of him since he hadn't as yet been on the JAKEJ, ANDREWJ, SLASHINATORX, CERIN, EJEDWARDS AND CLASSOF011 DEBACLE.
From Warlin, 3 days ago THE SEGREGATION DEBATE: "Sheesh, someone's angry. Look, as much as I hate the idea of being insulted or feeling like my race is oppressed, when someone bitches about absolutely every single thing I say and I have to watch my words like I clean my teeth something is wrong. Now, I'm not saying off I pop off the n word or any of those things. I don't. Not me personally, but I can't even get away with "You people." See, I'm not directing at a race but since I'm white, no matter what I say, it's automatically racist. People just need to get off each others backs." "Christ, lay off Kuklapolitan. You're no better than the thing you're condemning."
It belongs to both. And to pagans, who started many of the traditions with their winter soltice, and to everyone who celebrates it. Christmas means different things to different people. Oh and, unfortunately, it also belongs to walmart. X_X
No one, because there's no legal rights to days of the year.
I think though, even though the timing of the holiday, and the way it is celebrated are almost exclusively pagan, Christians have laid claim to it almost completely.
Kind of like planting your flag on the moon, it's there, but who gives a sh-t.
I'm with you. This is not the type of thing you can relate possession to. I'm not going into the philosophy of possession here though. That's a much different debate.
The mass of christ is an invention of the Roman Catholic church to proselytize pagans whose rituals coincided with the winter solstice. Hence, that is why the mass of christ is at or near the winter solstice.
That is an historical fact of the origin of christmas.
The term "christmas" doesn't exist in the Bible. And prior to approx. 300 a.d. the mass of christ was unheard of, let alone an idea within the clergy of Rome.
Key note: Any form of worship that the scriptures don't authorize is idolatry.
Unlearned questions like the one of this debate deserve the respect that is due ignorance.
222 days ago | Tagged As: The catholic church owns christmas
you absolutely correct about the whole winter solstice thing, but i highly doubt that jesus would look down and say " hey! they're giving gifts to eachother and worhiping me! stop it!"
Bro, Jesus doesn't want people worshiping him at all. You don't get it. He was the humble guy who lived his life doing all he could for other people. You know, even if he wasn't the son of god he died a pretty gruesome death to prove a point about human bitterness and how people with powerful egos can make the innocent suffer.
I think what he would want is for people to just get along you know, and not be dicks to each other. I think on his birthday people should just have a hug fest and then confess a bunch of stuff. Then we can have present fest on New Years.
