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Debate Score:80
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Who is doing more damage to the United States (or most Western) political systems?

"damage" including the attack on civil rights, quality of life, freedoms, etc..

all is fair game, whether they be alt-right, antifa or otherwise

"left" aka democrats, libs

Side Score: 52
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"right" aka republicans, cons

Side Score: 28
3 points

Leftist brainwashing, oppression and censorship of students (and professors) on most major college campuses, by the faculty and administration.

Side: "left" aka democrats, libs
3 points

Leftist controlled social media censoring free speech:

Twitter, Facebook, Google, Youtube

Side: "left" aka democrats, libs
2 points

Liberals have admitted they want to transform America... NUFF SAID!

America was the land of the free before arrogant Liberal Political correct control fanatics started forcing their ideology on all Americans.

Can you imagine doing all the work, taking all the risks, spending all your money to open your own private business, and along comes the Big Brother Left with their activist Judges telling you that you must cater events that go against your faith and conscience.

That's no longer America, it's a dictatorship.

Can you imagine paying taxes to your local public school, and along comes Big Brother Left telling you that you must allow so called Transgenders boys into your daughter's bathrooms.

Can you imagine being a viable baby in the womb being denied your inalienable right's to life?

The Democrat (Socialist) Party has become enemies of the America that once was.

Side: "left" aka democrats, libs
2 points

Left-Created Cable-TV Media bias:

CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, etc..

Side: "left" aka democrats, libs
DTFBD(18) Banned
2 points

This side, and...............................................................................................

Side: "left" aka democrats, libs
1 point

The answer choices are inadequate.

There are people on both the left and the right who are doing severe damage to any political system based on classical liberalism as expressed in republican (NOT the political party) governmental systems.

The people are doing this damage subvert personal accountability by trying to protect people from the adverse consequences of our own choices. It is safety at the cost of liberty. In addition to making us lazier and more careless, it infantilizes whole populations, thus reducing our personal accomplishes and the scopes of our lives.

This happens through government run social welfare programs like social security/government pensions, socialized medicine, and government assisted housing. It happens through government bailouts and subsidies of industries and companies. It happens through laws, like drug laws, that set limits on what we can do with our own bodies, thereby implicitly asserting that we do not actually own our own meat.

This has changed governmental systems that were originally designed to protect liberty into systems by which portions of the populace force their personal beliefs and preferences down the throats of EVERYBODY.

Side: "left" aka democrats, libs
Hootie(922) Disputed
1 point

There are people on both the left and the right who are doing severe damage to any political system based on classical liberalism as expressed in republican (NOT the political party) governmental systems.

Marcus, your assertion seems to be grounded in the false idea that the liberal capitalism championed by the Democrats is on the left. The elephant in the room is that the actual left was killed off in America during the early stages of the Cold War, as McCarthyism began to take a grip and anybody favouring left wing ideas had their careers destroyed by power. The political centre in America has shifted so far right that both of these parties now occupy almost the same ground on the spectrum. The parameters of choice and language are controlled by power to prevent changes to American society which would be beneficial to the majority. In short, the country is fucked. It's doomed. It is only a matter of time.

Side: "right" aka republicans, cons
outlaw60(14928) Disputed
1 point

NOM explain how the government is going to control your environment !!!!!

Side: "left" aka democrats, libs
Agent6(13) Disputed
1 point

The political centre in America has shifted so far right that both of these parties now occupy almost the same ground on the spectrum.

You just proved you know absolutely nothing about American politics.

Side: "left" aka democrats, libs
xMathFanx(1755) Disputed
0 points

@Hootie

The political centre in America has shifted so far right that both of these parties now occupy almost the same ground on the spectrum.

Nom, the entire country has objectively shifted to the left in extreme fashion over the last 70 years (since the end of WWII). Just look at a High School today compared to 1950--the evidence is overwhelming, staring right at you.

Side: "left" aka democrats, libs
iPhi(240) Clarified
1 point

The answer choices are inadequate.

sorry this site only allows two choices...

are there other parties that factor into this debate..?

There are people on both the left and the right who are doing severe damage to any political system

indeed, but the question is which is doing more? unless you think they are equally destructive?? then post on both sides :)

Side: "left" aka democrats, libs
marcusmoon(580) Clarified
1 point

sorry this site only allows two choices...are there other parties that factor into this debate..?

The inadequacy is not due to the number of choices. It is due to the fact that the biggest cultural problems do not fit into a left vs. right dichotomy.

Side: "left" aka democrats, libs
DTFBD(18) Banned
1 point

Right? That is what I am tring to say.......................................................

Side: "left" aka democrats, libs

I agree with most everything you said, other than the comment about drugs, but I don't accept your suggestion that both the Left and Right are equally to blame.

Other than your comment concerning drugs, the vast majority of Government social bailout programs stems from the Left. The Left uses social programs as tools to buy votes. They constantly pit the poor against what they describe as the uncaring Right.

Don't be afraid of putting the majority of the blame where it belongs.

As far as your drug comment goes, certain things in life are very dangerous and damaging to a society, costing tax payers billions in rehabilitation, broken families, lost jobs, health related issues, etc. etc.

Were it not for the fact that drug addicts end up destroying their lives, their family's lives, etc. and then running down to be supported by tax payers, I might agree with some of your point.

I believe in live and let live as long a person's irresponsible behavior does not put a burden on tax payers, or a danger to others. The problem stops being a personal choice when it starts affecting the children of drug addicts, whereby Government programs must now support the child.

We can not turn away children in need, and for the children's sake must regulate certain behavior such as hard drug use.

You would agree that abuse to children should be against the law correct? Drug abuse usually ends up hurting the children and there in lies the difference.

Side: "left" aka democrats, libs
marcusmoon(580) Clarified
1 point

Hi, FW.

The problems I am concerned with are not merely on the left or the right, but are also pervasive in the middle and among completely apolitical people.

Consider some of your assumptions.

As far as your drug comment goes, certain things in life are very dangerous and damaging to a society, costing tax payers billions in rehabilitation, broken families, lost jobs, health related issues, etc. etc.

You, who are on the RIGHT, already assume that rehabilitation, broken families, health, etc. are in the purview of government.

That is the sort of assumption I am talking about as damaging to everybody's liberty.

Don't be afraid of putting the majority of the blame where it belongs.

My point is that the blame belongs with ENTIRE SOCIETIES, whose majorities are neither left nor right, that have embraced and assumed that government is supposed to solve problems, as opposed to set up BASIC systems such as infrastructure and courts, and let people deal with our own lives and solve our own problems without governmental support, intervention, meddling, or control.

Side: "left" aka democrats, libs
1 point

Without a doubt it's the Republicans. They are the guys denying climate change and evolution.

Side: "right" aka republicans, cons
iPhi(240) Clarified
3 points

can you explain how their denial damages your political system, quality of life, rights/freedoms, etc...?

Side: "left" aka democrats, libs
outlaw60(14928) Disputed
2 points

NOM there are not 4 seasons in your world ??????? I think government should change that and put the UN in charge of changing the seasons !!!!

Side: "left" aka democrats, libs
outlaw60(14928) Disputed
1 point

NOM evolved from it's Ape Parents okay got that LMMFAO !!!!!!! Now NOM how is it a government controls the environment ?

Side: "left" aka democrats, libs
outlaw60(14928) Disputed
1 point

Dummy how long have you clueless Demorats been fighting a false battle ? Stupid there should be some green vegetation in the UK ! You breathing ???????????????

Side: "left" aka democrats, libs
Hootie(922) Disputed
2 points

Dummy how long have you clueless Demorats been fighting a false battle ? Stupid there should be some green vegetation in the UK ! You breathing ???????????????

STUPOR STUPID tell us about the grand wizardry of your mentor DAVID DUKE, from that brotherhood of which you dedicate yourself and pledge allegiance to!

ROFLMAO.

Side: "right" aka republicans, cons
1 point

Right-Created Cable-TV Media bias:

Fox News

i'm not sure it's fair to call them biased, but i'm trying to make this look like a fair fight...

Side: "right" aka republicans, cons
DTFBD(18) Banned
1 point

This side. Both parties choose to make asses out of themselves.

Side: "right" aka republicans, cons
iPhi(240) Disputed
1 point

we should ban them, and anyone else who disagrees with us, lulz

Side: "left" aka democrats, libs
1 point

Both. Simply put, neither party is innocent of what they accuse the other of. People are voting not for ideas or values of the candidate but what that candidates political affiliation is and both parties are flinging so much mud at each other that they are all blind.

Side: "right" aka republicans, cons