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Who gives more to Charity?

I remember someone posted something like this a year or so ago, something about a study that showed that Christians gave more in charity than Atheists.  Well, I found something in Wikipedia that corroborates that, but goes a little further.  Apparently Jews give more than Christians and, get this, Muslims give more than even Jews.  Aint that a hoot!  :)

Here is the quote from Wikipedia:

In the United Kingdom, Muslims today give more to charity than people of other religions, according to a British poll.[3] There, Muslims, on average, gave $567, compared to $412 for Jews, $308 for Protestants, $272 for Catholics and $177 for atheists.[3] Today, conservative estimates of annual zakat is estimated to be 15 times global humanitarian aid contributions.[4]

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakat

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I think christians probably give a lot more charity, because us atheists aren't organized like them. We don't really feel a need to donate in the name of atheism to any cause, we donate in the name of the cause we donate. So, yes proportionally it wouldn't surprise me to find that christians donate more in the name of their own religion than atheists donate in the name of atheism.

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They count donating to church as charity. That's not really charity, so it shouldn't count.

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You mean the 'Give me some money so that I can stick some of that cash into my pocket, put a small percentage towards the "Church of Bullshit" and then continue to ask you for money every Sunday after I pretend like I know what I'm talking about' Charity?

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Oh, well when you put it that way it doesn't sound so bad, hehe.

Remember don't ask no questions. Like "why come the pastor have to have a big house?" or "why come the pastor have to have a fancy car?"

Most churches and parishes host soup kitchens, food banks and sharing/giving trees that operate in a similar fashion to Toys For Tots. I'm not exactly a fan of organized religion, but to suggest that they don't do charitable work is false.

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What percent of the money goes to soup kitchens? What percent of the money goes to fancy cars for the church leaders?

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Well... that is in the UK, not in general. I wonder what charities they're giving to?

The Muslims are probably donating to the Charity for Muslims who had to go through lengthy security searches in airports. Jews are probably donating to their banks... and Christians are probably donating to the charity of the Everyone needs to accept Jesus into their hearts right now... or I'm going to cry Foundation.

Atheists just throw their spare change into whichever donation box is sitting by the cash register.

Yesh, that sounds perfectly legit .

This is a really dumb question considering that the number of Christians is far beyond the number of Atheist.

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You guys are missing the point entirely, but I guess I wasn't completely clear either. The real point I'm trying to make is that Muslims give more to charity than anyone else. I think that's an important point to keep in perspective when reading all the negative news about Muslims.

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Well could you explain to me what the title has to do with that?

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Sorry. I think I was trying to be indirect or something. Clearly it wasn't an effective strategy. I changed the title to be a little more clear.

zephyr20x6(2387) Clarified
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It wasn't an intruiging point to me, because my disposition towards muslims isn't all that different towards any religion. Yeah sure they're is quite an extreme in the country dominated by muslims maybe more than christians, but in the end it's all the same, individuals religious beliefs differentiate with religions. I don't watch about all the negativity about muslims, it's also important to remember that religions and the nations those religions are dominant in are highly connected, and the tension between american and the countries muslim religion dominates probably contributes to the tension between christians and muslims.

GuitarGuy(6096) Clarified
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That's just in the UK though, right?

LeRoyJames(372) Clarified
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This particular data comes just from the UK, but I see no reason why it would be different elsewhere. However, if someone has this data on a more global scale, it would be interesting to see.

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Christians give more "per-capita" than atheists, so the "there are more Christians objection fails."

Further, the organization objection fails too, since the study referenced also finds that Christians give more volunteer time and money even when not including church donations.

The question about Jews and Muslims is an apples and oranges fallacy. The numbers compared are per capita, but compare Christian secular giving to Muslim and Jewish total giving. When you compare these in the same manner, at least in relation to America, Christians are still the most giving group.

zephyr20x6(2387) Clarified
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What about donations, where those aren't question of their spiritual stance? when I come across charities in gas stations or stores, I always donate a dollar if I am financially stable. It never asks me whether I am christian, atheist, spiritualist, etc.

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I don't think their tracking donations directly, they're doing a poll and asking people how much they donate and what their religion is. Therefore, assuming people are honest, the poll is really recording how much people think they donate, not how much they really donate.

LeRoyJames(372) Clarified
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but compare Christian secular giving to Muslim and Jewish total giving

Do you have a reference to back this up? I didn't see this explained in the article I referenced, so I'm wondering if you're pulling that info from another reference.

ColumCille(9) Clarified
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First let me point out that this survey only discusses the UK, where trends are very, very different than in the US.

Second, if you go to the Wiki article and click on its sources, it will take you to the article on the poll. A bit more digging will get you to the actual survey found on ICM's website, http://www.icmresearch.com/.

The survey respondents were asked about how much charitable giving they gave that was not included in buying from a charity store or that was part of a charitable event such as a Church food drive or call for donations.

This artificially skews the response towards those who are giving outside of a Church or Synagogue type organization where charity is often partnership and event based, rather than organization based as was found in the polling on zakat.

Does it matter who gives more? As long as people in need are being helped.

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They often lie, statistic where data re taken from Imam are always off, also Muslims thinking of charity is very different from modern definition of charity. They buy cars and weapons for Syrians, tickets for suiciders willing to go from UK to Syria, building mosques, finance Modesty/Sharia courts, stuff like that.

I live in Liverpool and I often see local charities, christian weirdos giving food and clothes to homeless, they are everywhere but I have never seen a single one with the little paper condom on the head giving anything to anyone.

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You can't really say - the amount of charitable acts can't possibly all be documented. Probably about half of all charity goes undocumented. I wanted to give an exact estimate - but couldn't find any reputable data supporting it. Even if there were, how could even calculate that? You would have to knock on every door in the entire world, and survey them to figure out it out. Even then, they won't remember it all - because it isn't documented. A few dollars here, and there - adds up. The amount that Red cross makes from their Christmas donations is in the millions. You know, the little red buckets, with the ladies and men dangling the bells around in front of shops and supermarkets. None of which is ever documented - yet alone, keeping up with what denomination the donator is. And that is only one example, think of all the jars and buckets you've dropped some spare change in to help someone in need. So I honestly don't care - as long as they're donating for worthy causes, I say you all win! Everyone have a heart, it's not a competition.